Instance cluster not included in questpack- what about 'aspects of mounted combat'?

[Faratalath]

A quick question 6 days before release. I still haven't pre-ordered RoR, right now I'm doubting between pre-ordering or buying the questpack with TP on the 15th.

What I know: The instance cluster will not be included in the questpack I can buy with TP on the 15th. It's probably available on a later date, as with Isengard, as part of the 'RoR-expansion' in the LotRO store.

The question that's left for me now is based on the official pre-order FAQ. It states:

3. Do I have to buy the expansion to get a War-steed?
No. All players will be able to participate in mounted combat. Free players, however, do not have access to all of the War-steeds abilities (two of the three trait trees are locked) but will be able to purchase access and unlock s through the LOTRO store. Players who have purchased the Expansion will have all aspects of mounted combat unlocked immediately.

So, what if I buy the 'quest pack' on the 15th in the LotRO store? Do I get the quest pack only, or are these mounted combat aspects included?

And is there anything else like these 'mounted combat aspects' that is included in the 'expansion' but not in the 'quest pack'?
(next to the instance cluster, but that's one I already know)

Just so I won't get any nasty surprises if I do decide not to pre-order.

[Sapience]

A quick question 6 days before release. I still haven't pre-ordered RoR, right now I'm doubting between pre-ordering or buying the questpack with TP on the 15th.

What I know: The instance cluster will not be included in the questpack I can buy with TP on the 15th. It's probably available on a later date, as with Isengard, as part of the 'RoR-expansion' in the LotRO store.

The question that's left for me now is based on the official pre-order FAQ. It states:

3. Do I have to buy the expansion to get a War-steed?
No. All players will be able to participate in mounted combat. Free players, however, do not have access to all of the War-steeds abilities (two of the three trait trees are locked) but will be able to purchase access and unlock s through the LOTRO store. Players who have purchased the Expansion will have all aspects of mounted combat unlocked immediately.

So, what if I buy the 'quest pack' on the 15th in the LotRO store? Do I get the quest pack only, or are these mounted combat aspects included?

And is there anything else like these 'mounted combat aspects' that is included in the 'expansion' but not in the 'quest pack'?
(next to the instance cluster, but that's one I already know)

Just so I won't get any nasty surprises if I do decide not to pre-order.

The quest pack is exactly that. A pack of quests. It doesn't contain the other elements of the expansion. If you want to make sure you get everything, then the expansion is what you want.

[Faratalath]

Righty ho, know what to do know, thanks for the quick reply (:

[Legonist]

The quest pack is exactly that. A pack of quests. It doesn't contain the other elements of the expansion. If you want to make sure you get everything, then the expansion is what you want.

So is the quest pack the same as the Rohan Expansion Content? The name: "Rohan Expansion Content: 4295 TP
Expansion Content includes the quests in the Rohan region." says Expansion Content and states that it includes the quests, if it only includes the quests why it is titled Rohan Expansion Content?

[Crell_1]

Can you announce the pricing for the 2 MC Trait lines and talk about whether or not they're character or account level purchases?

[Lapislazzuli]

I'd really like to know the exact TP pricing of all that's inside the expansion too.
To make an informed purchase, you know. Doesn't matter how much it is, I have enough TPs but I may end up buying it with $ if I find it too expensive a la carte. Think it's better to let us find out now that we can still preorder.
And would be thankful if you could stop it with misleading names such as "Rohan expansion content". Call it quest pack if that's what it is.

[RicardoFurriel]

The quest pack is exactly that. A pack of quests. It doesn't contain the other elements of the expansion. If you want to make sure you get everything, then the expansion is what you want.

Only in the FAQ it's not stated as a Quest Pack. It's ADVERTISED as Rohan Expansion Content.

According to the post above, Rohan Expansion Content = Quest Pack.

That means that according to Turbine, Mounted Combat is not part of the Rohan Expansion Content. So, why all the dev diaries, youtube videos and all the hype about Mounted Combat if it's not part of the Expansion that was advertised?

To save same time:

http://www.lotro.com/news/latestnews...-pre-order-faq

[Anavalar]

Mounted combat is part of the Epic quests so EVERYONE should have this albeit in a limited form. A sizable number of the quests seem to use mounted combat as well. So far all the dev preview vids and articles say that full purchasers of RoR get the choice of the 3 kinds of steeds. I'm guessing that quest pack buyers may not have the choice but have all the non-raid mounted quest content. The warbands themselves have been framed as "roving quests" rather than traditional mobs.

