What's with this attitude?

[Beorthnoth]

There are also easy ways of finding out who the rude persons kin leader is. They may want to know that one of their own is treating people in such an unlotro like fashion.

Unless, of course, he was the kin leader .

[Rawkan]

A lot of inspiring posts in here, thanks for that guys. It helps to be reminded that most people aren't like this guy.
It's just sad that they act like this.

[Maximilan]

If I was the OP I would have been a bit shocked by the response, but it is almost comical that someone would insult you because you didn't join their kin! Most likely I would have laughed it off and maybe send a smartass reply back. It's one thing to criticize it's another to be an arsehole.

Seriously, people who make such stupid insults or mockery are likely to have personality disorders such as severe insecurity. For many of these type of people LoTRO is probably their only social activity, which in itself is sad. I have to believe many of these are younger players and don't have the social skills necessary to interact with others in a mature way.

Remember - 'Don't argue with a fool, it's hard to tell the difference'

[Celestrata]

Community guidelines say that you can't call out a player for in-game actions, but I think letting us know what kin it was would be a good service, especially to those of us on BW who are doing a little bit of kin shopping. If you're not comfortable posting it, would you send me a private message, Rawkan?

Honestly, that's a rule I wouldn't try to skirt around. I get that you want to shame a group for their in-game actions, but the forums are not the place to do that.

Additionally, one bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch. No need to paint an entire group a certain way due to one person's actions.

[The_Bruce]

I wonder what race this hunter was, it sounds as if he had the wrong part of his anatomy on top of his shoulders

[Thorgrum]

I'd like to stand up to the trolls but I'm afraid. I don't want to stick my solo neck out and take full damage.

I'll defend you, Im not bothered by what people think what so ever. I understand for some its not so easy, you just come to the forums if someone gives you &&&&, I and several others will protect you.

Edit: as long as you stay within the rules.

[story21]

I was so happy and so grateful that I posted in glff that this hunter guy had been a huge help to me. I wanted to give him big praise for being a big help to me. I thought I was doing a "good thing."

And was immediately mocked for it. Why would I need help doing such easy quests?

So I replied that I'm not the best warden in the game so the help was a big deal to me.

And was mocked some more for that with "Well at least you're honest and I don't have to waste my time dragging the truth out of you."

The mistake you made was in responding in any way to these idiots. Next time just ignore what they post since you aren’t going to be able to have an intelligent conversation with them.

I had an interesting interaction with someone wanting me to join their kin. I was standing by a mailbox finishing up a few mail orders when a Guardian rode up on his horse and asked me if I wanted to join his kin. I politely replied no and watched as he dismounted and pause a second. Then he walked over to my hunter and slapped him. Then he turned, paused again for effect and walked away. I found it hilarious and sat there laughing.

[happycamper9]

So, I'm in Galtrev just minding my own buiness when some hunter comes over to me and asks if I want to join a kin.
I say I'm not sure and that I usually prefer solo play. Then a couple of minutes later I get the response: "Oh, yes I can see by your bad gear that you're a solo player, you're really a waste of time for everybody".

This ruined my mood completely. I mean, come on? There's lot of solo players out there, does everyone need raid armour to even get a tiny amount of respect?

I've got the best set of crafted armour and I'm a tinker so I craft some decent jewellery for my self, and I'm already chopping through enemies with ease.

I hope I was just unlucky with the one guy I met and that not everyone has this mentality at 75.

Im going to go ahead and say it...

I dont believe you. I dont believe your story. You may have had some kind of interaction with someone but I just do not believe events happened like you said they have.

[manstan]

"Is he so miserable that I can't be happy either?"

"once everyone is super, no one will be super".

There are sad pathetic people out there that feel compelled to pass it on. If they can't be happy they want everyone to be just as miserable. Lincoln said "People are about as happy as they make up their minds to be". I'll add to that "or as miserable".


Edit to add
"I dont believe you. I dont believe your story. You may have had some kind of interaction with someone but I just do not believe events happened like you said they have." happycamper9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA06Z5e1ZFc

[Haunt123]

Im going to go ahead and say it...

I dont believe you. I dont believe your story. You may have had some kind of interaction with someone but I just do not believe events happened like you said they have.

I'm going to go ahead and say it...

lawl. After seeing all the responses in this thread from "Oh it's okay" to "Not all of us are like this", this was completely out of the blue. I just read "I don't believe you" and started laughing.

[Frisco]

Honestly, that's a rule I wouldn't try to skirt around. I get that you want to shame a group for their in-game actions, but the forums are not the place to do that.

Additionally, one bad apple doesn't ruin the whole bunch. No need to paint an entire group a certain way due to one person's actions.

I didn't exactly see it as "skirting" anything. The guidelines say not to call out a player. Can I still ask for a private message?

