Client crashes very regularly

[Abiyah]

Turbine are attempting to fix these issues, there are official threads asking for as much detail from those of us who are crashing to add to their data to help track down the issues and fix them, and the are suggesting workarounds that they have tested that appear to work in some cases.

Turbine has data mines that cover every aspect of the game. They know just about everything about each and every individual player. My question is then why do they need to ask for detail from the users? They are supposedly the professionals. They wrote the code. The only responsibility the customer has is to let them know there's a problem.

[Dovakhim]

Turbine has data mines that cover every aspect of the game. They know just about everything about each and every individual player. My question is then why do they need to ask for detail from the users? They are supposedly the professionals. They wrote the code. The only responsibility the customer has is to let them know there's a problem.

I am not defending the crashes - this is a bit too much ...

But, they have to find the bugs like needles in a haystack. They are hidden somewhere in the mountains of data they gather. They have that, but they have to find out where the problems come from.

And they do not know the machine configurations, drivers and graphics cards of individual players. So we have to tell them so that they can fix it.

[Abiyah]

And they do not know the machine configurations, drivers and graphics cards of individual players. So we have to tell them so that they can fix it.

Why do they need to know this? The products available for individual use in any person's machine is public knowledge; they should be current on it, it's part of the job if they're indeed professionals about their work. What each and every person is using has no bearing on the matter, or at least it shouldn't.

[skadoink]

Why do they need to know this? The products available for individual use in any person's machine is public knowledge; they should be current on it, it's part of the job if they're indeed professionals about their work. What each and every person is using has no bearing on the matter, or at least it shouldn't.

I sympathise with your point, but unfortunately they cannot test every combination. Consider a limited scenario where the only things that affect something are, say, graphics card, processor, chipset and OS. That's 4 items (there would be more). Lets be charitable and say there are only 10 different chipsets and OSs, 1000 different graphics cards and processors, in just our limited example, there are 1000x1000x10x10 different permutations, ie 100,000,000. It's a bit much!

So what they do is do the more common ones, and rely on people giving them specific information when there is a problem. The hardest thing to do as a developer is to fix a problem when you cannot replicate it. This helps them.

As much as I really really think that RoR is a bit of a buggy and unpolished release, and as much as I want them to fix the problems NOW! I do know that help is often needed (that being said, I hate the tendancy of devs to dismiss reported problems if a driver has not been updated, it feels like you have to prove that your worthy enough for them to consider your problem)

[zzbusch2]

Well, I guess I'll join the pile onto Turbine here. I just had two crashes exactly similar to the ones I had during Beta. I went into the Legendary place in Floodwend and had the NTDLL crash. Locked up solid. ctr-alt-del to get out. This needs to be fixed. I know they are trying. I hope they fix the quit game hang also. I've had this since ROI. It's not sooo bad because I'm leaving gameplat, but it does become a nuisance.

[cdq1958]

I am going to mention something here for people to think about, because this an anecdote. Whenever I have had serious stability issues with software, I have also had local problems. Things that I know that cause local stability problems include: failing power supply (these can be a real pain to pin down and very damaging to other components), failing motherboard, failing hard drive, failing memory sticks, failing keyboards, failing video cards, and failing network adapters. Things like memory leaks become more noticeable if you are having local hardware failing too. The trickiest ones to pin down sometimes are intermittent memory stick failures, whether they're main RAM or video card VRAM. I have had memory sticks pass MemTest runs still get gremlins randomly (probably heat related) when running software that pushes your local system resources. Again, I am not absolving Turbine of things under Turbine's control. Nevertheless, sometimes it does take detailed local machine data, which is not something Turbine will collect without your consent, to pinpoint random (to the people doing debugging) software faults. The more reproducible data they can get, the easier it gets to find and fix it.

[SuaronTehMighty]

maybe it's time to update the system requirements page:
http://www.lotro.com/getting-started...m-requirements

because nowhere does it state that the game requires the kind of hardware and software to run that people claim itt:

In order to fully experience the amazing world of Middle-earth you'll need to have a Windows PC that meets the following requirements:


Minimum System Requirements

O.S.: Windows® XP
Processor: Intel Pentium® 4 1.8 GHz or equivalent
RAM: 512MB
Video: 64MB NVIDIA GeForce® 3 or ATI® Radeon® 8500
Disk Space: 7GB available
DirectX: DirectX® 9.0c
Optical Drive: 2X DVD ROM
Connection: 56kbps Modem


Recommended System Requirements

O.S.: Windows® XP/Vista
Processor: Intel Pentium® 4 2.8 GHz or equivalent
RAM: 1GB
Video: 128MB NVIDIA GeForce® 6800 or ATI® Radeon® X850
Disk Space: 10GB available
DirectX: DirectX® 9.0c
Optical Drive: 2X DVD ROM
Connection: Broadband DSL/Cable

[Kongas]

Eh?
If you are on the server your client is the rohan client.

When people start telling me to roll back drivers or say the issue is with system ram and operating system i take that to be handwaving. But i take your point on terminology. All i want is for them to fix things not us to change our systems. I really don't think rohan is any more system intensive than anything that went before. Turbine expansions always have these same problems.

Anyway, they always fix them and i am enjoying rohan a great deal despite the tech issues.

[Petremir]

Turbine has data mines that cover every aspect of the game. They know just about everything about each and every individual player. My question is then why do they need to ask for detail from the users? They are supposedly the professionals. They wrote the code. The only responsibility the customer has is to let them know there's a problem.

Their data mines tell us what we are doing in the game, and are server side. They tell them nothing about the client that's not what they are looking for.

Thus they need to ask us as many details as possible to find out what's exactly appearing to happen at our ends and as much as possible about our current PC config to work out what's going wrong. If they don't they aren't even matures let alone professionals.

The customer has no reponsibility to do so but their grounds for complaint tumbles if they don't help.

