Unerring Strike....Erring?

[Murtanion]

My fellow Wardens!

I was in the moors the other day, had a 1v1 with a blackarrow. Out of the nature of the class this particular fellow popped his Moving Target skill which ups their evade to an enormous amount. Seeing it up I decided to try and get Unerring strike on him even though the upfront damage is not too hot I figured it was better than having him evade everything I threw at him.

I used the skill a total of 3 times while Moving Target was up, all of them were evaded. The skill description from the Lorebook says A Mighty Blow that is very difficult to Block, Parry, or Evade and until this point I have never had issues with it landing. Is this WAI in harmony with MT or does the skill get b/p/e'd occasionally?

The skill description is rather vague and I was curious if I should continue trying to use it on BA's with MT up or rather just LoS them.

Thoughts?

[geoboy]

I wouldn't waste my power. If you're shield traited, you could just keep yourself up and ready for buff to expire.

What about skills like Desolation, would this be affected by resists or by b/p/e I wonder. Maybe we've found a reason to use Impressive flourish!

[shdowhunt60]

Champ's also have this problem with Clobber and Remorseless Strikes. There's something in the code that's not adding up, like Champ's B/P/E in fervour, without a shield.

[Murtanion]

I wouldn't waste my power. If you're shield traited, you could just keep yourself up and ready for buff to expire.

What about skills like Desolation, would this be affected by resists or by b/p/e I wonder. Maybe we've found a reason to use Impressive flourish!

I hate shield traiting. Such a waste of power, takes too long to kill someone, generally viewed on my server is the cheap way to win a fight. I trait full Spear + Cap.

The problem I found with Desolation is that if it does not get resisted it can be potted out of, immunity lasts 1 min so no use reapplying it.

Just trying to find a way to keep my damage up while MT is active, thought U.S. might be bugged.

[Sarcasmo]

Is Unerring Strike completely silent, or is it just me? (just picked the skill up a few days ago)

[geoboy]

Is Unerring Strike completely silent, or is it just me? (just picked the skill up a few days ago)

Yes, fix coming in patch. Love the animation though .. SPLAT!

[Feraxks]

thought U.S. might be bugged.

Of course its bugged -- NSA is listening to everything you say and everything you type!

muhahahahaha

[aran123]

I hate shield traiting. Such a waste of power, takes too long to kill someone, generally viewed on my server is the cheap way to win a fight. I trait full Spear + Cap.

The problem I found with Desolation is that if it does not get resisted it can be potted out of, immunity lasts 1 min so no use reapplying it.

Just trying to find a way to keep my damage up while MT is active, thought U.S. might be bugged.

Spear traited warden ftw!!! I play spear traitline too because of the above reasons and because it is far more challenging than shield. Thanks for the info about desolation being pottable, i didn't know that. However, i anticipate that few, if any at all, will bother to pot it mostly. For a BA using MT, just go ahead and use desolation and your warden's taunt (spam it). It still doesn't hurt to try an unerring strike because it has a waaay more better chance of landing than the other melee skills (it's difficult to BPE but not impossible).

Also in case you didn't know, ambush bypasses MT so if opportunity presents itself, you can use it (for example on a slowed BA that is simply running and not even bothering to hinder or fight...get outta combat, assuming you have 2sec ambush induction, and ambush him and get some dps in while he is unable to BPE while knocked down...but this is a rare case).

[vodspeedkills]

While MT is up all of your fist skills should hit as they are tactical and cannot be evaded. I try to use SoD and Desolation at this point then heal myself while they are still ticking. This is kind of like an RK vs. MT.

All this information could be out dated it has been awhile since I've fought a BA in a 1v1 scenario.

[geoboy]

Ok, here's where things get murky. I was under the impression that Desolation and SoD were in fact classed as a melee attack, in that they are affected by melee crit,, etc.

[Murtanion]

While MT is up all of your fist skills should hit as they are tactical and cannot be evaded. I try to use SoD and Desolation at this point then heal myself while they are still ticking. This is kind of like an RK vs. MT.

All this information could be out dated it has been awhile since I've fought a BA in a 1v1 scenario.

Yeah, most black arrows won't even touch a 1v1 anymore, they all rolled wargs and spiders at the moment. It seems to me that Desolation should be a tactical skill because you shout in a conical area towards your target and there is no actual melee attack outside of manually building it.

