Dear firelorn...do you and devs ever listen to players?

[branvogil]

Firstly lets get this straight, i love this game, but this is going too far, do you ever listen to player feedback?

90% of capped maxxed players play moors on creep or freep.

But you do nothing to improve it, yes you say this and that and buff freeps constantly. Do you play a creep or even play moors or do you even have a developer that plays a creep? Its a disgrace atm, and i log bullroarer and you re buff freeps, seriously if any lvl 100 freep cant pve with essence gear and BB jewels then they should serioulsy delete their accounts, let alone buff them.

Every freep class is OP to the max and the PVMP side of this game is gone because creeps are so ignored. Yes so you say an update is coming but last update is player music, ### no1 cares, this is 99% a combat game pve or pvmp, and you choose time to help a few music players.

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...g-One-Shotters surely getting rid of exploits like this should be above silly music fixes. Like delete code that makes 1shotters attack players pets/familiars surely that cant be that hard?

For once show some respect to people that VIP pay your wages want to have end game content (ettenmoors) that has a challenge except you totally nerf the creeps and buff freeps, i dont want a new map i want equality for creeps and LOSE the exploits, surely one of your devs can figure out how to stop captains and loremasters making 1shotters kill their own creeps? An idea like when our dumb weaver pets attack NPC 1 shotters and any1 close dies, make any LM/cappy that sends pet to 1 shotters on purpose will die if pets is killed. so many ways to stop this blatant abuse.

Yes probably get flamed for QQ thread but i think most long term players freep anfd creep will agree, well responses will show.

100% behind a stop the new freep buffs, give 2 months too creeps upgrade instead of just buffing freeps so they can solo orthanc.

EDIT: just took my scaled 79 warden and soled TR. yawn. Ye they really need buffing.

[Bulbous]

90% of capped maxxed players play moors on creep or freep.

I think you mean "9%".

The rest is barely intelligible.

[Snowlock]

Firstly lets get this straight, i love this game, but this is going too far, do you ever listen to player feedback?

The question isn't, do they listen to player feedback. The question is, what player feedback do they listen to?

[Bulbous]

The question isn't, do they listen to player feedback. The question is, what player feedback do they listen to?

The constructive, well-thought-out kind.

[djheydt]

I think you mean "9%".

Or else he's experiencing "selection bias," which can
be expressed as "everybody I know likes/does X, therefore
everybody likes/does X."

It doesn't happen just in gamer communities, either.
People all over the planet assume that everyone belongs
to their political party, or their religion, or is devoted to
their favorite sports team, or so on. When I was young,
and that's a good while ago, it was assumed that everybody
smoked. Thank Eru *that*'s going away.

In this case -- I'm theorizing here, and I may be wrong
and you may be right that he just hit that 9 once too
often -- the OP spends most of his play time in the
Moors, so do all his friends, and he assumes that's
what everybody else does.

Oh yes, and some of the devs do play PvMP, and some
of them play creeps. At least, they've said so repeatedly.

[Rufus_T_Fyrfly]

I'm still wondering who ''firelorn'' is.

[Manulele]

Well, you have to admit that if he plays creepside only, probably 90% of the people he knows do play PvMP.
Funny thing is how people start whining every time a beta starts and there's a buff to one side of the two involved in PvMP. Just bite your tongue and wait till beta closes instead of posting #### on the forums. Besides, you should have played creepside two years ago, when freeps were godmode. What we have now is the closest to balance we had in a very long time.

[branvogil]

Well, you have to admit that if he plays creepside only, probably 90% of the people he knows do play PvMP.
Funny thing is how people start whining every time a beta starts and there's a buff to one side of the two involved in PvMP. Just bite your tongue and wait till beta closes instead of posting #### on the forums. Besides, you should have played creepside two years ago, when freeps were godmode. What we have now is the closest to balance we had in a very long time.

HI, thanks for a few responses, I have r11 LM (that has done every deed and t2c in game btw), r8 beorning, lvl 100 hunter and lvl 79 warden so I dont just play creepside i stopped playing freepside when I saw all the exploits.