[BlindLeaper]

Thank you for finally acknowledging the problem with 32 bit OSes. A shame that it took a full year for this to happen.

For everyone else, here's my one year old thread now giving a workaround for the 32 bit client crashes. This won't make your client bulletproof but it will help alleviate a lot of the crashes to desktop:

Thread: Workaround for Client Crash to Desktop in 32-bit Windows

I also give a link to a blog post in there where you can LEGALLY download the 64 bit version of Windows 7 .ISO if you're running Win 7 32 bit. Your key will legally work with it.

I have a desktop system running Windows XP 32-bit and i had previously used this workaround when RoI came out and i started crashing to desktop on random occasions, repeating pattern was that it always happened when i took a horse ride from Galtrev stablemaster to Nan Curunir.

After RoR came out i started crashing again, even though i had done this workaround to fix RoI crashing. I had /userva setting at 2176. I saw some people in this thread put a different number in to that setting, so i tried /userva 2900. Since that, haven't crashed a single time and i played several hours. Now, it doesn't even crash when i quit, which it always did even with /userva 2176 setting.

Edit: Also, i'm using the latest Nvidia drivers without the nView software running on the background.

[Eorin]

In order to fully experience the amazing world of Middle-earth you'll need to have a Windows PC that meets the following requirements:


Minimum System Requirements

O.S.: Windows® XP
Processor: Intel Pentium® 4 1.8 GHz or equivalent
RAM: 512MB
Video: 64MB NVIDIA GeForce® 3 or ATI® Radeon® 8500
Disk Space: 7GB available
DirectX: DirectX® 9.0c
Optical Drive: 2X DVD ROM
Connection: 56kbps Modem


Recommended System Requirements

O.S.: Windows® XP/Vista
Processor: Intel Pentium® 4 2.8 GHz or equivalent
RAM: 1GB
Video: 128MB NVIDIA GeForce® 6800 or ATI® Radeon® X850
Disk Space: 10GB available
DirectX: DirectX® 9.0c
Optical Drive: 2X DVD ROM
Connection: Broadband DSL/Cable

I do run it very stable with:

Win XP Pro
Intel Core CPU T5600 @ 1,83GHz
RAM 2GB
NVIDIA Quadro NVS 110M 256MB
External USB disk
DX 9.0c

but this one suxx and crashes alot:

Win 7 64 bit Home Premium
AMD Phenom 9650 2,3ghz
RAM 4GB
ATI XFX 4890 1 GB
SSD 120 GB
DX 10/9

[ChromiteSwiftpaw]

I have a desktop system running Windows XP 32-bit and i had previously used this workaround when RoI came out and i started crashing to desktop on random occasions, repeating pattern was that it always happened when i took a horse ride from Galtrev stablemaster to Nan Curunir.

After RoR came out i started crashing again, even though i had done this workaround to fix RoI crashing. I had /userva setting at 2176. I saw some people in this thread put a different number in to that setting, so i tried /userva 2900. Since that, haven't crashed a single time and i played several hours. Now, it doesn't even crash when i quit, which it always did even with /userva 2176 setting.

Edit: Also, i'm using the latest Nvidia drivers without the nView software running on the background.

Yeah, the original number I used was for when RoI was first released. It would usually stay under that number. It gradually crept up though with the release of the Great River. If you had looked further down in my thread I had posted some updated numbers to use. (I can't edit the main post - it won't let me submit it)

[Cenriel]

Windows xp - 32 bit
ATI video card
Did NOT purchase RoR

Unable to get past the character selection screen - I continuously crash this has been happening for several days now - I can't even get into the game - I just crash with the typical client crash message it has to close do you want to send the report to microsoft.

I would really like this fixed because I literally have not been able to play the game at all since I can't get in.

[Salahn]

Since 8.0.2 I have still been experiencing a lot of random crashes to desktop and a drop in performance (lower FPS and stuttery), before 8.0.2 I would crash occasionally but no where near as often as now.

The headset i use is USB and doesn't have any available drivers so can not be updated (as asked to by tech support)

DX-diag

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System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 10/25/2012, 02:33:30
       Machine name: HOME
   Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.120821-1629)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 03/26/08 09:56:07 Ver: 08.00.12
          Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+,  MMX,  3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
             Memory: 2048MB RAM
          Page File: 622MB used, 4351MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
  DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
          Music Tab: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.
        Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D:    0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
---------------
        Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
     Manufacturer: NVIDIA
        Chip type: GeForce 8800 GT
         DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
       Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611&SUBSYS_2AB0107D&REV_A2
   Display Memory: 512.0 MB
     Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
          Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
  Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
      Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
   Driver Version: 6.14.0013.0681 (English)
      DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
 Driver Date/Size: 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 4494208 bytes
      WHQL Logo'd: Yes
  WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
              VDD: n/a
         Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 12557728 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-4551-11CF-6471-BD0A03C2CB35}
        Vendor ID: 0x10DE
        Device ID: 0x0611
        SubSys ID: 0x2AB0107D
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Revision ID: 0x00A2
      Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
 Deinterlace Caps: {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}:  Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}:  Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}:  Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}:  Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}:  Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}:  Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}:  Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}:  Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0)  Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY  DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
         Registry: OK
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
 D3D7 Test Result: Not run
 D3D8 Test Result: Not run
 D3D9 Test Result: Not run

-------------
Sound Devices
-------------
            Description: Gioteck EX-05 Headset
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: USB\Vid_25f0&Pid_e511&Rev_0100&MI_00
        Manufacturer ID: 65535
             Product ID: 65535
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: usbaudio.sys
         Driver Version: 5.01.2600.5512 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 4/13/2008 19:45:12, 60032 bytes
            Other Files:
        Driver Provider: Microsoft
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF5F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 0, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
               Registry: OK
      Sound Test Result: Not run

---------------------
Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
            Description: Gioteck EX-05 Headset
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: usbaudio.sys
         Driver Version: 5.01.2600.5512 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 4/13/2008 19:45:12, 60032 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x41
           Format Flags: 0x440

