Petition: DO NOT Opt-Out of Forced Emotes

[Ayrolen]

Reports don't achieve anything, personal experience shows this.

They're certainly quick to ban players for cursing in chat channels. I don't know this from personal experience (because I have better self control than that), but I've seen it happen many times on Elendilmir to people I know. And just for the record, I don't want this to turn into a "just use your profanity filter!" thread, so let's not go there.

[Dworin]

That's disheartening and I'm very sorry for your loss.

Thank you, it remains quite painful. But yes, the guy that did it is still in-game, and as has been shown quite recently, still posting on the forums, in spite of being reported and people going so far as to directly contact Turbine staff. Apparently, nothing has been done about it, and that mystifies me, but... *shrug*

[commodore1]

Your Point B clear says that Oh you do not directly say it but to argue against a toggle because it ruins the fun
of seeing the emot effect them not knowing thier feelings is a clear defense of griefing and your singular playstyle.

You continue by saying so many are against the forced emotes that eventually everyone will turn on the toggle makeing them pointless. Does that not contridict you argument from other threads and many others suggestion that it is a small minority that object to them? Seems you want it both ways.
Further if so many object to them that eventually everyone will togle them off they are already pointless other then from a griefers point of view. You really can not have it both ways. Also it has been said that the toggle would also prevent the use of them while toggeled on and there should be a delay in switching them so that issue is solved that you try to defend griefers with.
Defending them based on just the deed is specious at best if all that people wanted was to complete the deed the fact that it
would still count the use of the consumable that is, then there would be no issue not seeing the efect or getting a rsponse from the one griefed. Again you contradict yourself with your claims.

I notice many want to have the emotes use them at will but claim they are not doing anything wrong.
Well if that is the case why argue against a toggle that gives you what you want and gives us what we want.
It is a win win situation unless of course griefing is the real underlying desire which is what it seems to be with most anti toggle pro forced emoters.

From you're second paragraph
What i got from his thread was that even the grieffers don't like it when someone uses a FE on them. so if the people getting it used on them don't like and the the FE people don't want it used on them. Who actually wants it in the game?

I'd like to see them with a 10 sec induction with some wild gyrating animations so I could identify the perp and move away without the FE effecting me.

[Celestrata]

Ok, I need to step in here and say something. The fighting in this thread is really getting over the top, and I think I need to make it clear that fighting amongst one another for your personal opinions is quite simply not allowed.

I realize that this is a hot button issue that some people are extremely passionate about, but I ask that all of you remember that sometimes others may have a differing opinion. This does not make them wrong, nor does it make them bad people -- it simply means they believe something else. The whole reason a forum exists is to provide discourse, and that means that we should be able to discuss our differences in a civil manner.

If I see anyone else in this thread attacking or insulting others for their opinion, be it for or against forced emotes, I will assign you a failure to follow instructions infraction. Use this thread to state your opinions on whether or not there should be a forced emote opt-out. Do not use it to insult one another or troll one another because someone doesn't like something.

I hope that this is clear enough for everyone. I hate taking a hard stance like this, I really do, but I think it's finally necessary for these threads.

[Dworin]

Ok, I need to step in here and say something. The fighting in this thread is really getting over the top, and I think I need to make it clear that fighting amongst one another for your personal opinions is quite simply not allowed.

I realize that this is a hot button issue that some people are extremely passionate about, but I ask that all of you remember that sometimes others may have a differing opinion. This does not make them wrong, nor does it make them bad people -- it simply means they believe something else. The whole reason a forum exists is to provide discourse, and that means that we should be able to discuss our differences in a civil manner.

If I see anyone else in this thread attacking or insulting others for their opinion, be it for or against forced emotes, I will assign you a failure to follow instructions infraction. Use this thread to state your opinions on whether or not there should be a forced emote opt-out. Do not use it to insult one another or troll one another because someone doesn't like something.

I hope that this is clear enough for everyone. I hate taking a hard stance like this, I really do, but I think it's finally necessary for these threads.

Thank you for removing the post, i was typing my reply while you were posting.

[Celestrata]

Thank you for removing the post, i was typing my reply while you were posting.

You're plenty welcome, no worries.

[commodore1]

Ok, I need to step in here and say something. The fighting in this thread is really getting over the top, and I think I need to make it clear that fighting amongst one another for your personal opinions is quite simply not allowed.

