@ Aristedes and company

[Ravyrn]

You make it sound like we have a ton of melee classes sitting on hold while we use other classes. I've sat there spamming for champs and even captains to no avail. On creep side I can switch between warg, defiler, and warleader without any loss in effectiveness.

When you can rez 30 people on one side vs. 4 on the other then there isn't really a strategic method to counter besides: get more numbers (or insist on target forwarding but that was assumed). I'm not saying creeps shouldn't use the warleaders, I'm just saying that it isn't purely a matter of "tactics."

Based upon what Ikarr said and your response to what Ikarr said, it would seem you didn't read what Ikarr said.

alomst no melee classes.

alomst = almost

[Adrastea]

Based upon what Ikarr said and your response to what Ikarr said, it would seem you didn't read what Ikarr said.

This is what I was focusing on: "stop using the creeps tactics as the reason y they are kicking your _____. look at the tactics we employ for a change. gold tagging healers and dps classes. alomst no melee classes"

Point was merely that our raid make-up is not based on tactics but on what is around.

[Hsahsirg]

I have access to 8-9 accounts plus my own 2 so I might try 10-11 boxing if I can find a way to run it.anyone want to give me another account so I can run 2 full groups would be nice if I could solo DN/watcher/BG while I'm at it.

How much would it cost to be able to run that with a single computer? killerr has a $1m computer doesn't seem to help him run enough accounts to get r12 though.

[Tosic07]

It's been 3+ years that this game has been out, freeps have more than one toon andvtgey too can switch classes to help their raid. Get over it already. The one, the only problem is that freeps QQ about op creeps and refuse to fight. How do you ever expect to win when you dont try and the first thing you do is turn your back and run. Anything and everything is op then, freeps just need to grow a pair.

[Tuin]

This is what I was focusing on: "stop using the creeps tactics as the reason y they are kicking your _____. look at the tactics we employ for a change. gold tagging healers and dps classes. alomst no melee classes"

Point was merely that our raid make-up is not based on tactics but on what is around.

I think freep problems are more than just raid make-up, maybe only 10-20% of the freeps use posion/wound pots and stun/root pots, any even fewer use food and tokens. Just because it's a moors raid doesn't mean it shouldn't be treated as any other raid.

[Frelorn]

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