-----------
DirectMusic
-----------
        DLS Path: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\drivers\GM.DLS
     DLS Version: 1.00.0016.0002
    Acceleration: n/a
           Ports: Microsoft Synthesizer, Software (Not Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal, Default Port
                  USB Audio Device, Software (Kernel Mode), Output, DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft MIDI Mapper [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
                  Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth [Emulated], Hardware (Not Kernel Mode), Output, No DLS, Internal
        Registry: OK
     Test Result: Not run

-------------------
DirectInput Devices
-------------------
      Device Name: Mouse
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Gioteck EX-05 Headset
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x25F0, 0xE511
        FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No
         Registry: OK

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USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x10DE, 0x03F1
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/13/2008 19:45:37, 59520 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 8/4/2004 13:00:00, 4736 bytes
|
+-+ Logitech USB MX510 Optical Mouse
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC01D
| | Location: USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse
| | Matching Device ID: usb\vid_046d&pid_c01d
| | Service: LHidUsb
| | Driver: LHidUsb.sys, 12/11/2003 09:50:00, 37916 bytes
| |
| +-+ HID-compliant MX510 Optical Mouse
| | | Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC01D
| | | Matching Device ID: hid\vid_046d&pid_c01d
| | | Upper Filters: LMouFlt2
| | | Lower Filters: LHidFlt2
| | | Service: mouhid
| | | Driver: mouhid.sys, 8/17/2001 13:48:00, 12160 bytes
| | | Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 19:39:48, 23040 bytes
| | | Driver: LHidFlt2.Sys, 12/11/2003 09:50:00, 25630 bytes
| | | Driver: LMouFlt2.Sys, 12/11/2003 09:50:00, 70894 bytes
| | | Driver: Logi_MwX.Exe, 12/11/2003 09:50:00, 20992 bytes

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Gameport Devices
----------------

------------
PS/2 Devices
------------
+ Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 4/13/2008 20:18:00, 52480 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 19:39:47, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/14/2008 01:13:20, 40840 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 4/13/2008 19:39:47, 24576 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/14/2008 01:13:20, 40840 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 4/13/2008 19:39:48, 23040 bytes

----------------------------
DirectPlay Service Providers
----------------------------
DirectPlay8 Modem Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
DirectPlay8 IPX Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider - Registry: OK, File: dpnet.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
Internet TCP/IP Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
IPX Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpwsockx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
Modem Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)
Serial Connection For DirectPlay - Registry: OK, File: dpmodemx.dll (5.03.2600.5512)

DirectPlay Voice Wizard Tests: Full Duplex: Passed, Half Duplex: Passed, Mic: Passed
DirectPlay Test Result: Not run
Registry: OK

-------------------
DirectPlay Adapters
-------------------
DirectPlay8 Serial Service Provider: COM1
DirectPlay8 TCP/IP Service Provider: Virgin Media - IPv4 -

-----------------------
DirectPlay Voice Codecs
-----------------------
Voxware VR12 1.4kbit/s
Voxware SC06 6.4kbit/s
Voxware SC03 3.2kbit/s
MS-PCM 64 kbit/s
MS-ADPCM 32.8 kbit/s
Microsoft GSM 6.10 13 kbit/s
TrueSpeech(TM) 8.6 kbit/s

-------------------------
DirectPlay Lobbyable Apps
-------------------------

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
      Drive: C:
 Free Space: 21.3 GB
Total Space: 76.3 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: ST380817AS

      Drive: D:
 Free Space: 36.0 GB
Total Space: 76.3 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD800JD-75MSA3

      Drive: E:
      Model: SONY DVD-ROM DDU1613
     Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:40:46, 62976 bytes

--------------
System Devices
--------------
     Name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0611&SUBSYS_2AB0107D&REV_A2\4&52EDC45&0&0048
   Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Drs\dbInstaller.exe, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 182272 bytes
   Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\Drs\nvdrsdb.bin, 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 1061768 bytes
   Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA  Corporation\CPLInstallerCache\NvCplSetupInt.exe, 1.00.0001.0000  (English), 8/30/2012 20:10:00, 77513736 bytes
   Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\license.txt, 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 21892 bytes
   Driver: C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\OpenCL\OpenCL.dll, 1.00.0000.0000 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 65536 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nv4_mini.sys, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 12557728 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nv4_disp.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 4494208 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvapi.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 2376704 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcompiler.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 17551360 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcuda.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 7446528 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcuvenc.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 1866088 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvcuvid.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 2578792 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdata.data, 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 2811988 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvinfo.pb, 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 12210 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvoglnt.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 19103744 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvopencl.dll, 6.14.0013.0681 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 5947392 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdispco32.dll, 2.00.0026.0004 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 1009512 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvdispgenco32.dll, 2.00.0015.0002 (English), 9/23/2012 15:28:00, 888168 bytes

     Name: NVIDIA MCP61 Serial ATA Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F6&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&41
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvata.sys, 5.10.2600.0692 (English), 10/18/2006 08:31:38, 105472 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\idecoi.dll, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 10/18/2006 08:31:40, 363008 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\idecoiins.dll, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 10/18/2006 08:31:40, 363008 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\NVCOI.DLL, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 10/5/2006 08:35:54, 35840 bytes

     Name: NVIDIA MCP61 Serial ATA Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F6&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&40
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvata.sys, 5.10.2600.0692 (English), 10/18/2006 08:31:38, 105472 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\idecoi.dll, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 10/18/2006 08:31:40, 363008 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\idecoiins.dll, 1.00.0000.0001 (English), 10/18/2006 08:31:40, 363008 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\NVCOI.DLL, 1.00.0000.0035 (English), 10/5/2006 08:35:54, 35840 bytes

     Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F5&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&0A
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F3&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&20
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:36:44, 68224 bytes