I realize that this is a hot button issue that some people are extremely passionate about, but I ask that all of you remember that sometimes others may have a differing opinion. This does not make them wrong, nor does it make them bad people -- it simply means they believe something else. The whole reason a forum exists is to provide discourse, and that means that we should be able to discuss our differences in a civil manner.

If I see anyone else in this thread attacking or insulting others for their opinion, be it for or against forced emotes, I will assign you a failure to follow instructions infraction. Use this thread to state your opinions on whether or not there should be a forced emote opt-out. Do not use it to insult one another or troll one another because someone doesn't like something.

I hope that this is clear enough for everyone. I hate taking a hard stance like this, I really do, but I think it's finally necessary for these threads.

I hope I'm not attacking or insulting you when I say all of this(every single bit of it) could have been avoided with an opt-out feature. "sigh"

[Ayrolen]

I hope I'm not attacking or insulting you when I say all of this(every single bit of it) could have been avoided with an opt-out feature. "sigh"

Actually, every single bit of the fighting and insulting could be avoided by people exhibiting a modicum of self control, agreeing to disagree, and knowing when to just walk away from an argument.

[Rampagingdeath]

Thank you, it remains quite painful. But yes, the guy that did it is still in-game, and as has been shown quite recently, still posting on the forums, in spite of being reported and people going so far as to directly contact Turbine staff. It mystifies me why nothing is done, but... *shrug*

And your proof of that statement is what exactly?

[Dworin]

And your proof of that statement is what exactly?

My bad, I should have worded that last sentence differently. Allow me to correct it: "Apparently, nothing has been done about it, and that mystifies me, but .....*shrug*"

Sorry for the error.

[Whart]

I hope I'm not attacking or insulting you when I say all of this(every single bit of it) could have been avoided with an opt-out feature. "sigh"

Agreed. Is there no way for the CMs to tell us that our concerns are being heard and that Turbine cares enough about community events to be looking into ways to keep them from being disrupted?

I really do love this game and this community, but the fact that a very small number of players are causing real pain to others, to the extent that even RL family members who show up in game to honor their deceased loved one's favorite passtime are griefed by them, and no number of reports seems to be changing that fact, really saddens me.

[maxjenius]

Turbine remove all Emote Deeds. Stupid idea in the first place.

As has been noted many times, the bad part was when they attached a deed to it. However, as has also been noted many, many more times, adding an opt out would keep everyone happy (everyone but the griefers, that is, and who cares about them). So no need for the drastic "nuclear option."

[Orlor]

Ok, I need to step in here and say something. The fighting in this thread is really getting over the top, and I think I need to make it clear that fighting amongst one another for your personal opinions is quite simply not allowed.

I realize that this is a hot button issue that some people are extremely passionate about, but I ask that all of you remember that sometimes others may have a differing opinion. This does not make them wrong, nor does it make them bad people -- it simply means they believe something else. The whole reason a forum exists is to provide discourse, and that means that we should be able to discuss our differences in a civil manner.

If I see anyone else in this thread attacking or insulting others for their opinion, be it for or against forced emotes, I will assign you a failure to follow instructions infraction. Use this thread to state your opinions on whether or not there should be a forced emote opt-out. Do not use it to insult one another or troll one another because someone doesn't like something.

I hope that this is clear enough for everyone. I hate taking a hard stance like this, I really do, but I think it's finally necessary for these threads.

It might also help tempers if we got a response from Turbine on the matter. This has been going on for years and so far, this one response from you is the best response we got (I.E. It is the ONLY response we have received). We file reports on the griefers only to have them closed with a canned response and sometimes with infractions against those filing the reports. Meanwhile, the griefers are free to keep on greifing. The people complaining about the housing finally got a response back from a Dev, why can we not get a response as well? Up to this point, we weren't even aware that anyone in Turbine is even aware of our plight.

Just a "We are aware of the problem and are working on a solution" from Turbine would do a lot to calm things down.

[manstan]

Hmm, should I argue with Celestrata, or quote one of my early posts? lol

[Ayrolen]

Hmm, should I argue with Celestrata, or quote one of my early posts? lol

I would strongly advise against it, if you like your forum access. Just sayin'.

