Guess the "Executive Producer" is busy avoiding the 30.3 backlash, right?

[oggbnvwnyc]

A plethora of threads with various kinds of criticism and pointing out severe issues of every kind - and there are 2 responses of this "Executive Producer" if you track him using the dev tracker:
- Being able to level traceries above lvl 450
- About conversion of LIs into new LI currencies

It's almost as if he's deliberately hiding as to not having to face the backlash of deliberately releasing such a train-wreck of a beta patch.

[Starliteyes]

I don't see much backlash, either. Frankly, I'm delighted with this update. Sure, it took me a minute to figure out the thing, but like anything new, a little bit o looking got me on the right track. I had read about it, but I need to "get my hands dirty" for it to sink in.

I have to give a shout out to the folks on Arkenstone. Every five minutes, someone would log in and say, "Where do I start?" and the players would give out answers over and over and point out guide locations, as well. Our community at it's finest!

It seemed to me that as folks started "getting it", they were having a great time. Folks that finished their conversion sounded quite happy to me.

[Harvain]

The main backlash is the lack of in-game info about how to deal with the New LI System.

If SSG had provided such Day 1, there would be even less backlash atm.

[Echoweaver]

I think there's justification to be frustrated that there wasn't in-game guidance, and that's the vast majority of what I've seen on the forums. There haven't been many issues with the actual system.

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been an uproar from folks who have been maintaining a lot of embued LIs for years. That's a lot of sunk cost, and I imagine those folks will feel most hurt if the new LIs don't play in a way they like. It hasn't been long, though.

[wispsong]

I think there's justification to be frustrated that there wasn't in-game guidance, and that's the vast majority of what I've seen on the forums. There haven't been many issues with the actual system.

Exactly, as I continue playing with different characters I will convert my LIs. Now that I figured out how to it's seems easier then the old systems. Sure there are still questions that need to be answered but overall this was better then going from Moria LI to ILI. Many in my kin are happy with their new LIs.

[Raninia]

I'm not the Executive Producer, but I'm pretty sure you're referring to me. Truth is, when you release an update, it's still really busy for several days afterwards! I'm spending a lot of time watching content creators and reading various forums, not to mention time in meetings talking about what we're seeing from 30.3, our continued progress towards releasing Fate of Gundabad with 31, and discussing post-31 releases as well. I didn't get much time to play yesterday, but I did spend a lot of time keeping an eye on world chat With the forums, I've mostly been taking the approach of helping out where I can, because I don't have a ton of time to get into conversations or provide long answers atm. I'm actually about to sign off, so this caught me at a lucky moment.

Suffice to say, while there're lots of folks with legitimate frustrations, the update seems to have gone pretty well overall. I've definitely seen things go far worse, so we're pretty happy atm. We're working on our next patch and upcoming Bullroarer as well, so folks will be able to see continued progress. We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

And we'll keep reading stuff, though we'll probably not be able to respond consistently still, just because Gundabad is coming down the mountain pretty soon

Hope that all was coherent, my brain's a little mushy at this point.

[Heimwald]

You'd think the popularity of the "Karen" meme in the internet over the last what, couple of years, would make people be a little bit more self conscious about what it means to demand attention right away, as it's their sacred right as consumers to be served hand and feet all the time, and the only thing that can compensate for their sins and faults is if a manager is presented at the altar of sacrifice to be shouted at in person, so they can learn they place and understand the incomparable suffering they are imposing on the Holy Client.

I guess not. Here's the gist: companies do not make decisions based on who shout the loudest. I f they did, they would go under in a week. You feeling personally offended by what is regular business and demanding attention means nothing. Not in a coffee shop, not in retail, not in the internet. Write a well worded complaint about something specific, without being obnoxious about it, and you might contribute something and even getting a response.

[Once_of_Bree]

A plethora of threads with various kinds of criticism and pointing out severe issues of every kind - and there are 2 responses of this "Executive Producer" if you track him using the dev tracker:
- Being able to level traceries above lvl 450
- About conversion of LIs into new LI currencies

It's almost as if he's deliberately hiding as to not having to face the backlash of deliberately releasing such a train-wreck of a beta patch.

A plethora of threads that are both repeating the same thing and/or complaining about nothing.
Given the amount of vitriol you'd expect the game to be unplayable but new system works, you can still play the game and the new LIs even addresses the complaints over the old imbued LIs, absent players can catch up with a simple reforge, no need for crystals or even EMPs the new equivalent make precious little difference.
Yes the UI could be better, but core functionality is there and even the UI has some improvements over the old one, you can drop a stack of new emps on to a tracery and it even asks you how many you want to add and provides the upper limit, no more one at a time.