     Name: Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F2&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&11
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:45:35, 30208 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:45:36, 143872 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/14/2008 01:12:08, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:45:37, 59520 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\hccoin.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/14/2008 01:11:54, 7168 bytes

     Name: Standard OpenHCD USB Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F1&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&10
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbohci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:45:35, 17152 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:45:36, 143872 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\usbui.dll, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/14/2008 01:12:08, 74240 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:45:37, 59520 bytes

     Name: Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03F0&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&28
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\hdaudbus.sys, 5.10.0001.5013 (English), 4/13/2008 17:36:05, 144384 bytes

     Name: NVIDIA Network Bus Enumerator
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03EF&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&38
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvnetbus.sys, 7.03.0001.7330 (English), 1/1/2000 01:00:00, 13824 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvnrm.sys, 7.03.0001.7330 (English), 1/1/2000 01:00:00, 212224 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvsnpu.sys, 1.00.0002.6533 (English), 9/27/2006 15:03:30, 261632 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\nvtcp.sys, 1.00.0003.6533 (English), 9/27/2006 15:04:02, 110592 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\bdco1.dll, 2.02.0000.7330 (English), 1/1/2000 01:00:00, 11264 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\bdco1ins.dll, 2.02.0000.7330 (English), 1/1/2000 01:00:00, 11264 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvconrm.dll, 1.09.0008.0093 (English), 1/1/2000 01:00:00, 207464 bytes

     Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03EC&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&30
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciidex.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:40:29, 24960 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\atapi.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:40:30, 96512 bytes
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pciide.sys, 5.01.2600.0000 (English), 8/4/2004 13:00:00, 3328 bytes

     Name: NVIDIA nForce PCI System Management
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03EB&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&09
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI standard RAM Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03EA&SUBSYS_82341043&REV_A1\3&267A616A&0&00
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03E9&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&60
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:36:44, 68224 bytes

     Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03E9&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&58
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:36:44, 68224 bytes

     Name: PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03E8&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&48
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:36:44, 68224 bytes

     Name: PCI standard ISA bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_03E0&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A2\3&267A616A&0&08
   Driver: C:\WINDOWS\system32\DRIVERS\isapnp.sys, 5.01.2600.5512 (English), 4/13/2008 19:36:41, 37248 bytes

     Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1103&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C3
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1102&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C2
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1101&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C1
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI standard host CPU bridge
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1022&DEV_1100&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00\3&267A616A&0&C0
   Driver: n/a

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DirectX Components
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   ddraw.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 279552 bytes
 ddrawex.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 27136 bytes
   dxapi.sys: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 10496 bytes
    d3d8.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 1179648 bytes
 d3d8thk.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 8192 bytes
    d3d9.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 1689088 bytes
   d3dim.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 436224 bytes
d3dim700.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 824320 bytes
 d3dramp.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 590336 bytes
   d3drm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 350208 bytes
  d3dxof.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 47616 bytes
d3dpmesh.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 34816 bytes
   dplay.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 33040 bytes
  dplayx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 229888 bytes
dpmodemx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 23552 bytes
 dpwsock.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 42768 bytes
dpwsockx.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 57344 bytes
dplaysvr.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:17 29696 bytes
  dpnsvr.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:17 17920 bytes
   dpnet.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 375296 bytes
dpnlobby.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:09:20 3072 bytes
 dpnaddr.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:09:19 3072 bytes
 dpvoice.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 212480 bytes
dpvsetup.exe: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:18 83456 bytes
  dpvvox.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 116736 bytes
  dpvacm.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 21504 bytes
dpnhpast.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 35328 bytes
dpnhupnp.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 60928 bytes
dpserial.dll: 5.00.2134.0001 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 53520 bytes
  dinput.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 158720 bytes
 dinput8.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 181760 bytes
   dimap.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 44032 bytes
diactfrm.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 394240 bytes
     joy.cpl: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:41 68608 bytes
   gcdef.dll: 5.01.2600.0000 English Final Retail 8/4/2004 13:00:00 76800 bytes
     pid.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:02 35328 bytes
gameenum.sys: 5.01.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 19:45:29 10624 bytes
  dsound.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 367616 bytes
dsound3d.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 1293824 bytes
  dswave.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 19456 bytes
   dsdmo.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 181248 bytes
dsdmoprp.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 71680 bytes
  dmusic.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 104448 bytes
  dmband.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 28672 bytes
dmcompos.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 61440 bytes
   dmime.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 181248 bytes
dmloader.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 35840 bytes
 dmstyle.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 105984 bytes
 dmsynth.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 103424 bytes
dmscript.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 82432 bytes
  system.dll: 1.01.4322.2494 English Final Retail 5/25/2012 14:25:06 1232896 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3D.dll: 9.05.0132.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:52 473600 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 5.04.0000.3900 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:44 2676224 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.04.0091.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:45 2846720 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.05.0132.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:46 563712 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.06.0168.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:47 567296 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.07.0239.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:47 576000 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.08.0299.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:48 577024 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.09.0376.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:49 577536 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.10.0455.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:49 577536 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.11.0519.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:50 578560 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Direct3DX.dll: 9.12.0589.0000 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:53 578560 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectDraw.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:54 145920 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectInput.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:54 159232 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectPlay.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:54 364544 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.DirectSound.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:55 178176 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.AudioVideoPlayback.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:52 53248 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.Diagnostics.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:52 12800 bytes
Microsoft.DirectX.dll: 5.04.0000.2904 English Final Retail 9/7/2012 21:09:51 223232 bytes
   dx7vb.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 619008 bytes
   dx8vb.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 1227264 bytes
 dxdiagn.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 2113536 bytes
   mfc40.dll: 4.01.0000.6151 English Beta Retail 9/18/2010 07:53:25 954368 bytes
   mfc42.dll: 6.02.8081.0000 English Final Retail 2/8/2011 14:33:55 978944 bytes
 wsock32.dll: 5.01.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:10 22528 bytes
amstream.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:49 70656 bytes
 devenum.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:51 59904 bytes
  dxmasf.dll: 6.04.0009.1133 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:52 498742 bytes
mciqtz32.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:56 35328 bytes
 mpg2splt.ax: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 148992 bytes
   msdmo.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:59 14336 bytes
  encapi.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:53 20480 bytes
    qasf.dll: 11.00.5721.5145 English Final Retail 10/18/2006 21:47:18 211456 bytes
    qcap.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:03 192512 bytes
     qdv.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:03 279040 bytes
    qdvd.dll: 6.05.2600.6169 English Final Retail 11/3/2011 16:28:36 386048 bytes
   qedit.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:03 562176 bytes
qedwipes.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 18:21:32 733696 bytes
  quartz.dll: 6.05.2600.6169 English Final Retail 11/3/2011 16:28:36 1292288 bytes
 strmdll.dll: 4.01.0000.3938 English Final Retail 8/26/2009 09:00:21 247326 bytes
 iac25_32.ax: 2.00.0005.0053 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 199680 bytes
  ir41_32.ax: 4.51.0016.0003 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 848384 bytes
 ir41_qc.dll: 4.30.0062.0002 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:55 120320 bytes
ir41_qcx.dll: 4.30.0064.0001 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:55 338432 bytes
 ir50_32.dll: 5.2562.0015.0055 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:55 755200 bytes
 ir50_qc.dll: 5.00.0063.0048 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:55 200192 bytes
ir50_qcx.dll: 5.00.0064.0048 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:55 183808 bytes
   ivfsrc.ax: 5.10.0002.0051 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 154624 bytes
mswebdvd.dll: 6.05.2600.5857 English Final Retail 8/5/2009 10:01:48 204800 bytes
      ks.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 20:16:36 141056 bytes
  ksproxy.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 129536 bytes
  ksuser.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:11:56 4096 bytes
  stream.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 19:45:16 49408 bytes
mspclock.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 19:39:50 5376 bytes
   mspqm.sys: 5.01.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 19:39:51 4992 bytes
 mskssrv.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 19:39:52 7552 bytes
  swenum.sys: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/13/2008 19:39:53 4352 bytes
mpeg2data.ax: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 118272 bytes
msvidctl.dll: 6.05.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:01 1428992 bytes
  vbisurf.ax: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:42 30208 bytes
   msyuv.dll: 5.03.2600.5908 English Final Retail 11/27/2009 18:11:44 17920 bytes
wstdecod.dll: 5.03.2600.5512 English Final Retail 4/14/2008 01:12:10 50688 bytes