Also, it's worth pointing out that the saying is "One bad apple spoils the bunch" for a reason. Ripening fruit gives off a gaseous hormone called ethylene, which speeds the ripening of surrounding fruit, causing it to ripen, and then rot, faster.

One bad officer could spoil an entire kinship if they're allowed to hang around. You're judged by the company you keep.

[Boraxxe]

"Oh, yes I can see by your bad gear that you're a solo player, you're really a waste of time for everybody".

As I walked out in the streets of Bywater
As I walked out in Bywater one day
I spied a young Bounder all wrapped in white linen
All wrapped in white linen as cold as the clay.

I see by your feathercap that you are a Bounder.
I see your fine feathercap all shiny and new.
We see by our feathercaps that we are both Bounders.
If you get a feathercap, you can be a Bounder too.


/nod to Dick and Tommy Smothers

[RamiroS]

So, I'm in Galtrev just minding my own buiness when some hunter comes over to me and asks if I want to join a kin.
I say I'm not sure and that I usually prefer solo play. Then a couple of minutes later I get the response: "Oh, yes I can see by your bad gear that you're a solo player, you're really a waste of time for everybody".

This ruined my mood completely. I mean, come on? There's lot of solo players out there, does everyone need raid armour to even get a tiny amount of respect?

I've got the best set of crafted armour and I'm a tinker so I craft some decent jewellery for my self, and I'm already chopping through enemies with ease.

I hope I was just unlucky with the one guy I met and that not everyone has this mentality at 75.

Just for the fun: the other day I was in Galtrev too and this players approaches with a biker/black leather like cosmetic appearance. He sends a tell asking me to spar with no weapons, just fist fight. I thought it was weird but interesting, but I was leveling my toon, I politely said no. In exchange I received a slap emote. I send a tell telling "Do I know you?" and he replied something like "I'm your father (you now must say "Noooooo")" I replied something I can't exactly remember now and didn't got a reply back... but that is just to tell how weird things can go. Just relax and go on. There are a lot of players out there whos life may suck in RL enough to try to be a "better" character inside a game... or whatever else the case may be.

[SabrielofLorien]

If you are standing in Galtreve, you made it there. Your armour is just fine as are your weapons and traits and all the other stuff. That you are able to be there proves there are more ways to Mordor than others will have you think.

While it maybe true that somethings would need upgrading, changing or enhancing to play a few parts of the game, for the most part those items are not needed.

Some folks like to say I do XXX% DPS on the training dummys, or I do XXX HOTS on my mini but the real proof is if you are standing up at the end of the fight. Using your wits is a lot more fun than just being a Duke Nukem.

Same holds for any level. If you have a L10, L20, L40 etc. It's all in how you play and have fun.

btw 1: There have been loads of times where dieing was part of the strategy. Sprint as far as you can and get a revive or for my LM and Eagle rez. There was this one keep in Mirkwood. Loads of baddies all over, way to many for my squishy LM. I pulled out my eagle. I moved my toon above the keep so I could look down at the layout. Then I jumped from above down into the keep. I aggroed everything and ran to the spot I'd picked to die. Waited for the Eagle Rez and the mobs to reset. Took the rez, went up the stairs and killed my target. I did map out though. LOL

btw 2: It seems that on Nimrodel lately there are quite a few spoil-sports about. /ignore is working wonders for me.

btw 3: Another story about dieing on purpose. It used to be that if you got locks to Barad Guldur and all you needed was the Lieutenant (which I have never gotten) and you had a tough enought mini or two or a cappy that could last long enough for the incombat rez, you would just sprint all the way to the Lt arena. The mini come up behind everyone. Everyone would die and the mini would flop. Then when everything reset - it was rez away and just plink on the Lt.

[manstan]

Being a fan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSzfWLlvlAE

[happycamper9]

I'm going to go ahead and say it...

lawl. After seeing all the responses in this thread from "Oh it's okay" to "Not all of us are like this", this was completely out of the blue. I just read "I don't believe you" and started laughing.

It just doesnt add up.

The story seems, "fishy" and the interaction seems strange. Going from "guild recruitment" to "solo hating drivel"?

I think there is much more to this "Story"

There is either interaction and dialogue being left out by the OP and or the other party.

I just dont feel like the OP is being completely sincere or is flat making it up.

[Frisco]

Speaking of strange tells, I got a weird one last night. I was talking in glff about why L75 1st Age symbols were still selling for 100G+ (someone said they shouldn't be going for more than 20G, and I explained that they might be good for some class items still, and that 100G wasn't really all that much anymore).

I got a tell 5 minutes later from someone not in the conversation at all saying:

"That sounds really hot."

