40 days of Yule for "Bringer of Good Cheer" new deed?

[Olgomil]

We have a new daily in Yule, you need to complete a Mission from Eldersdale for to complete it. The first time you complete the daily, a deed pop up, called "Bringer of Good Cheer". For to complete the deed you need to do the daily quest 40 times, but Yule 2020/20221 is not 40 days long? Intended or a mistake?



Sergio :-)

[Fegefeuer]

Between the exclusive hobbit gifts and now this, I feel yule festival is a becoming a paid festival.

I thought festivals are free content, but now rewards are tied to mithril coins and expansion packs.... Interesting.......

[Cordovan]

This is intended to be completed over the course of several Yuletide festivals.

[Olgomil]

This is intended to be completed over the course of several Yuletide festivals.

Thanks for the quick answer Cordovan.

Sergio :-)

[JH15547]

Between the exclusive hobbit gifts and now this, I feel yule festival is a becoming a paid festival.

I thought festivals are free content, but now rewards are tied to mithril coins and expansion packs.... Interesting.......

If you would like to get a cosmetic pet so badly, then go ahead and use those mithril coins. That of course is SSG's intention. Counting on impulse purchases, desire to clear deed, etc. and hoping people use Mithril Coins.

But don't try and spin this as it turning into a "paid festival" ... it's a cosmetic pet tied to a deed. It cost them $$$ to make the cosmetic pet. 90% of the other awards are free if you grind. And you can even just wait a year if you refuse to spend mithril coins on this to reset the quest, and still get the award.

[maartena]

I thought festivals are free content, but now rewards are tied to mithril coins and expansion packs.... Interesting.......

The mithril coin rewards are on TOP of the free rewards. Every festival typically gets a steed, several cosmetics, housing items, and cosmetic pet(s) for FREE every year, and you can barter for all the free stuff from previous years. So in that sense, the Yule festival is pretty much 100% identical to all years past.

The mithril coin rewards are extra, so they are ADDITIONAL steeds, pets and housing items you can get that you cannot get otherwise. It would really only be of interest to people that really MUST have all cosmetic pets and such, and it should be noted you get dailyt free rolls on such things, as well as weekly free rolls on the VIP gold present.

[Fegefeuer]

Wonderful how quickly people forget things.

I remember the complaints when the special cosmetics were added to the hobbit gifts. This means that you get the decorations/pets only available for mithril coins. You can say "but hobbit gifts are free", sure, since that was introduced, I only got a few decoration items, most of the time I just nothing.

Yes, you have free stuff in the festival. But it won't surprise me if they add stuff for the hobbit gifts for every festival.

Funny to see how people justify this, though

And yes, this new quest with reward is paid because you need an expansion to do it, and I think some people might use mithril to reset it.

[Narthalion]

Wonderful how quickly people forget things.

I remember the complaints when the special cosmetics were added to the hobbit gifts. This means that you get the decorations/pets only available for mithril coins. You can say "but hobbit gifts are free", sure, since that was introduced, I only got a few decoration items, most of the time I just nothing.

Yes, you have free stuff in the festival. But it won't surprise me if they add stuff for the hobbit gifts for every festival.

Funny to see how people justify this, though

And yes, this new quest with reward is paid because you need an expansion to do it, and I think some people might use mithril to reset it.

Merry Ca$hma$, SSG !!

[Arnenna]

This is intended to be completed over the course of several Yuletide festivals.

Why though?

It won't actually take several, it will take just over 1.5 Yule festivals (at it's fastest rate), so all it will do is frustrate completionist players/collectors who won't entertain the MC bypass. That's the idea though right?

I don't see how this can benefit players, or the game. There is no conceivable advantage in trying to coax a player to log in 14 times, a full year later to finish a deed, so why would it be the intended outcome? If it were indeed intended to last over the span of more than one festival, there wouldn't be a bypass.

If I want people to run all the way around the track, because that is the intention I'm aiming for, I don't stick a handy paid shortcut across the middle of the field.