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DirectShow Filters
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DirectShow Filters:
WMAudio Decoder DMO,0x00800800,1,1,,
WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMA Voice Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
Mpeg4s Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
WMV Screen decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
WMVideo Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg43 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg4 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
WMT MuxDeMux Filter,0x00200000,0,0,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
FunUnify Audio Trnas Filter,0x00200000,1,1,FunCodecFilter.ax,1.00.0000.0001
Full Screen Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
DV Muxer,0x00400000,0,0,qdv.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Color Space Converter,0x00400001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
WM ASF Reader,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmpsrcwp.dll,11.00.5721.5145
AVI Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
WMT AudioAnalyzer,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
VGA 16 Color Ditherer,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Indeo® video 5.10 Compression Filter,0x00200000,1,1,ir50_32.dll,5.2562.0015.0055
FunUnify Async Filter,0x00600000,0,0,FunCodecFilter.ax,1.00.0000.0001
Windows Media Audio Decoder,0x00800001,1,1,msadds32.ax,8.00.0000.4487
AC3 Parser Filter,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.05.2600.5512
WMT Format Conversion,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
StreamBufferSink,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.05.2600.6076
WMT Black Frame Generator,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
MJPEG Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Indeo® video 5.10 Decompression Filter,0x00640000,1,1,ir50_32.dll,5.2562.0015.0055
WMT Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
Microsoft Screen Video Decompressor,0x00800000,1,1,msscds32.ax,8.00.0000.4487
MPEG-I Stream Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
SAMI (CC) Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
MPEG Layer-3 Decoder,0x00810000,1,1,l3codecx.ax,1.06.0000.0052
MPEG-2 Splitter,0x005fffff,1,0,mpg2splt.ax,6.05.2600.5512
ACELP.net Sipro Lab Audio Decoder,0x00800001,1,1,acelpdec.ax,1.04.0000.0000
Internal Script Command Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
MPEG Audio Decoder,0x03680001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
File Source (Netshow URL),0x00400000,0,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
WMT Import Filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
DV Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,qdv.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Bitmap Generate,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
Windows Media Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,wmvds32.ax,3.00.0000.3433
Video Mixing Renderer 9,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,
Windows Media Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,wmv8ds32.ax,8.00.0000.0340
WMT VIH2 Fix,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
Record Queue,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
Windows Media Multiplexer,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASX file Parser,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASX v.2 file Parser,0x00600000,1,0,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
NSC file Parser,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ACM Wrapper,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Windows Media source filter,0x00600000,0,2,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Frame Eater,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
MPEG-2 Video Stream Analyzer,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.05.2600.6076
FunUnify Codec Filter,0x00600000,0,0,FunCodecFilter.ax,1.00.0000.0001
Line 21 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,qdvd.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
WST Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,wstdecod.dll,5.03.2600.5512
Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
WMT Sample Information Filter,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,5.03.2600.5512
Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Decompressor,0x00800000,1,1,mpg4ds32.ax,8.00.0000.4504
File writer,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
WMT Log Filter,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
WMT Virtual Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
DVD Navigator,0x00200000,0,2,qdvd.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Overlay Mixer2,0x00400000,1,1,qdvd.dll,6.05.2600.6169
AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
.RAM file Parser,0x00600000,1,0,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
WMT DirectX Transform Wrapper,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
G.711 Codec,0x00200000,1,1,g711codc.ax,5.01.2600.0000
MPEG-2 Demultiplexer,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.05.2600.5512
DV Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,qdv.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Indeo® audio software,0x00500000,1,1,iac25_32.ax,2.00.0005.0053
Windows Media Update Filter,0x00400000,1,0,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF DIB Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF ACM Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF ICM Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF URL Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF JPEG Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF DJPEG Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
ASF embedded stuff Handler,0x00600000,1,1,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
9x8Resize,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
WIA Stream Snapshot Filter,0x00200000,1,1,wiasf.ax,1.00.0000.0000
FunUnify Encoder Filter,0x00200000,0,0,FunCodecFilter.ax,1.00.0000.0001
FunUnify Video Trans Filter,0x00200000,1,1,FunCodecFilter.ax,1.00.0000.0001
Allocator Fix,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
SampleGrabber,0x00200000,1,1,qedit.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,qedit.dll,6.05.2600.5512
WMT Virtual Source,0x00200000,0,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x005fffff,1,0,mpeg2data.ax,
WMT Interlacer,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
StreamBufferSource,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.05.2600.6076
Smart Tee,0x00200000,1,2,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Overlay Mixer,0x00200000,0,0,qdvd.dll,6.05.2600.6169
AVI Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Uncompressed Domain Shot Detection Filter,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
KTF MUSIC VoD Sourcer,0x00200000,0,1,npsvsrc.dll,1.00.0008.0708
SubPicture Filter,0x00200000,0,1,NPSSubPicture.dll,1.00.0000.0001
AVI/WAV File Source,0x00400000,0,2,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
KTF MUSIC Audio Effector,0x00200000,1,1,npsaef.dll,1.01.0008.0708
QuickTime Movie Parser,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Wave Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Multi-file Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
File stream renderer,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
XML Playlist,0x00400000,1,0,wmpasf.dll,11.00.5721.5145
KTF MUSIC VoD WMT Splitter,0x00200000,1,1,npsvwms.dll,1.01.0008.0708
KTF MUSIC MPEG Splitter,0x00200000,0,1,npsmpgs.dll,1.00.0008.0708
KTF MUSIC Audio Decoder,0x00200000,1,1,npsadec.dll,1.00.0008.0708
KTF MUSIC AoD Sourcer,0x00600000,0,1,npsasrc.dll,1.00.0008.0708
KTF MUSIC VoD Video Effector,0x00200000,1,1,npsvve.dll,1.00.0008.0708
KTF MUSIC AoD WMT Splitter,0x00200000,1,1,npsawms.dll,1.00.0008.0708
KTF MUSIC VoD Audio Effector,0x00200000,1,1,npsvae.dll,1.00.0008.0708
Moto Image Decoder Filter,0x00600000,0,0,NPSImgFilter.ax,1.00.0000.0001
AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Line 21 Decoder 2,0x00600002,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
File Source (URL),0x00400000,0,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
WMT DV Extract,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
WMT Switch Filter,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
WMT Volume,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
Stretch Video,0x00200000,1,1,wmm2filt.dll,2.01.4026.0000
Infinite Pin Tee Filter,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
QT Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Indeo® video 4.4 Decompression Filter,0x00640000,1,1,ir41_32.ax,4.51.0016.0003
Indeo® video 4.4 Compression Filter,0x00200000,1,1,ir41_32.ax,4.51.0016.0003