Point of post was alot of the end game content is so old now and alot of people on my server at least go to moors because continually facerolling BG etc is not much fun as I and them like a challenge, and nothing is more satisfying than taking on real players and beating them. What is annoying is these exploits that mean one pet/familiar can beat 24+ creeps with a simple exploit move surely the devs MUST know about this and a simple line of code to make 1shotters not attack pets surely cant be that hard (as if a pet will ever kill a 1shotter anyway) or something along that line of coding.

On top of that the screenies and tickets that have been sent showing the people doing it repeatedly(and i dont mean one or two times i mean for over 4 hours constantly) just get ignored by in game GM, surely if they gave them a ban they would stop using the exploit, but no its just constant.

[Celembar]

I think you need to roll a spider

[Snowlock]

The constructive, well-thought-out kind.

You mean the butt kisser kind. I'm not sure I agree. But I'm not sure I disagree either.

[Coeprandua]

You mean the butt kisser kind. I'm not sure I agree. But I'm not sure I disagree either.

I used to be able to do the butt-kisser here and there, but things are just so ####ed up now, there's no way to keep that up...

[Bulbous]

You mean the butt kisser kind. I'm not sure I agree. But I'm not sure I disagree either.

Such wonderful justification. The human mind really is marvelous, isn't it? So, if my recommendation gets accepted, it must be because I kissed up to someone, and if yours gets turned down, it must be because you are a renegade, right?

It totally wasn't because your idea sucked or anything.

Either way, you are telling the OP that the devs DO listen to players (if only the butt-kissers).

[Coeprandua]

Such wonderful justification. The human mind really is marvelous, isn't it? So, if my recommendation gets accepted, it must be because I kissed up to someone, and if yours gets turned down, it must be because you are a renegade, right?

It totally wasn't because your idea sucked or anything.

Either way, you are telling the OP that the devs DO listen to players.

Welcome to Turbine!

[Sullo]

*Frelorn

[djheydt]

I'm still wondering who ''firelorn'' is.

Frelorn's secret evil twin, who never listens to nobody
nohow?

[djheydt]

Well, you have to admit that if he plays creepside only, probably 90% of the people he knows do play PvMP.

Exactly.

Funny thing is how people start whining every time a beta starts and there's a buff to one side of the two involved in PvMP.

Well, players who play PvE have different possible goals:
to follow the epic story, to have the shiniest armour on their
block, to craft up a storm, to collect the maximum amount of
virtual gold permitted by the system software, or just to
smell the virtual roses.

But PvP players have among their goals to win, to kill
the other guy before he can kill them. Mind you, that isn't
their only goal: I knew a player back in Asheron's Call who
PvP-ed because she was interested in the complex social
structure of the PvP Allegiances, which were so necessary if
one were to survive.

Whh once met a rather mundane person to whom "game"
meant football or something like that, and on having Asheron's
Call described to him, said "But how do you win?"

Whh said, "You don't win; you survive."

Well, the point I'm trying to make is that people who PvP
want to be more powerful, more bad-[gluteus], more relentless
than the other side, so they can win. Each side feels that
the other side is overpowered, which is one reason that
there are continual complaints from ambitious PvPers.

[Annaliel]

Oh god a pvp thread filled with the heydt and bulbous nonsense, what's next? The guy who said you need 5 freeps to kill a single defiler?

[Frelorn]

I don't know who this firelorn is, but I would expect if someone wanted an actual answer to a question, they would take the time to at least spell the person's name right. Just sayin...

[Rufus_T_Fyrfly]

I don't know who this firelorn is, but I would expect if someone wanted an actual answer to a question, they would take the time to least spell the person's name right. Just sayin...

I don't care what anyone says, you're one of the cool kids now

[Nimrinoth]

Hey OP, i know you think you're special and original with this post but people have been posting this exact same thing for years and years; certainly before your existence. And despite all these threads begging for change, no real progress is ever made.

So maybe chill out brah.

[sp33dccm]

Exactly.