At this point I think my best option may be to just keep my defensive buffs and conviction running during MT. I am going to talk to a kinmate and see if he will agree to letting me test Unerring Strike on his BA, if he agrees I will be sure to toss in desolation a few times to confirm suspicions.

[sunaris]

I hate shield traiting. Such a waste of power, takes too long to kill someone, generally viewed on my server is the cheap way to win a fight.

LOLWAT? i like spear line too, but shield traiting isn't cheap by any means.

[Murtanion]

LOLWAT? i like spear line too, but shield traiting isn't cheap by any means.

Eh, creeps get mad because you never die when you trait shield. When I trait spear I feel like I actually have to actively think about what I am doing, act and react, and try and pull out a win. Healing is monotonous, and boring. Judging by your rank I would imagine I have quite a bit more experience fighting 1v1 shield traited.

[Graalx2]

Unerring Strike says that it is difficult to Block, Parry or Evade, not that it is impossible. It has sufficient penalties that it will mostly not be B/P/E'd but that doesn't stop some short term buffs from making it miss.

[Feybobiam]

I have never, ever had Relentless/Remorseless Strike be parried or blocked. Ever, since I started playing this game at launch. Similarly, Clobber has never been parried or blocked for me since the change.

I have had both miss and be evaded, though. Never had RS miss against on-level targets or lower. Clobber, to my knowledge, doesn't operate in that manner regarding misses, however.

[sunaris]

Eh, creeps get mad because you never die when you trait shield. When I trait spear I feel like I actually have to actively think about what I am doing, act and react, and try and pull out a win. Healing is monotonous, and boring. Judging by your rank I would imagine I have quite a bit more experience fighting 1v1 shield traited.

or you zerg surf more, which i'm betting is the case. I do have a low rank on this toon, but i've been in 1v1's plenty from multiple toons and sides. Traiting to survive isn't cheap, more boring, maybe. Playing a class down one of it's intended paths isn't cheap, just a different path. To be honest, there really isn't any point to the moor's as it's a sidegame, so i guess it really doesn't matter at this point.

[Murtanion]

Another issue I came across when fighting a weaver last night. Weavers have a debuff that adds -10m to all ranged skills. Since Warden's Taunt is only a 10m range if you get this on you then you cannot effectively build gambits without using masteries. I was trying to resolution the hatchlings standing next to me and couldn't get off Wardens taunt because of the range debuff.


Is this WAI?

[geoboy]

Another issue I came across when fighting a weaver last night. Weavers have a debuff that adds -10m to all ranged skills. Since Warden's Taunt is only a 10m range if you get this on you then you cannot effectively build gambits without using masteries. I was trying to resolution the hatchlings standing next to me and couldn't get off Wardens taunt because of the range debuff.


Is this WAI?

GAH!!!!!

That explains a lot! Here i am trying to fight a weaver, got brand on and everything, got him down to 1.5k and what? Can't add a fist icon. Meanwhile my morale drops 2k and suddenly I find myself dying.

I postulate a theory - if warden's taunt is classed as a tactical skill, it would be affected by this, right? Can we convert this to a melee skill if it isn't already?

[LtDiablo]

But that's only supposed to debuff ranged skills, and by ranged skills I would think of it being skills labeled ranged, not tactical.

[geoboy]

But that's only supposed to debuff ranged skills, and by ranged skills I would think of it being skills labeled ranged, not tactical.

I think perhaps it would include rk/mini skills. How many melee range tactical skills are there?

http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Skill:Venomous_Haze

[shdowhunt60]

Warden's Taunt isn't tactical, it's a melee skill... or at least I thought.

[geoboy]

Warden's Taunt isn't tactical, it's a melee skill... or at least I thought.

Ok, there goes that theory. Is having skills with a 0m radius WAI? This seems downright wrong.

[Murtanion]

But that's only supposed to debuff ranged skills, and by ranged skills I would think of it being skills labeled ranged, not tactical.

Exactly my point. I always thought that Warden Taunt was Tactical and as such the -range debuff would only affect jav skills, but it also affects wardens taunt. That is why I want to know if this is WAI


Dev confirmation? I would gladly donate all my cookys to Graal for a response.

[geoboy]

I created a new thread in the Freep Section:

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=328819

Hoping to get a response.

[Graalx2]

No the Spider debuff lowering Warden's Taunt (and Impressive Flourish) is not working as intended. These minimal range skills should not be affected by the range debuff.