[Erhnam]

If anyone is thinking that Turbine wont charge you extra TP for the other 2 trait lines (if you buy the expansion with TP, thats it), you may as well stop dreaming :P

[BigLotroFan]

An interesting turn of events. I'm glad I was already planning on waiting for the bundle that including the instance cluster. I'll be sure to look for mention of the other trait lines when reading the extra fine print.

[Lothirieth]

I'd like some clarification too. Are there two different things that are going to be purchasable? Or has terminology gotten mixed up here?

[Hordan]

So is the quest pack the same as the Rohan Expansion Content? The name: "Rohan Expansion Content: 4295 TP
Expansion Content includes the quests in the Rohan region." says Expansion Content and states that it includes the quests, if it only includes the quests why it is titled Rohan Expansion Content?

Its a Quest Pack included into a Quest Pack. Enjoy and be prepared to get with Turbine Points Instance Cluster that include Instance Cluster

ps: Dont be surprised that Your Rohan Quest Pack included into Rohan Content also include quests (I am serious about that!!!)




ps2: now I am wondering how many missunderstandings are in dev diary that we are not aware of )

[Beerminator]

Turbine, please fix your terminology.

If it's a questpack, please name it "Rohan Questpack". Or just add one word: "only". Expansion Content ONLY includes the quests in the Rohan region.

[Dorothir]

The quest pack is exactly that. A pack of quests. It doesn't contain the other elements of the expansion. If you want to make sure you get everything, then the expansion is what you want.

Is the Rohan Expansion Content the Quest Pack? If so, rename it to Rohan Quest Pack.
Or is the Rohan Expansion Content the expansion you refer to? If not, what is the Expansion Content?

[MoonwalkIntoMordor]

The quest pack is exactly that. A pack of quests. It doesn't contain the other elements of the expansion. If you want to make sure you get everything, then the expansion is what you want.

Don't some other quest packs contain instances or instance clusters as well? Moria, Mirkwood, Enedwaith, North Downs, etc.

I have absolutely no idea what "Rohan Expansion Content" means. It sounds like it includes the quests, the instances and the light+heavy mounts. The price of 4250 TP implies that it is more than just quests, but I just can't know it anymore.

There is a lot of vagueness going on with the definitions here.

[Lapislazzuli]

Don't some other quest packs contain instances or instance clusters as well? Moria, Mirkwood, Enedwaith, North Downs, etc.

I have absolutely no idea what "Rohan Expansion Content" means. It sounds like it includes the quests, the instances and the light+heavy mounts. The price of 4250 TP implies that it is more than just quests, but I just can't know it anymore.

There is a lot of vagueness going on with the definitions here.

Actually the whole RoI if bought a la carte was more than 6000 TP last year and RoR is more expensive so I reeeeally doubt that's the full pack. They would call it Rohan Expansion otherwise, something we won't see until later this year.

If that's a quest pack only tho I'm both disappointed and surprised. What good may come in misleading your customers calling a quest pack "rohan expansion content"? Makes no sense at all. We're 4 days away and still we have no accurate infos on the TP pricing. Meh.

[Yula_the_Mighty]

Don't some other quest packs contain instances or instance clusters as well? Moria, Mirkwood, Enedwaith, North Downs, etc.

Correct. Depends on when the content was released. Pre Lotro Store icirca September 2010 - content pack includes the instance cluster. After the launch of the Lotro Store, the instance cluster is not included in the Quest Pack.

I have absolutely no idea what "Rohan Expansion Content" means. It sounds like it includes the quests, the instances and the light+heavy mounts. The price of 4250 TP implies that it is more than just quests, but I just can't know it anymore.

Nope. Does not include this content. This naming convention started with the Rise of Isengard Expansion. Turbine wanted to give a unique name to the larger quest packs that are part of an expansion versus the smaller quest packs like Great River. At least in the case of Isengard, there is more than one region in the Quest pack. The Isengard Quest pack include Dunland, Gap of rohan and Nan Curunir.

[Yula_the_Mighty]

Is the Rohan Expansion Content the Quest Pack? If so, rename it to Rohan Quest Pack.
Or is the Rohan Expansion Content the expansion you refer to? If not, what is the Expansion Content?