[Dorengrod89]

I, for one, am enjoying the new LI system! Sure it takes a while to figure out how to best build your new LIs with the abundance of traceries and different stat boosts but the process of leveling it up an using it is by far easier and better than the post-imbuement grind. And on day 2, there are already so many guides by the community that you can pick whichever and just go for it. For all the panicking I've done in the first BR days for this update, I'm pretty happy with how things turned out.

[MourneBlade]

A plethora of threads with various kinds of criticism and pointing out severe issues of every kind - and there are 2 responses of this "Executive Producer" if you track him using the dev tracker:
- Being able to level traceries above lvl 450
- About conversion of LIs into new LI currencies

It's almost as if he's deliberately hiding as to not having to face the backlash of deliberately releasing such a train-wreck of a beta patch.

CM- Can you just ban this Troll Please. The join date is Oct. 2021, All this person does is stir the pot, check their post history and you will see. Troll thread after troll thread and replies. They have admitted they don't even play and haven't in some time which indicates to me that their original forum profile got banned and who ever it is/was is intent on sowing discord. Some sourpuss with nothing better to do than start (expletive) on the forums.

[DavidmeetHal]

I'm not the Executive Producer, but I'm pretty sure you're referring to me. Truth is, when you release an update, it's still really busy for several days afterwards! I'm spending a lot of time watching content creators and reading various forums, not to mention time in meetings talking about what we're seeing from 30.3, our continued progress towards releasing Fate of Gundabad with 31, and discussing post-31 releases as well. I didn't get much time to play yesterday, but I did spend a lot of time keeping an eye on world chat With the forums, I've mostly been taking the approach of helping out where I can, because I don't have a ton of time to get into conversations or provide long answers atm. I'm actually about to sign off, so this caught me at a lucky moment.

Suffice to say, while there're lots of folks with legitimate frustrations, the update seems to have gone pretty well overall. I've definitely seen things go far worse, so we're pretty happy atm. We're working on our next patch and upcoming Bullroarer as well, so folks will be able to see continued progress. We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

And we'll keep reading stuff, though we'll probably not be able to respond consistently still, just because Gundabad is coming down the mountain pretty soon

Hope that all was coherent, my brain's a little mushy at this point.

One thing I love about this game are the blue names being active in the forums. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I appreciate the interaction. Thank you.

[Hephburz-2]

One thing I love about this game are the blue names being active in the forums. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I appreciate the interaction. Thank you.

We have very different opinions as to what qualifies as "active"; true, engagement has somewhat picked up in the past months, but there is still an overwhelming lack of communication and information given on many things.

[oggbnvwnyc]

I'm not the Executive Producer, but I'm pretty sure you're referring to me. Truth is, when you release an update, it's still really busy for several days afterwards! I'm spending a lot of time watching content creators and reading various forums, not to mention time in meetings talking about what we're seeing from 30.3, our continued progress towards releasing Fate of Gundabad with 31, and discussing post-31 releases as well. I didn't get much time to play yesterday, but I did spend a lot of time keeping an eye on world chat With the forums, I've mostly been taking the approach of helping out where I can, because I don't have a ton of time to get into conversations or provide long answers atm. I'm actually about to sign off, so this caught me at a lucky moment.

Suffice to say, while there're lots of folks with legitimate frustrations, the update seems to have gone pretty well overall. I've definitely seen things go far worse, so we're pretty happy atm. We're working on our next patch and upcoming Bullroarer as well, so folks will be able to see continued progress. We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

And we'll keep reading stuff, though we'll probably not be able to respond consistently still, just because Gundabad is coming down the mountain pretty soon

Hope that all was coherent, my brain's a little mushy at this point.

My bad: wasn't it "Executive Producer" at some point?
To me that's whole post is a non-comment: "Look how busy I am, and because I'm really busy I can't comment how atrocious UI and UX are, which I greenlit".


> We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

Just LOL: so you deliberately released something that wasn't ready and then have the gall to tell your customers/players to "stay tuned" as the LI rework will reach the state of a proper release candidate over the course of the "next few weeks"?


But please, do humor me and comment on my thread as I really want to know the thought process behind delivering such a train-wreck of UI and UX: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...ot-as-expected

[oggbnvwnyc]

CM- Can you just ban this Troll Please. The join date is Oct. 2021, All this person does is stir the pot, check their post history and you will see. Troll thread after troll thread and replies. They have admitted they don't even play and haven't in some time which indicates to me that their original forum profile got banned and who ever it is/was is intent on sowing discord. Some sourpuss with nothing better to do than start (expletive) on the forums.

Is ad hominem the only thing you're capable of?

[oggbnvwnyc]

One thing I love about this game are the blue names being active in the forums. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I appreciate the interaction. Thank you.

I have no idea who to respond in a civil way to that.
With a slight hyperbole your kind of player would even be glad if you'd get 1 blue post in 6 months, because "they apparently do care".