Well, players who play PvE have different possible goals:
to follow the epic story, to have the shiniest armour on their
block, to craft up a storm, to collect the maximum amount of
virtual gold permitted by the system software, or just to
smell the virtual roses.

I love how you've got everyone that PVEs summed up in a nice little bow there.

While I do somewhat agree with what you're saying, you've missed a (what used to be) a huge aspect of why I PVEed: Group content. Yes, now it's all about the things you listed but before it was necessary to get better gear to beat the content, not just for the simple ego boost with all their gold gear. Which is why I've got to give the devs some credit with the new instances, they seem to have notched up the difficulty a bit so that not everyone will be able to do t2cms; certainly a step in the right direction.

As for everything else in this thread, I'm not taking too much notice on beta because after all it is beta ONE. I'm fully expecting things to change because some things are ridiculously OP such as 80% crit mag. on champs, 50mins+ trick durations on burgs, 1min+ anthems on minis. As far as I'm concerned, everyone basing the new update based on this BETA are rather funny.

[OverlordGate]

90% of capped maxxed players play moors on creep or freep.

Referring to our old Community Manager Sapience it´s the other way around. 10% of the community play (raids and) pvmp...

My own experience on low populated servers as well as on high populated servers would raise that number up to 20%... they seem to be even more because most of the pve-casual 80% don´t look or post in this forum... pvp nerds like me do... mostly to complain :P

To my own sorrow I have to admit most people in this game are "casuals" that are interested in playing a virtual instrument... I accepted that fact long ago


PS.: don`t get me wrong, I love to see the world growing towards mordor. the story is also fantastic. and the old raids and instances were too... but after finishing the content after every update there are 2-4 months of boredom that can only be satisfied with an unbalanced pvmp on a 8 year old map... or by playing a virtual instrument

[Alakin93]

The answer is...money money money $ at first!

[TheCrossbow]

Couple things.

Yes. The developers absolutely do listen to the feedback the players give. It may not necessarily come as quickly as we would prefer. Or, it may not be in a form that everyone likes. But, they do listen. And, yes, the developers do browse the forums. The absolute best thing you can do is make use of the "Suggestions" forum... and take advantage of opportunities when the developers decide to open up a dialogue about various subjects with the players. Of course, it helps to keep things respectful and civilized.

No. Unfortunately, the number of players who play in the Moors is not 90%. There are those - even probably the developers - who wish participation in "end game" stuff was that high. Most seem to be interested in what they can do solo on the PvE side... and even there the interest in group content (of any kind) seems to not be the majority.
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't look at the player base in percentages or groups. I look to see that every aspect of the game is providing a quality experience for those who participate in it. And, I hope that the quality is high enough to draw in others even on a casual basis.
IMHO, those who do look at the player base in percentages/groups and place more/less importance on any particular part of the game do a great disservice. This game is supposed to be built on the "MMO/MMORPG" model. That means it seeks to bring together multiple types of game play to tell a more complete story and give you a more complete experience than any other format can. IMHO, that is the selling point of an MMO/RPG.
I [myself] enjoy doing all the game has to offer. I am not really into PvP at this point in my life (had my fill of it when I was younger) but I do value it as part of the entire package.

Also... let us keep in mind that over the last 2 years... if you include the incoming Imbued LI system... LOTRO has been undergoing a lot of changes. Class overhauls (trait trees), essence gear, new LI system, etc. That is bound to unbalance PvP or significantly change it.

And, if the devs can do it well... we have [hopefully] a new PvMP map on its way. So, theoretically, PvMP is soon to get a lot of attention. We shall see.

[Beaniemooch]

Also... let us keep in mind that over the last 2 years... if you include the incoming Imbued LI system... LOTRO has been undergoing a lot of changes. Class overhauls (trait trees), essence gear, new LI system, etc. That is bound to unbalance PvP or significantly change it.

I don't necessarily think those were a) good things or b) done well. I would think all those things would have to be taken into account for PvP because waiting for months for a fix doesn't encourage players to continue paying or playing, which in the end is what every business wants.