This pricing and contents from the Turbine FAQ
Yes, you can purchase portions of the expansion separately with your Turbine Points in the LOTRO Store. These items will be released in the LOTRO Store on the same day as the expansion, October 15th. The prices are as follows:

• Rohan Expansion Content: 4295 TP
  
  • Expansion Content includes the quests in the Rohan region.
  
  
• Rohirrim Skinned Soldier on Landscape: 295 TP
• 6th Inventory Bag (Account-wide): 995 TP
• Crystal of Remembrance: 995 TP
• The Outriders Token: 495 TP

See:
http://www.lotro.com/news/latestnews...-pre-order-faq
for more details.

As far as I know, Turbine has not announced what the full expansion will cost in Turbine Points. Nor its release date which is the update after Riders of Rohan launches that contains the instance cluse

[MoonwalkIntoMordor]

Correct. Depends on when the content was released. Pre Lotro Store icirca September 2010 - content pack includes the instance cluster. After the launch of the Lotro Store, the instance cluster is not included in the Quest Pack.

Incorrect. Enedwaith quest pack was released at the same time with the LoTRO store. In Their Absence cluster (2 small fellowship, 2 large fellowship, 1 full raid) was released many months after the LoTRO store was. Still, it was integrated into the Enedwaith Quest pack instead of being released as a separate cluster.

Still, that's beside my point. There is an inconsistency and it is misleading.

Nope. Does not include this content. This naming convention started with the Rise of Isengard Expansion. Turbine wanted to give a unique name to the larger quest packs that are part of an expansion versus the smaller quest packs like Great River. At least in the case of Isengard, there is more than one region in the Quest pack. The Isengard Quest pack include Dunland, Gap of rohan and Nan Curunir.

Again, this doesn't change the fact that it is misleading. No matter how big a quest pack is, it is a quest pack. No point calling it something else. "Expansion Content" makes it seem like there is more to it, especially since the content in an expansion is usually more (although not much) than just a quest pack.

[BigLotroFan]

The naming convention used with RoI was "Expansion Quests". Which at the time I felt was also misleading. Anyone using the "search" feature in the lotrostore will type in Expansion and find quest packs listed.

Quest Pack
Expansion Quests
Expansion Content

Take your pick, they all mean the same thing.....except where they don't.

[Mar-Evayave]

Don't some other quest packs contain instances or instance clusters as well? Moria, Mirkwood, Enedwaith, North Downs, etc.

I have absolutely no idea what "Rohan Expansion Content" means. It sounds like it includes the quests, the instances and the light+heavy mounts. The price of 4250 TP implies that it is more than just quests, but I just can't know it anymore.

There is a lot of vagueness going on with the definitions here.

It can't include the IC, regardless of what else it might include. The store can't sell for TP what isn't in the store yet. The IC won't be in the store until it releases. Ergo, the 4295 TP offer doesn't include the IC.

Some quick math for anyone interested based on THIS:

RoI on launch:
quests+deeds = 3250 TP
Draig = 1250 TP

and when it launches:
RoI instances = 1495 TP

RoR on launch:
mysterious "Rohan Expansion Content" = 4295 TP

and when it launches
RoR instances = TBA (but presumably at least as much as RoI; probably closer to 2k TP)

Now, we know that Turbine feels RoR to be twice the size of Moria (or something similar to that). Which puts it significantly larger than Dunland. Thus, obviously they would price RoR higher than they would price RoI. Now, let's suppose for a moment the "Rohan Expansion Content" does include the following: quests/deeds and the rest of mounted combat. If the rest of mounted combat was sold separately, how much do you think Turbine would price it at? First, is it character-by-character, or account-wide? I can easily see 1k TP if its account-wide. Probably something like 500 TP if character-by-character. Personally, I think it'll be account-wide. Its not frill or less valuable like the Token or Crystal. Its as important as the bag, possibly more so. So I can easily believe it will be account-wide and priced somewhere in the neighborhood of 1k TP. So the total of 4295 TP minus the 1k TP (or thereabouts) for the mounted combat stuff = 3295 TP. Really? You seriously think they'd sell RoR for only 45 TP more than they sold RoI? o.O

Actually the whole RoI if bought a la carte was more than 6000 TP last year and RoR is more expensive so I reeeeally doubt that's the full pack. They would call it Rohan Expansion otherwise, something we won't see until later this year.