[JH15547]

Why though?

It won't actually take several, it will take just over 1.5 Yule festivals (at it's fastest rate), so all it will do is frustrate completionist players/collectors who won't entertain the MC bypass. That's the idea though right?

I don't see how this can benefit players, or the game. There is no conceivable advantage in trying to coax a player to log in 14 times, a full year later to finish a deed, so why would it be the intended outcome? If it were indeed intended to last over the span of more than one festival, there wouldn't be a bypass.

If I want people to run all the way around the track, because that is the intention I'm aiming for, I don't stick a handy paid shortcut across the middle of the field.

You're overcomplicating it. It's not a gameplay critical deed. It's for a cosmetic pet. The fact that it's equivalent to 1.5 Yule festivals is intentional - just short enough to tempt those who must have all cosmetic pets to use MC. And frankly, I have no problem with it. They created the pet, and someone has to pay for it. It won't be me cause I don't care about cosmetic pets.

IMO, the usual suspects are going too far in their crusade against SSG's model of "big grind here, but we have store bypasses for convenience". You have way better examples to leverage for that where the greed is more central to the core gameplay, and trying to make a fuss here just undermines the broader argument.

[istvana]

Firstly this complaint is endangering our furry friends. The game has enough hilly areas - there is no need to turn this molehill into a mountain.

Secondly you seem to have forgotten that there are often repeats of festivals. Assuming a need to wait a fulll year for the next opportunity is quite likely mistaken.

[Narthalion]

If I want people to run all the way around the track, because that is the intention I'm aiming for, I don't stick a handy paid shortcut across the middle of the field.

Ooooh, I like that line.

Clever.

Spot on.

Definitely applies to SSG.

Well done.

[Fegefeuer]

You're overcomplicating it. It's not a gameplay critical deed. It's for a cosmetic pet. The fact that it's equivalent to 1.5 Yule festivals is intentional - just short enough to tempt those who must have all cosmetic pets to use MC. And frankly, I have no problem with it. They created the pet, and someone has to pay for it. It won't be me cause I don't care about cosmetic pets.

IMO, the usual suspects are going too far in their crusade against SSG's model of "big grind here, but we have store bypasses for convenience". You have way better examples to leverage for that where the greed is more central to the core gameplay, and trying to make a fuss here just undermines the broader argument.

If they want money for the pet, they can put it in the store as direct purchase. Tbh, I feel lazy reading how people defend silly SSG business practises.

[Nostro44]

Why though?

It won't actually take several, it will take just over 1.5 Yule festivals (at it's fastest rate), so all it will do is frustrate completionist players/collectors who won't entertain the MC bypass. That's the idea though right?

I don't see how this can benefit players, or the game. There is no conceivable advantage in trying to coax a player to log in 14 times, a full year later to finish a deed, so why would it be the intended outcome? If it were indeed intended to last over the span of more than one festival, there wouldn't be a bypass.

Well some deeds do require several festivals to complete - notably the cartographer one. Though having to do it 40 times for a cosmetic pet sounds more like a mis-type and it was intended to be 20.

[Narthalion]

If they want money for the pet, they can put it in the store as direct purchase. Tbh, I feel lazy reading how people defend silly SSG business practises.

Agreed.

Although I almost wonder if SSG makes MORE money off of customers repeatedly spending to gamble for the item, vs just a direct purchase from the store.

(voice of a Dev whispering in their ear over-and-over) "Aaaaaw, you almost got it that time! Try just one more!"

or

(voice of Dev whispering in their ear) "You really want that prize! But why wait so long, and grind so much...here's a short-cut!"

[Elmagor]

So many people asking about that in last 2 days. Some people don't get what this quest can be updated only with missions, even when it was stated in patch notes. Others don't understand why they can't get more when 1/40. It's clear what this quest/deed needs more info

[Fegefeuer]

So many people asking about that in last 2 days. Some people don't get what this quest can be updated only with missions, even when it was stated in patch notes. Others don't understand why they can't get more when 1/40. It's clear what this quest/deed needs more info

I think it's pretty simple to understand, let me do a quick summary for everyone.