[whheydt]

Hmm, should I argue with Celestrata, or quote one of my early posts? lol

There is a third choice....you could send Celestrata a private message.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

[Gandie2]

Thank you, it remains quite painful. But yes, the guy that did it is still in-game, and as has been shown quite recently, still posting on the forums, in spite of being reported and people going so far as to directly contact Turbine staff. Apparently, nothing has been done about it, and that mystifies me, but... *shrug*

I'm sorry, I've scanned back but have not managed to gleam what you are talking about -- I saw a post where someone, i guess you, said just for the record it was my wife that died.

But are you saying someone killed your wife in game and she died in real life? and somehow it was the fault of the person that killed her in game?

Holy shades of matrix.

I am of course sorry for anyone who loses a loved one, in the outer world, or as some call it, 'real life'. But I miss the connection to the game.

[yello1]

/signed

Why ruin the fun because of nit wits. Instead have the various forced emotes not work for anyone already in an emote or who is within ear shot of player music and has player music on.

[Dworin]

I'm sorry, I've scanned back but have not managed to gleam what you are talking about -- I saw a post where someone, i guess you, said just for the record it was my wife that died.

But are you saying someone killed your wife in game and she died in real life? and somehow it was the fault of the person that killed her in game?

Holy shades of matrix.

I am of course sorry for anyone who loses a loved one, in the outer world, or as some call it, 'real life'. But I miss the connection to the game.

You have really mis read things, or missed posts:

My fiancee in RL died, and she was also a player in LotRO. (*edit* To be clear, her death was totally non-LotRO related). One of the Landroval bands dedicated it's performance to her. Her RL family, along with me, were logged in and there to see the performance, when a player came and griefed us during and after the concert that was dedicated to Shinarra. The griefer still posts on these forums, and still plays in-game.

[maxjenius]

You have really mis read things, or missed posts:

My fiancee in RL died, and she was also a player in LotRO. One of the Landroval bands dedicated it's performance to her. Her RL family, along with me, were logged in and there to see the performance, when a player came and griefed us during and after the concert that was dedicated to Shinarra. The griefer still posts on these forums, and still plays in-game.

And of course a forced emote opt out would not have completely stopped him. He could have jumped around and regular emoted, played music, etc. As I have posted before, if I saw a "memorial service" in-game, I would assume it was an RP thing. That's no excuse for disruptive behavior, however. But what he did was not worse just because it was a real virtual memorial service. Griefing is griefing. The motives of the griefer and the nature of the activities being disrupted are immaterial.

[Abiyah]

And of course a forced emote opt out would not have completely stopped him. He could have jumped around and regular emoted, played music, etc.

A forced emote opt-out would not have stopped the griefer, that much is true. However, the other actions you describe in no way directly affect the controls of another player. It is much easier to ignore the actions of someone who is not taking control of your character away from you.

[maxjenius]

A forced emote opt-out would not have stopped the griefer, that much is true. However, the other actions you describe in no way directly affect the controls of another player. It is much easier to ignore the actions of someone who is not taking control of your character away from you.

We don't need to go there, because my position is pro-opt out. Always has been.

[Dworin]

And of course a forced emote opt out would not have completely stopped him. He could have jumped around and regular emoted, played music, etc. As I have posted before, if I saw a "memorial service" in-game, I would assume it was an RP thing. That's no excuse for disruptive behavior, however. But what he did was not worse just because it was a real virtual memorial service. Griefing is griefing. The motives of the griefer and the nature of the activities being disrupted are immaterial.

If you choose to assume things, that's on you, nor do I give a rat's patootie why he did it. I just know he did it. That's enough.

[maxjenius]

If you choose to assume things, that's on you

It would seem wise to me to realize that having a large public gathering invites griefing. That's not to put the blame on you, because, as I have posted many times in many threads, people have the right to use the game as they wish without fear of disruption. Surely someone must have realized "Hey, if people see us, no one's going to know we're memorializing a real person. Emotions are going to be quite high. What happens if someone comes along acting like a jerk?" As stated, I would assume it was an RP thing. I think most people would.

nor do I give a rat's patootie why he did it. I just know he did it. That's enough.

We are in agreement. Why he did it is irrelevant. Again, griefing is griefing. I think everyone agrees putting an opt out for forced emotes and pranks is only going to remove one tool from the griefer's toolbox.

[l4j]

/NOT signed