If that's a quest pack only tho I'm both disappointed and surprised. What good may come in misleading your customers calling a quest pack "rohan expansion content"? Makes no sense at all. We're 4 days away and still we have no accurate infos on the TP pricing. Meh.

Total agreement on the first paragraph. As to the second, I agree to that too, but I did recently notice the wording was almost the same as it was last year. Last year they called it the "Isengard Expansion Quests" (see the link I have above). Obviously, quests are content. Thus, "Rohan Expansion Content" is believable. I think where Turbine really shot themselves in the foot is specifying that it "includes" the quests. When I see wording like that, my first question is, "hmm, I wonder what else it will include?" Seldom do you use the word include and then list the whole contents. "Includes" usually means, "here is some of it, but not all of it." So yeah... the wording really stinks. And I agree, being so misleading it causes only disappointment and confusion. But I honestly feel it will only be the quests, if for no other reason than my paragraph above comparing the RoI and RoR pricing. *shrug* :/

*timewarp*

That teaches me to take so long to reply! Bunches of other stuff get posted in the meantime! So, editing to respond to other comments...

Correct. Depends on when the content was released. Pre Lotro Store icirca September 2010 - content pack includes the instance cluster. After the launch of the Lotro Store, the instance cluster is not included in the Quest Pack.

Nope. Does not include this content. This naming convention started with the Rise of Isengard Expansion. Turbine wanted to give a unique name to the larger quest packs that are part of an expansion versus the smaller quest packs like Great River. At least in the case of Isengard, there is more than one region in the Quest pack. The Isengard Quest pack include Dunland, Gap of rohan and Nan Curunir.

I think the other person was talking more about the older content. Like how buying the Evendim quest pack (or Angmar or ___, etc) did include the IC (Carn Dum, Draig, Tomb of Elendil, etc). So, some older quest packs do include the IC. The biggest thing recently (at least with RoI and now RoR) is that the IC is delayed, so it can't be included in any initial offers in the Store.

That's a good point about the naming convention. I imagine they would want some verbal distinction between expansion quest packs and smaller ones (like GR). Hmm... I'll have to mull that over a bit.

Incorrect. Enedwaith quest pack was released at the same time with the LoTRO store. In Their Absence cluster (2 small fellowship, 2 large fellowship, 1 full raid) was released many months after the LoTRO store was. Still, it was integrated into the Enedwaith Quest pack instead of being released as a separate cluster.

I had access to In Their Absence before I even bought Enedwaith. No clue how, but I'm 99.9% sure I did the first few instances before I got Enedwaith. And also, the Mysterious Relics deed is part of In Their Absence, and I KNOW I had that simply months before I bought Enedwaith. And I wasn't VIP (at that point, I wasn't even premium). I never bought it separately (if its even offered that way) or anything. From what I can tell, I had access from the moment I started playing the game. By the time I got to the Mysterious Relics deed, I'd bought perhaps only a few quest packs (such as Evendim and North Downs).

[Macroscian]

• Rohan Expansion Content: 4295 TP
  
  • Expansion Content includes the quests in the Rohan region.
  
  
• Rohirrim Skinned Soldier on Landscape: 295 TP
• 6th Inventory Bag (Account-wide): 995 TP
• Crystal of Remembrance: 995 TP
• The Outriders Token: 495 TP

Oh I see, thanks!

I suspect OP was talking about buying post-release - the above is pre-order I guess.

Moria shipped with 2 character slots and the then new classes when bought as an expansion. I doubt extra bag, crystal and xp token will be the expansion 'extras' with RoR - but then again, perhaps that's what it will ship with.

I'm still confused what's what on release, will just have to wait and see =)

[Lothirieth]

The store can't sell for TP what isn't in the store yet.

More like won't, not can't as MoonwalkIntoMordor illustrated. Hurrah for nickel and diming.

Anyway, "Isengard Expansion Quests" is clear it's only quests. "Rohan Expansion Content" isn't clear that it's only quests no matter how hard people insist that it is... especially in a expansion where there's a bit more to it as in a new combat system (unlike RoI). I think it's more than likely going to be only the quests and that Turbine is being deliberately vague with this term and the little 'quests included' bit (given a blue name can't bother to come back into this thread and clarify).. but it's still unclear.