"Umm...what sounds hot?" I reply

"Your logic. It's really hot."

I just assumed that it was a poor recovery from a mis-tell, but I suppose there might be gamers out there who get aroused by common sense.

[Brandon_Blackbird]

It just doesnt add up.

The story seems, "fishy" and the interaction seems strange. Going from "guild recruitment" to "solo hating drivel"?

I think there is much more to this "Story"

There is either interaction and dialogue being left out by the OP and or the other party.

I just dont feel like the OP is being completely sincere or is flat making it up.

What color is the sky in your world? Things like this, while not common, aren't uncommon either. I've had people be nice to me in one moment and crude in the next, when all I did was decline an invitation to spar/join a kinship/join a fellowship/port someone somewhere. Some people take declining very personally. That's not my problem.

[happycamper9]

What color is the sky in your world?

Speaking of rude....

Things like this, while not common, aren't uncommon either. I've had people be nice to me in one moment and crude in the next, when all I did was decline an invitation to spar/join a kinship/join a fellowship/port someone somewhere. Some people take declining very personally. That's not my problem.

Good for you, does not change the fact that I feel like there is more going on here than what is being said in the OP. Why is it OK for people to take someone at their word and then stir the masses for a typical hate the "hardcore" echo chamber thread.

One thing life lessons have taught me is there is almost always some kind of spin from opposite sides of an encounter like this. The truth is rarely ever exactly how one side portrays it.

[Graycient]

Joining a Kinship while being a solo player is pointless unless you're in it for the social side (Casual Kinships *shivers*).

[Brandon_Blackbird]

Speaking of rude....

Good for you, does not change the fact that I feel like there is more going on here than what is being said in the OP. Why is it OK for people to take someone at their word and then stir the masses for a typical hate the "hardcore" echo chamber thread.

One thing life lessons have taught me is there is almost always some kind of spin from opposite sides of an encounter like this. The truth is rarely ever exactly how one side portrays it.

You are awfully cynical for someone with the name "happycamper". What purpose would the OP have in making something up? He didn't post the person's name, nor the kinship, so he's clearly not trying to badmouth a specific individual by name. So tell me, what would he accomplish by lying about it? You think he has an angle, please enlighten us to what it is.

[Haunt123]

You are awfully cynical for someone with the name "happycamper". What purpose would the OP have in making something up? He didn't post the person's name, nor the kinship, so he's clearly not trying to badmouth a specific individual by name. So tell me, what would he accomplish by lying about it? You think he has an angle, please enlighten us to what it is.

I'm just playing the Devil's advocate,
Maybe he was trying to start an anti-Raiders thread?

[sirwillow]

Good for you, does not change the fact that I feel like there is more going on here than what is being said in the OP. Why is it OK for people to take someone at their word and then stir the masses for a typical hate the "hardcore" echo chamber thread.

One thing life lessons have taught me is there is almost always some kind of spin from opposite sides of an encounter like this. The truth is rarely ever exactly how one side portrays it.

I've no doubt it happened pretty much like the OP posted, because I've seen it before and experienced it myself. In fact just a couple of days ago. I was on my 75 warden riding through Angamauer (Lone Lands) when I got a blind invite from a couple of level 20 somethings. Declined it. Got another one. Declined. Got another and sent a tell this time saying, "Sorry, I'm just riding through and don't have time to stick around. It would also be nice if you sent a tell to someone or talked to them before sending them an invite. It's polite and doesn't come across like harassment as some might take a series of blind invites." Their response? "%^#@$^$#@$^^$&^ &&@@" which promptly got them reported.

Not the first time I've seen something like that, and sadly I'm sure it won't be the last.

[Brandon_Blackbird]

I'm just playing the Devil's advocate,
Maybe he was trying to start an anti-Raiders thread?

Maybe so, but I'm of a mind that someone is innocent until proven guilty.

[happycamper9]

You are awfully cynical for someone with the name "happycamper". What purpose would the OP have in making something up? He didn't post the person's name, nor the kinship, so he's clearly not trying to badmouth a specific individual by name. So tell me, what would he accomplish by lying about it? You think he has an angle, please enlighten us to what it is.

Im not cycnical, Im being very reasonable.

The naivete come when people take everything given to them at face value. Life just doesn't work that way.


As to motivations, I dont know. Its not really good to speculate but If you are asking, maybe he is a solo player who dislikes raiders, or someone who is envious of raid rewards and armor? Maybe he is trying to justify his decisions to no be in a kin. I dont know, and like I said, I dont want to speculate but I find it a little strange that someone who is recruiting for their Kin to turn around and act like that a few seconds after someone saying" Im mostly a solo player"

Not sure what I have said or done, outside of throwing a logical dissenting question, into the "hate the hardcore" echo chamber.