WDM Streaming Data Transforms:
Microsoft Kernel Acoustic Echo Canceller,0x00000000,0,0,,
Microsoft Kernel GS Wavetable Synthesizer,0x00200000,1,1,,5.03.2600.5512
Microsoft Kernel DLS Synthesizer,0x00200000,1,1,,5.03.2600.5512
Microsoft Kernel DRM Audio Descrambler,0x00200000,1,1,,5.03.2600.5512

Video Compressors:
WMVideo8 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MSScreen encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo9 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MSScreen 9 encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,qdv.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Indeo® video 5.10 Compression Filter,0x00100000,1,1,ir50_32.dll,5.2562.0015.0055
MJPEG Compressor,0x00200000,0,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Cinepak Codec by Radius,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Fraps Video Decompressor,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Intel 4:2:0 Video V2.50,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Intel Indeo(R) Video R3.2,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Intel Indeo® Video 4.5,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Indeo® video 5.10,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Microsoft H.261 Video Codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Microsoft H.263 Video Codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Microsoft RLE,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512
Microsoft Video 1,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512

Audio Compressors:
WMA Voice Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WM Speech Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMAudio Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
IAC2,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
IMA ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
PCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Microsoft ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
ACELP.net,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
DSP Group TrueSpeech(TM),0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Windows Media Audio V1,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Windows Media Audio V2,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
GSM 6.10,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Microsoft G.723.1,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
CCITT A-Law,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
CCITT u-Law,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
MPEG Layer-3,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169

Audio Capture Sources:
Gioteck EX-05 Headset,0x00200000,0,0,qcap.dll,6.05.2600.5512

Midi Renderers:
Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169

WDM Streaming Capture Devices:
USB Audio Device,0x00200000,2,2,,5.03.2600.5512

WDM Streaming Rendering Devices:
USB Audio Device,0x00200000,2,2,,5.03.2600.5512

BDA Transport Information Renderers:
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x00600000,1,0,mpeg2data.ax,

WDM Streaming Mixer Devices:
Microsoft Kernel Wave Audio Mixer,0x00000000,0,0,,

BDA CP/CA Filters:
Decrypt/Tag,0x00600000,1,0,encdec.dll,6.05.2600.6161
Encrypt/Tag,0x00200000,0,0,encdec.dll,6.05.2600.6161
XDS Codec,0x00200000,0,0,encdec.dll,6.05.2600.6161

Audio Renderers:
Gioteck EX-05 Headset,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Default DirectSound Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
Default WaveOut Device,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169
DirectSound: Gioteck EX-05 Headset,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.05.2600.6169

