2015 LOTRO PvMP and PvE Player’s Council Announcement!!!!

[Frelorn]

As you may know by now, the 2015 LOTRO PvMP and PVE Player’s Councils have been chosen and the participants have begun giving feedback. They represent many play styles, countries, and walks of life. We look forward to hearing their feedback and suggestions.

PVE	PVP
Grimdoin_EU	UwS-Harledir
SabrielofLorien	Yicky
Lilka	Yand
Tetisheri	Sezneg
joeltwiggins	Blodspill
Macisliz	Bitemarks
krazymouse2	Murtanion
Warmutkan	KayleahSunshine
AquitasOfNimrodel	Constrictions
Aadamo	Diesel33g
Krucipisek	MrWarg
Proudcdn	Ettenmoors Emperor
Frisco	Maneskold
Naurien	Screttlesllim
dangerdog	Carlanya
amimain2	Theomur
Weka	Irin19
PkCrichton	Crazytune
Leixy	Ellodh
Eruadarion	BelechTheWild
Bobbej	Makawulf
gk11	Elena
Mar-Evayave	Usabyz
Nicobaby
Finranduil
Emraneth
Mandura
Aucun
natos25

We would like to take this opportunity to thank the 2014 Players Council for all their hard work and dedication. They were extremely dedicated and were a great help as we transitioned to what our current team is now. Much of the content you play and love from the last year is in-part a result of the great feedback they gave the team.

[Jillymala]

Well... congrats to everyone on the new councils.

And especially the ones who got reselected from this years PC for the pvp council and the regular players council.
That was certainly a surprise even after we were told no current members were going to be allowed to return.
It might have been nice to perhaps have explained the rules for selection a bit better to the current council as I see some of them on the new councils.


Good luck to all!

[MithrilMinded]

only 2 or 3 manes that i recognize from my daily visit to forums , cause they post a lot .....hopefully we get to know the others s...and make use of the pvmp community as whole ..idk if anyone from my server got it...how many of this ppl play on small servers?

[Sezneg]

Furthermore, there are at least three of the people in this list that have never even been mentioned on the forums before this thread showed up. Do they have experience with posting on forums at all, or interacting with the community?

The players who use the forum vs those who do not are actually a very substantial minority. I do not know whether this is equally true of those who pvmp. But the former at least suggests that there is a sizable portion of the player base who's input you would be cutting off if you required an active forum history.

[Giliodor]

The players who use the forum vs those who do not are actually a very substantial minority. I do not know whether this is equally true of those who pvmp. But the former at least suggests that there is a sizable portion of the player base who's input you would be cutting off if you required an active forum history.

In order to give Turbine proper feedback, I think they should not only give their own opinion, but also bring up what is being discussed on the forums.

[Frelorn]

Please do not use personal attacks against any particular members of either council. Personal attacks and calling out of players is and has always has been against the forum rules.

[Giliodor]

I see my critique is not appreciated. My post lasted for about 45 minutes.

Sapience, is that you?

[Annaliel]

I see my critique is not appreciated. My post lasted for about 45 minutes.

Sapience, is that you?

^
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[Finranduil]

I'll hope to have a great time here, so if you want to communicate anything that might be of use to the PC... Don't hesitate to DM me here or on twitter (@LorimLOTRO)

Lorim

[Grego28]

Thank you, Frelorn, for the announcement.

Congratualtions to those, who were elected by the CO to represent us, the LOTRO players.

I wish all of you luck and I hope you help LOTRO and devs, as well!

I'd like to add a comment too, If I may so : I noticed that the server, from where the councils' members are come from, is not noted.

Is this something new?

I strongly believe we have the right to know the home-server of every single member of both councils.

Thank you.

[Sezneg]

In order to give Turbine proper feedback, I think they should not only give their own opinion, but also bring up what is being discussed on the forums.

But in pointing out things being posted on the forums, would they not be simply giving their own opinion via choosing what to bring up and what not to bring up?

[Finranduil]

I can give you my server if you want :P I mainly play on Dwarrowdelf. But you can find me on Landy/Laurelin/Riddermark and 10 other servers too :P

Lorim

[Frelorn]

Thank you, Frelorn, for the annoncement.

