Regarding WB killing pvp

[tnak]

Dear Sapience and co.
Please when you are closing a thread provide a reason other than "Violates community guidelines - CLOSED." Seeing as the community guidelines cannot be read and if you do not believe me, check it out yourself. Error 403. Just proves the thread previously known as "WB killed pvp" correct.

[Selebrimbor]

What guideline, exactly, was violated in that thread? Sapience said multiple were violated, but I couldn't find any.

[EmyrSelyf]

It worked for me.. probably just a tempoary thing.

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[MedullaAbShlonggata]

Lol, that's what I'm talking about though guys. Our points are being proven about them and their totalitarian nature. This is why I'm not playing anymore. You think that kind of attitude is gonna get anything done pvp wise? They aren't even willing to listen, but least they responded lol .

[SongSinger]

Turbine have shown time and again that they are unwilling to listen to criticism however it is phrased, even when they break promises, such as that for a new PvP map.

I think we can all gather from this just how (in)effective the upcoming player council is going to be with regard to Turbine taking on board player suggestions...

[Squelcher]

People seem surprised?

[Thorwyn99]

Ok you make a thread were you call the developers monkeys and more worthless than hamsters and you wonder why it's against community guidelines ? Really... really really ?

[Selebrimbor]

Ok you make a thread were you call the developers monkeys and more worthless than hamsters and you wonder why it's against community guidelines ? Really... really really ?

Lol wow. I must have missed that one. That makes sense then.

[Wartober]

Ok you make a thread were you call the developers monkeys and more worthless than hamsters and you wonder why it's against community guidelines ? Really... really really ?

Seriously. I mean there's only one hamster left and he's the one spinning the wheel that is powering 30 servers so umm, ya don't piss him off.

[Kromachine]

very fun to see some ppl to speak about the terms of use here.
we know the rules yes.the ban who take all that thousend accounts at 09 on mirkwood for expoid reasons from codemasters what was?fair?

and why the lotro developers dont make the bans in moria realease too who we play 6 months with full expoid and bugss?

of course the gaim fail every day,alla the old veterans we know that,because we see it.

so relax,tell your opinion free,dont troll,and if want to slourp someone,do it stealth.

[HampshireMick]

Yet again Turbine

Poor Performance

[SongSinger]

Yet again Turbine

Poor Performance

I wouldn't say they were even that good Az.

[Thorgrum]

Ok you make a thread were you call the developers monkeys and more worthless than hamsters and you wonder why it's against community guidelines ? Really... really really ?

for the record, when I was tro... doing this around the release of ROI I didnt wonder. The problem here is pretty simple, its perception based on lack of factual data. The assumption is they dont read threads, players cant prove that and via frustration begin to go off.

I thrive off the vitriol, watching a guy blow his gasket over lotro pvp is entertaining. Creating the environment by which you appear to blow your top is a little high brow on the troll scale for some of these rubes. The sad part is they are likely right, circumstantial evidence dosent always lead to a false conclusion.

[Thorwyn99]

for the record, when I was tro... doing this around the release of ROI I didnt wonder. The problem here is pretty simple, its perception based on lack of factual data. The assumption is they dont read threads, players cant prove that and via frustration begin to go off.

I thrive off the vitriol, watching a guy blow his gasket over lotro pvp is entertaining. Creating the environment by which you appear to blow your top is a little high brow on the troll scale for some of these rubes. The sad part is they are likely right, circumstantial evidence dosent always lead to a false conclusion.

I don't actually wonder why there is discontent. I even agree that pvp seems to be a very distant side note in turbines considerations.

I'm just amazed that people make threads like those two and expect a different outcome than what they had, and i'm also amazed that anyone would even debate flat out insulting someone(be it developer or player) would be inside community guidelines.
Unless it's all just trolling.

[Blindings]

I don't actually wonder why there is discontent. I even agree that pvp seems to be a very distant side note in turbines considerations.

I'm just amazed that people make threads like those two and expect a different outcome than what they had, and i'm also amazed that anyone would even debate flat out insulting someone(be it developer or player) would be inside community guidelines.
Unless it's all just trolling.

I've heard it all now thorgrim, you have to be a pretty sad and insecure individual if you take being called a hamster in real life terms serious even my 7 year old kid giggles when i call him a muppet or silly monkey, look at the previous post with terms and conditions and what your able to toll and call ppl, its more of an expression of how ppl are feeling with the game than a direct insult and who knows ( do you) maybe one of the developers actually looks like a hamster?