WDM Streaming System Devices:
USB Audio Device,0x00200000,3,2,,5.03.2600.5512

UserPreference.ini

[Misc]
PlayedIntroMovie=True
TooltipEnable=True
TooltipDelay=0.00
[International]
UseIME=False
[Display]
SyncToRefresh=True
AllowWindowResizing=True
WindowedResolution=1920x1080
ConfineFullScreenMouseCursor=True
AllowFakeFullScreen=True
ForceFakeFullScreen=False
FullScreen=True
RefreshRate=60hz
TripleBuffering=False
AllowDesktopCompositing=False
Antialiasing=Disabled
Resolution=1920x1080
FixedOutputScaling=Default
[Sound]
AmbientVolume=0.09
SoundVolume=0.10
DMTextVolume=0.10
SoundProvider=OpenAL
CombatVolume=0.10
MaxPlayingSounds=22
MusicVolume=0.04
SoundFeatures=Generic Software on Gioteck EX-05 Headset
UIVolume=0.35
EAXEnabled=False
PlayerMusicVolume=0.22
VOVolume=0.50
SoundDisabled=False
MusicDisabled=False
MasterVolume=0.90
PersistentSound=False
DefaultVolume=1.00
QuantizedPlayerMusicVolume=0.22
SFXVolume=0.14
FocusBehavior=Disable Sound
[WebBrowser]
HttpsProxyPort=0
HttpProxyPort=0
HttpProxyHost=
InitialConfigDone=True
HttpsProxyHost=
[Render]
MemoryUsage=0.50
ModelDetail=High
EnvironmentStencilShadows=True
OverbrightBloomFilter=False
BlobShadows=True
VideoPostEffects=True
FarLandscapeNormalMaps=True
GraphicsCore=D3D9
Contrast=1.10
SurfaceReflections=High
AmbientOcclusion=True
BlurFilterQuality=High
MaterialDetail=High
D3DVersionPromptedForAtStartup=0
DistantImposters=True
AllowGammaChanges=True
InteractiveWater=Medium
GlowMapping=True
AnimationDetail=High
ObjectDrawDistance=High
TextureDetail=High
AtmosphericsDetail=Medium
AnisotropicQuality=4
MultiPassLighting=True
AmbientLightBoost=0.50
MaxHardwareClass=0
Brightness=1.00
BloomIntensity=0.98
LandscapeLightingQuality=High
ShadowMapQuality=1
LandscapeStaticObjectShadows=Disabled
DisplayAdapter=0
PlayerCrowdQuality=0.30
FrillDistance=Disabled
HavePromptedForD3D10AtStartup=False
EnablePortraits=True
SpecularLighting=True
LandscapeShoreEffects=High
TextureFiltering=Sharp
AlphaToCoverage=False
StencilShadows=High
MeshCombining=True
AspectRatio=Auto
LandscapeDrawDistance=High
Gamma=1.10
VolumetricLight=True
[Input]
TurnKeySpeed=150.00
InvertMouseLookYAxis=False
MouseLookSensitivity=0.30
JoystickDeadZone=0.25
PitchKeySpeed=60.00
MouseLookSmoothingAmount=0.00
RollKeySpeed=60.00
RemoteMouse=False
[Voice]
DevicePlayback=BD6DD71A-3DEB-11D1-B171-00C04FC20000
DeviceCapture=BD6DD71B-3DEB-11D1-B171-00C04FC20000
MicVolume=0.94
NetworkLatencyThresh=100
HandsFree=False
MicCaptureThreshold=0.00
VoiceVolume=1.00
[Camera]
AlignToSlope=False
ResetYawWhenPlayerMoves=False
[Net]
BindInterface=
ComputeUniquePort=True
ConnectionSpeed=0.00
UserSpecifiedPort=0
[Troubleshooting]
MaximumFrameRate=121
EngineSpeed=VeryHigh
[HttpProxy]
HttpProxy=
HttpProxyBypass=
HttpProxyAccess=preconfig
HttpProxyAuthenticate=False
HttpProxyUsername=
HttpProxyPassword=
[UI]
FloatyTextScale=1.00
MapQuestListXScreenPercentage=0.00
FloatyTextOnTop=False
MapQuestListYScreenPercentage=0.68
BankRepositoryCharacterItemDisplayShowText=True
BankRepositoryAccountItemDisplayShowText=True
StatTreeShowAllStats=True
MountAppearanceShowPlayerMounted=True
[CullSystem]
UseHardwareOcclusion=False

Crash Report

Crash Report For lotroclient.exe
Created by using WinCrashReport
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/application_crash_report.html



General Exception Information:
Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP  Service Pack 3  (5.1.2600)
Report Time: 25/10/2012 02:41:50
Process Filename: D:\Program Files\Turbine\The Lord of the Rings Online\lotroclient.exe
Process ID: 1096
Thread ID: 1396
Process Description:
Process Version: 03.08.00.8029
Process Company: Turbine, Inc.
Product Name: lotroclient
Product Version: 03.08.00.8029 u08
Crash Address: 7C93D053
Crash Address (Relative): ntdll.dll!RtlDeleteAce+0x50ba
Exception Code: C0000017
Exception Description: {Not Enough Quota}
Not enough virtual memory or paging file quota is available to complete the specified operation.