Congratualtions to those, who were elected by the CO to represent us, the LOTRO players.

I wish all of you luck and I hope you help LOTRO and devs, as well!

I'd like to add a comment too, If I may so : I noticed that the server, from where the councils' members are come from, is not noted.

Is this something new?

I strongly believe we have the right to know the home-server of every single member of both councils.

Thank you.

From looking at past announcements, this info was not included. I can say we did everything possible to make sure that the members were from as many servers as possible, as well as having diverse playstyles and backgrounds.

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

The players who use the forum vs those who do not are actually a very substantial minority. I do not know whether this is equally true of those who pvmp. But the former at least suggests that there is a sizable portion of the player base who's input you would be cutting off if you required an active forum history.

As you're back on the council, for PvMP specifically this time, I hope you'll be taking on the role that Giliodor suggested and feedback not only your own ideas, but those of the player base regarding the Osgiliath PvMP map, as much of the PvMP community won't get their hands on it until its too late to make any sizeable systematic changes.

An example of such is this, my own thread with suggestions: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...we-want-to-see as well as the long discussion started by Corrakas, here: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...5539-Osgiliath and also this other suggestion thread too: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...ou-like-to-see

The new map needs to be significantly different from the current PvMP map, and the current stance on the Ettenmoors, I believe is a poor one - as I've suggested previously, it should be closed for PvMP, and turned into a creep questing zone (with relatively few changes - an extra quest or two would be nice, but not essential), which would allow new creeps the option to gain some experience (and a couple of ranks) before heading into the scary old world of PvMP in Osgiliath.

The issue of Osgiliath is a big one - please don't waste this opportunity, and I hope it would be possible for either the devs, or the players on the council if the devs don't have enough time to do so, to be able to communicate with the players throughout the process of building the map. PvMP is so very much based in player interaction, as I'm sure any long term veterans are aware, and in order to ensure that this is continued in Osgiliath, the community as a whole needs to be consulted, or at least listened to, regarding suggestions for this new map.

I'm really hoping that this PvMP player council is a success - you've got an important job, so don't let us down!

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

But in pointing out things being posted on the forums, would they not be simply giving their own opinion via choosing what to bring up and what not to bring up?

Yeah, they would. But better a multiplicity of suggestions than none at all

[Grego28]

From looking at past announcements, this info was not included. I can say we did everything possible to make sure that the members were from as many servers as possible, as well as having diverse playstyles and backgrounds.

That is partially true, Frelorn.

You might be correct as far as the 2014 council is concerned but not for the 2013 one

You can check the 1st council's announcement of Sapience, If you want : https://www.lotro.com/en/forums/show...Player-Council

While your statement is absolutely accepted as official and fair enough, I insist that the community needs to know the home-server of the members.

Unless it is forbidden or breaks any forums/game rules; or maybe it's against private infos security.

[Giliodor]

I can say we did everything possible to make sure that the members were from as many servers as possible, as well as having diverse playstyles and backgrounds.

... and failed. Well, at least you tried.

[bucko39]

I insist that the community need to know the home-server of the members.

Really, you "insist"?

Bit over the top don't you think?

Honestly, what difference will it make if you know the..."home-server" of a member of the player council?

/shrug.

[kickman77]

That is partially true, Frelorn.

You might be correct as far as the 2014 council is concerned but not for the 2013 one

You can check the 1st council's announcement of Sapience, If you want : https://www.lotro.com/en/forums/show...Player-Council

While your statement is absolutely accepted as official and fair enough, I insist that the community need to know the home-server of the members.

Unless it is forbidden or breaks any forums/game rules; or maybe it's against private infos security.

The issue becomes if he announces server that people on those server expect that person to represent that server instead of the community. This was a huge issue with the first council where alot of people expected server representation which we were not there for. We were there to represent different playstyles and viewpoints and yes we did take suggestions from our home server but we were not that servers representative. In all honesty, I feel publishing which servers they are from sets them up for personal attacks from trolls ect. The name is good enough if you have an issue you would like them to discuss pm them or discuss it on the forums because most council members hit the forums up multiple times a day

[Frisco]

In order to give Turbine proper feedback, I think they should not only give their own opinion, but also bring up what is being discussed on the forums.