Anyway this diverts from the actual fact again that the developers are doing a shoddy job with lotro and again its in decline and the fact that are running forums with totalitarianism rule, any disagreement with how they perceive lotro will end in deleting or locking thread.

[Thorwyn99]

I've heard it all now thorgrim, you have to be a pretty sad and insecure individual if you take being called a hamster in real life terms serious even my 7 year old kid giggles when i call him a muppet or silly monkey, look at the previous post with terms and conditions and what your able to toll and call ppl, its more of an expression of how ppl are feeling with the game than a direct insult and who knows ( do you) maybe one of the developers actually looks like a hamster?

Anyway this diverts from the actual fact again that the developers are doing a shoddy job with lotro and again its in decline and the fact that are running forums with totalitarianism rule, any disagreement with how they perceive lotro will end in deleting or locking thread.

Lol you really don't get it do you ?

[eois]

Same happens with bans, thy say you violated something but never give the specific reason or state the exact words you used, which just leaves you in the dark.

[Sapience]

Same happens with bans, thy say you violated something but never give the specific reason or state the exact words you used, which just leaves you in the dark.

Actually this is completely untrue. Every infraction on these forums carries with it a PM that is sent that states, clearly, what rule was violated. Oftentimes there is a secondary comment from the person issuing the infraction as well.

One of the primary reasons we have a rule prohibiting the discussion of disciplinary or moderation activities is because players are free to post whatever they wish, true or not, and we cannot for privacy reasons post the factual evidence that lead to their removal.

I'll use a very simple analogy. The cop didn't pull you over because you were obeying all the laws. He didn't write you a ticket for doing nothing.

As for the claim the Community Guidelines are unreachable, top left link on the menu bar. http://archive.lotro.com/community/7...nityguidelines

For those claiming they don't know why previous posts were closed, read that link Note items 1, 3, 14, and 17.

None of this is news. The Community Guidelines have not changed significantly in over 6 years.

[Exion_Blade]

I'll use a very simple analogy. The cop didn't pull you over because you were obeying all the laws. He didn't write you a ticket for doing nothing.

This is a troubling analogy. Many of us know that there are times when some cops don't enforce certain laws, and others enforce them iron-handedly. People will break the law if they see others get away with it. But if you try to enforce every law, people will see it as oppressive.

None of this is news. The Community Guidelines have not changed significantly in over 6 years.

Perhaps they need a review and a few amendments?

[Darlgon]

None of this is news. The Community Guidelines have not changed significantly in over 6 years.

Which makes me wonder if they are gonna get a rewrite for the new "non-Beta" forums you guys have promised.

[Sapience]

Which makes me wonder if they are gonna get a rewrite for the new "non-Beta" forums you guys have promised.

Sorry to disappoint, but no.

[Squelcher]

Actually this is completely untrue. Every infraction on these forums carries with it a PM that is sent that states, clearly, what rule was violated. Oftentimes there is a secondary comment from the person issuing the infraction as well.

Sapience I would just like to comment on this.

I received an unjust ban which I promptly had lifted as it was unintended. However, I received no PM in my inbox for it. Also, a PM to a person's inbox telling them why they were banned is not helpful if they are unable to log in to see it.

To my knowledge there is no way (?) to check the inbox when banned.

[Sapience]

Sapience I would just like to comment on this.

I received an unjust ban which I promptly had lifted as it was unintended. However, I received no PM in my inbox for it. Also, a PM to a person's inbox telling them why they were banned is not helpful if they are unable to log in to see it.

To my knowledge there is no way (?) to check the inbox when banned.

if you are globally banned (and you really have to work hard to get globally banned) then you're right. However, you always can contact support and you'll be told exactly why.

My point, and it remains my point, is that there is never a time when we just randomly choose to ban people becuase they were standing there doing nothing wrong and never is there a time when a player can't find out the exact reasons they were banned.

[Penionn]

lol all of this is so untrue. I received a global ban from celestrata for creating a thread that she closed for no reason even though it wasnt against any CoC or anything.

I like calling mods out, especially ones who give us nothing but fluff.

[droppingfirewhereistep]

celestrata, especially ones who give us nothing but fluff.

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