Yule festival is free.

They add 1 quest that is not part of yule festival, but part of minipeaks, and place it at yule festival.

They add a deed that requires 40 completions, daily.

They make possible to reset the quest with mithril coins.

So basically, this is one quest that requires an expansion to be done (pay real money), but promoted into a free festival, to try to get more sales of the expansion. And the long deed and possibility to use mithril coins is to make people pay.

Why add the pet for 500 LP in the store? The way it is now, you need to buy minipeaks and spend LP on mithril coins too lmao.

[Arnenna]

You're overcomplicating it. It's not a gameplay critical deed. It's for a cosmetic pet. The fact that it's equivalent to 1.5 Yule festivals is intentional - just short enough to tempt those who must have all cosmetic pets to use MC. And frankly, I have no problem with it. They created the pet, and someone has to pay for it. It won't be me cause I don't care about cosmetic pets.

IMO, the usual suspects are going too far in their crusade against SSG's model of "big grind here, but we have store bypasses for convenience". You have way better examples to leverage for that where the greed is more central to the core gameplay, and trying to make a fuss here just undermines the broader argument.

Yes, I get it, the cosmetic pet is not important to you, therefore, you deem this argument as a non starter and not worth the time taken to present it. A cosmetic pet isn't that important to me either, and definitely not 70MC's worth. It is however, important to some people, and they may very well be paying to play this game too. They may have just paid out for mini expansion. The cost of a pet is covered. They may not raid, they may not do instances or play PVMP, and the "broader argument" you refer to, may not apply to them at all. Should we not tolerate an argument for any of the above then, because they are not important to everyone? Raids/instances etc need to be paid for too.

[Arnenna]

Well some deeds do require several festivals to complete - notably the cartographer one. Though having to do it 40 times for a cosmetic pet sounds more like a mis-type and it was intended to be 20.

Nope not a mistype, intentional, and officially confirmed.

Catrographer deed is spread out over many festivals, which is a little bit different. This deed is spread out over just Yule.

[Arnenna]

Firstly this complaint is endangering our furry friends. The game has enough hilly areas - there is no need to turn this molehill into a mountain.

Secondly you seem to have forgotten that there are often repeats of festivals. Assuming a need to wait a fulll year for the next opportunity is quite likely mistaken.

We haven't seen much of Encores in a long while. Even so, if there is an encore, it will last 7 days, so that full year still applies.

In my case, it will take more than a year, if not longer, because I'm not a fan of missions - even one a day, but the pet doesn't really interest me so no loss for me. Shame it is for collectors and people that enjoy that side of the game though.

[Elmagor]

What I don't like it's what you always need pick up quest in festival first every day before you complete missions

[Tarhunmir]

Are these "missions" the ones gated behind The War of Three Peaks expansion or some other things?

If it is the former case why are players who do not own the expansion see the quest from Mara?

Am I missing something here?

[Pontin_Finnberry]

We haven't seen much of Encores in a long while. Even so, if there is an encore, it will last 7 days, so that full year still applies.

I think they stopped doing the Encores, I remember cordovan on a live stream once saying that there are about equal numbers that wanted it vs those that didn't. I kinda like that they stopped doing them, not cause i don't want them (you can easily ignore them) but cause i think its good for the game itself.

[Elmagor]

Are these "missions" the ones gated behind The War of Three Peaks expansion or some other things?

If it is the former case why are players who do not own the expansion see the quest from Mara?

Am I missing something here?

You can see quest with Storvagun if you don't have Misty Mountains? Yes, that missions gated behind The War of Three Peaks expansion

[Seschat]

This is intended to be completed over the course of several Yuletide festivals.

Which I will begin NEXT year, as I cannot afford War of Three Peaks until it hits the LOTRO store, and therefore do not have access to Missions.