Exception Parameter (1): 01CBA998
Crash Code Bytes:
64 A1 18 00 00 00 89 85 58 FE FF FF 8B 4D A8 89
88 F4 0B 00 00 64 A1 18 00 00 00 8B F8 89 BD 50
FE FF FF 51 E8 B1 25 FD FF 89 47 34 83 65 D0 00
E9 CC 41 FD FF 90 90 90 90 90 8B 75 CC E9 62 40


Strings in the stack:
0845B278 7C97EEE8 -> chrome.exe
0845B2EC 7C97E2C8 -> <E'
0845B3B8 64D226B4 -> jscript9.dll
0845B694 6A84E908 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32\dwwin.exe
0845B714 6C57A010 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32
0845B944 0845BA34 -> dwwin.exe
0845C0CC 0845C10C -> 14895754-839522115-1004
0845C0D8 0845C0E0 -> S-1-5-21-1606980848-1614895754-839522115-1004
0845C0DC 0845C308 -> nd Settings\Simon\Local 썔ࡅ돌矝D
0845C13C 7C97EF02 -> stem32\dwwin.exe
0845C198 77DDCFA8 -> %HKEY_CURRENT_USER
0845C19C 1C122BE8 -> C:\Documents and Settings\Simon\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\OLK*
0845C3D0 0845CBEC -> win.exe
0845C698 64D22684 -> escript.api
0845C838 0845CBC0 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32\dwwin.exe
0845CB4C 0845D8B8 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32\dwwin.exe -x -s 7428
0845CBAC 0845CBE8 -> dwwin.exe
0845CFF4 0845DE08 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32
0845D000 0845D8F2 ->  -x -s 7428
0845D248 7FFDAC00 -> advapi32.dll
0845D388 7C8818C0 -> ntdll.dll
0845D450 0845D660 -> 7428
0845D5B4 0F7A35E8 -> kernel32.dll
0845D930 7F6F2190 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32
0845D950 0845F0F0 -> lotroclient.exe
0845D9AC 0845EF80 -> watson.microsoft.com
0845D9D0 0845D9F8 -> C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll
0845DB90 0845DC00 -> lotroclient
0845DE74 4FDD0334 -> NTDLL.DLL
0845DEC0 7C9262D6 -> Derefcount
0845DF40 6B257EC0 -> re determined by the access rights of the user.
0845DF90 0845F08A -> Program Files\Turbine\The Lord of the Rings Online\lotroclient.exe
0845DFAC 0845F084 -> D:\Program Files\Turbine\The Lord of the Rings Online\lotroclient.exe
0845DFB8 6B257E90 -> Software access rights are determined by the access rights of the user.
0845DFC4 0845DFFC -> Turbine
0845DFC8 0F71E038 -> \Control\DeviceClasses
0845E270 0845E562 -> watson.microsoft.com
0845EDBC 71AB02EF -> WS2HELP.dll
0845EDFC 0845F210 -> portFault
0845EE90 71A78E3E -> WS2HELP.dll
0845EE98 0845F100 -> ent.exe
0845EFE0 0845F0AC -> bine\The Lord of the Rings Online\lotroclient.exe
0845F004 0845EFF4 -> @d'
0845F140 0845F20E -> ReportFault
0845F1D8 64D2F8B8 -> winspool.drv
0845F2E4 0ED68104 -> {Not Enough Quota}
Not enough virtual memory or paging file quota is available to complete the specified operation.

[Rann_Drak]

So, no more words from Turbine about this?

I'm still crashing btw...

[Sapience]

We are continuing to look at this and we keep coming across more and more third party applications that appear to be invloved.

We've had recent reports that a URL 'fixer' tool that corrects your URL typos, may be causing some of these crashes. If you are using Sendori, or similar applications, we strongly encourage you to uninstall them and see if that resolves your issue.

Also, before you bother posting the popular "quit blaming us and fix it" reply, please note that every time we mention one of these fixes it's because it has resulted in a 100% fix those who reported it to us. There are more than a half dozen different things that players have reported to us as completely fixing the problem and none involved any changes to the client. Almost all were driver, plugin, or 3rd party application related.

[Galuhad]

There are more than a half dozen different things that players have reported to us as completely fixing the problem and none involved any changes to the client. Almost all were driver, plugin, or 3rd party application related.

Considering plugins only exist within the game client environment, any issues caused by them can be stemmed back to the client itself.

As someone who writes plugins I feel extremely irritated with the bad publicity they are getting from this. I know people in-game who are completely put off using them, and probably won't use them in future even if this issue get fixed.

It would be nice if someone at Turbine could post in the Lua thread what they are identifying to be the issues within the plugin system so we as authors can look into our work and make necessary adjustments. The last thing I want is players to suffer client crashes because of something I coded. Until such time as the plugin issue gets fixed I can at least try and sort things out a bit at my end.

[happycamper9]

Also, before you bother posting the popular "quit blaming us and fix it" reply, please note that every time we mention one of these fixes it's because it has resulted in a 100% fix those who reported it to us. There are more than a half dozen different things that players have reported to us as completely fixing the problem and none involved any changes to the client. Almost all were driver, plugin, or 3rd party application related.

You still dont get it.

I'm not trying to be argumentative with you but this comment is absolutely ridiculous. I would much rather hear that you are working on the issues as quickly as possible but instead we get more hand waving and finger pointing at your customer base that is experiencing issues. What's causing the memory leaks? What's causing the crash upon entering session plays? The bottom line is the client worked for most everyone BEFORE RoR. It now does not for a portion of your userbase. This issue has been there since day 1 of beta. The fact we are here still talking about it a couple weeks post launch is really pretty infuriating. Its quite sad reading Kin chat reading people logging back on after a clint crash. Its not just a few people Sir, its about 1/3 of out kin that running into problems like this.

As for plug ins YOU made changes to the client that caused conflicts with YOUR own LUA support system.

Just a cautious word of advice to you my friend. I would slow your roll with the finger pointing at your customer base. Many are ready to take their "faulty" computer systems and just go play other BRAND NEW games and expansions flawlessly. Your company has run out of equity with many in the playerbase long ago and the continued hand waving and failure to accept responsibility is really playing with fire.

[Sapience]

If the issue were 100% our code, then absolutely nothing any player did would fix it. Nothing. However, this is cleary not the case. It doesn't mean we aren't continuing to address other possible causes, but for those who wish to see the issues resolved and not just make angry posts we're commited to giving you the information as we find it.

With that said, as this thread has gone where I asked it not go, there is no need of it any longer.