[Yula_the_Mighty]

Incorrect. Enedwaith quest pack was released at the same time with the LoTRO store. In Their Absence cluster (2 small fellowship, 2 large fellowship, 1 full raid) was released many months after the LoTRO store was. Still, it was integrated into the Enedwaith Quest pack instead of being released as a separate cluster.

Still, that's beside my point. There is an inconsistency and it is misleading.

You are missing the quirk about this cluster. Even with the quirk, it does not invalidate my comment. Turbine released:

1) The Attack at Dawn Skirmish which is located in North Downs. It is not part of North Downs. You have to buy it as a single instance.

2) The Icy Crevasse Skirmish which is located in Evendim. It is not part of Evendim. You have to buy it as a single instance.

3) The Halls of Night Instance which is located in Angmar. It is not part of Angmar. You have to buy it as a single instance.

4) The Inn of Forsaken Instance which is located in Lonelands. It is not part of Angmar. You have to buy it as a single instance.

5) Dragoich Raid Instance which is locate in Endewaith. It is not part of Endewaith. You have to buy the instance or the Isengard content.

6) Strange "In Your Absence" cluster behavior

a) Stoneheight is located in North Downs. You would think purchasing North Downs would give you this instance. No - You are forced to buy Endewaith.

b) North Cotton Farms is located in Evendim. You would think purchasing Evendim would give you this instance. No - You are forced to buy Endewaith.

c) Lost Temple is located in Trollshaws. You would think purchasing Trollshaws would give you this instance. No - You are forced to to buy Endewaith.

d) Sari-surma is located in Forochel. You would think purchasing Forochel would give you this instance. No - You are forced to buy Endewaith.

e) Ost Dunoth is located in Endewaith. You get Ost Dunoth by purchasing Endewaith. At least this make sense.

IMHO - This cluster was attached to Endewaith to increase sales of the Endewaith quest pack.

Again, this doesn't change the fact that it is misleading. No matter how big a quest pack is, it is a quest pack. No point calling it something else. "Expansion Content" makes it seem like there is more to it, especially since the content in an expansion is usually more (although not much) than just a quest pack.

Agreed.

IMHO - I believe sticking expansion into the Quest Pack name is deliberate attempt to generate additional sales. Justify the higher prices. All via the use of terminology designed to convince the customer that they are getting more value they actually are.

Turbine should call these items Rise of Isengard Quest Pack and Riders of Rohan Quest Pack. Hopefully there is a longer explanation available in the store that explains that this high priced item is the quests portion of the associated expansion.

[MoonwalkIntoMordor]

It can't include the IC, regardless of what else it might include. The store can't sell for TP what isn't in the store yet. The IC won't be in the store until it releases. Ergo, the 4295 TP offer doesn't include the IC.

But as I just said, they already did that with Enedwaith. The quest pack was in the store since the game went F2P. The instance cluster was added months later, into the same quest pack.

The reason they won't do it isn't because of some technical incapability.

I had access to In Their Absence before I even bought Enedwaith. No clue how, but I'm 99.9% sure I did the first few instances before I got Enedwaith. And also, the Mysterious Relics deed is part of In Their Absence, and I KNOW I had that simply months before I bought Enedwaith. And I wasn't VIP (at that point, I wasn't even premium). I never bought it separately (if its even offered that way) or anything. From what I can tell, I had access from the moment I started playing the game. By the time I got to the Mysterious Relics deed, I'd bought perhaps only a few quest packs (such as Evendim and North Downs).

I don't know about the instances. They have always been tied to the Enedwaith QP as far as I know. Seems like wizardry.

As for the Mysterious Relics, that was implemented some time before the cluster was, so to foreshadow it. I know that it was not tied to Enedwaith QP so nothing wrong there.

You are missing the quirk about this cluster. Even with the quirk, it does not invalidate my comment. Turbine released:

Stuff

You claimed that instances released after F2P were not included in quest packs.
I gave you an example of an instance cluster released after F2P that was included in a quest pack.

Therefore invalidating your comment.

Where the instances are located or why Turbine tied the cluster to Enedwaith is irrelevant to that. It is an instance cluster that is included in a quest pack that was released after the F2P transition. I really don't see any point discussing this any further.