I'm sure there will be a variety of feedback styles on the PC. The forums represent a very small minority of players, so if people who aren't active on the forum are still relaying in-game discussion to the PC, that will be infinitely more useful, I think. The issues that come up on the forums frequently are easily accessed by Turbine without me repeating it to them--they can just click on the thread. My PC feedback, personally, will be my own feelings on how to make the game better, taking into account forum discussions over the past 8 years, but not rehashing them or acting as an elected representative for the forum. I don't think that forum-goers should assume that ALL the PC reps are there to be the voice of the forum, each fighting for one side of the everlasting battles or the other.

If you want your opinions to be relayed into PC discussion, coming into the PC announcement thread and starting drama seems counter-productive.

[Grego28]

I'm not here to fight with any user of the forums.

Neither do I care to know the home-server for "trolling" and "critisizing" issues, as you claim.

And yes, I insist; I'd say that one more time.

As a player of LOTRO -who likes playing this MMO and cares enough for it as it is- and an user of the forums, I'd like to know the home-server of each council's member.

That is not an information with no meaning or useless, in my opinion.

If it is "bit" over the top or not, let the administrator says so.

If the forums' administrator gives me a resonable answer why this information is not necessary, then I'll fully accepted it in a peaceful way, be sure about this.

[Leixy]

Good luck to all on both councils. I'm really looking forward to participating this year and helping contribute to the dialog for PvE side.

May we all revisit the council topics next year and see continued progress for all play-styles enjoying Middle Earth more than ever.

[Giliodor]

If you want your opinions to be relayed into PC discussion, coming into the PC announcement thread and starting drama seems counter-productive.

So because you disagree with what I'm saying, it's "starting drama"? Wow. You know what, I was actually giving feedback and advice on how to do things differently in the future. And you're actually in the Player Council? Marvellous...

I got my hopes up with U16, but I'm falling back into my gloomy mood.

[kickman77]

I'm not here to fight with any user of the forums.

Neither do I care to know the home-server for "trolling" and "critisizing" issues, as you claim.

And yes, I insist; I'd say that one more time.

As a player of LOTRO -who likes playing this MMO and cares enough for it as it is- and an user of the forums, I'd like to know the home-server of each council's member.

That is not an information with no meaning or useful, in my opinion.

If it is "bit" over the top or not, let the administrator says so.

If the forums' administrator gives me a resonable answer why this information is not necessary, then I'll fully accepted it in a peaceful way, be sure about this.

He already did. Here it is quoted for you

From looking at past announcements, this info was not included. I can say we did everything possible to make sure that the members were from as many servers as possible, as well as having diverse playstyles and backgrounds.

[Almagnus1]

As long as I get something that is heavily objective based, funnels combat to specific points, and it's smaller than the current 'Moors, I'll be happy. The 'Moors was cool as it was originally implemented, as it felt strategic due to control of the Delving, and the impact that had for a side out there, but it feels more like a moving brawl and pretty unintelligent now, which is a shame.

For example:
Take influence from the MOBAs and having several lanes with control points, and then a primary objective for the map that one side could capture. Once that was captured a reset mechanic (using OP NPCs) that essentially "resets" the map, so it's like a perpetual series of games, which allows the other side to proceed again. Once a side loses, it gets a mark of shame buff (like one that has a white flag as the icon), so hopefully things even out a bit. Once a side wins, the mark tiers down, and the other side gets one, and they get a victory bonus for forcing a reset to occur.


Another thought (and one that I'm working on a design document for) is taking influence from EVE Online's sovereignty system is also something of interest, but that would take a lot more thought before that could be introduced to LotRO, as we would definitely need a single shard environment (as we need EU, RU, and NA to get the 24/7 coverage to make it work), and also enough population to keep something like 5000 claimable nodes active (as EVE Online has about that many star systems IIRC). I could see something like that set in Mordor immediately after the fall of Sauron, and before Aragorn's mop up operations completed as a viable setting - provided it's forked from the landscape the way that Osgiliath is being forked. There would also need to be a few other lore concessions so that we're able to do Freep v everyone, so what's being fought over is a bit more interesting mechanic wise.