But do humor me: where's the "interaction" regarding long-standing issues like rubberbanding, general server performance, rather obsolete class traits, developing new features just to throw them away etc.?

[Nehniriel]

We have very different opinions as to what qualifies as "active"; true, engagement has somewhat picked up in the past months, but there is still an overwhelming lack of communication and information given on many things.

I agree.
Sure it's best than before, not that it was hard to do.

But seriously, not coming in forum for the launch and with lot of new threads about the update is not been "active" for me (and I would think with few blue responses there would have been less threads created).


And when you know a system not ready, you just don't launch it (LI revamp is not ready and will not be before few weeks at least). There are enough (even relatively recent) examples in videogames to knowing that.

[Starsmith]

I'm kind of surprised there hasn't been an uproar from folks who have been maintaining a lot of embued LIs for years. That's a lot of sunk cost, and I imagine those folks will feel most hurt if the new LIs don't play in a way they like. It hasn't been long, though.

Just speaking for myself, someone who has multiple characters with multiple fully maxed old school ILIs, so far, I am more than happy with the new system. I don't know how it will work out going forward, but as of now, it is much less byzantine and I can use more of the legacies I want on the new style so feel less inclined to make multiple sets, though I've still made several. There are some bits of it that could absolutely stand a polish and it is clearly not done yet, but it's far better than what we had IMO.

I think SSG did a pretty good job of making sure original style ILIs got transferred adequately to the new system, so I don't feel any pangs at the previous cost involved in the making of my old weapons.

Hopefully the process to level them going through new content is better than the old system as well. I don't want to dread finding the leveling whatsits the way I did scrolls.

[Altli]

Jesus Murphy, man! If you are so filled with angst and are so utterly displeased with the game and how it's been progressing, why are you still on here bitching and attacking left, right, and center? Just stop playing, move on with your life, go outside, have a relaxing walk, go read a book. Stop playing a game you dislike, and leave the playing to all of us who enjoy it.
At this point, you are just making a clown of yourself.

[spaltung]

I'm not the Executive Producer, but I'm pretty sure you're referring to me. Truth is, when you release an update, it's still really busy for several days afterwards! I'm spending a lot of time watching content creators and reading various forums, not to mention time in meetings talking about what we're seeing from 30.3, our continued progress towards releasing Fate of Gundabad with 31, and discussing post-31 releases as well. I didn't get much time to play yesterday, but I did spend a lot of time keeping an eye on world chat With the forums, I've mostly been taking the approach of helping out where I can, because I don't have a ton of time to get into conversations or provide long answers atm. I'm actually about to sign off, so this caught me at a lucky moment.

Suffice to say, while there're lots of folks with legitimate frustrations, the update seems to have gone pretty well overall. I've definitely seen things go far worse, so we're pretty happy atm. We're working on our next patch and upcoming Bullroarer as well, so folks will be able to see continued progress. We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

And we'll keep reading stuff, though we'll probably not be able to respond consistently still, just because Gundabad is coming down the mountain pretty soon

Hope that all was coherent, my brain's a little mushy at this point.

he lured you into replying and now that you did he just kept throwing baits.

i would recommend you to not respond on any of these threads made by trolls hungry for some attention.

[OghranNasty]

I have no idea who to respond in a civil way.

Yeah. We gathered that.

[Hephburz-2]

Jesus Murphy, man! If you are so filled with angst and are so utterly displeased with the game and how it's been progressing, why are you still on here bitching and attacking left, right, and center? Just stop playing, move on with your life, go outside, have a relaxing walk, go read a book. Stop playing a game you dislike, and leave the playing to all of us who enjoy it.
At this point, you are just making a clown of yourself.

So.... Paying customers don't have the right to criticise when the devs screw up? Got it.

[Alex53]

My only complaint is that the in-game information is lacking. Other than that I am very happy with the update. Really enjoying my Brawler, and loving the new LIs on my main.

About the lack of in-game info, can I suggest that in the same way as we get quest that drops a port and a note in our inventory for the festival, the same would be helpful for the new LIs. You log in, a quest appears saying new powerful weapons await you. And the note has instructions to help make the process more intuitive. That would probably knock 80% of the complaints on the head.

[DavidmeetHal]

I have no idea who to respond in a civil way to that.
With a slight hyperbole your kind of player would even be glad if you'd get 1 blue post in 6 months, because "they apparently do care".

But do humor me: where's the "interaction" regarding long-standing issues like rubberbanding, general server performance, rather obsolete class traits, developing new features just to throw them away etc.?

I gave him credit for responding and I stand by it.

[JERH]

So.... Paying customers don't have the right to criticise when the devs screw up? Got it.

By their own admission ogg…. hasn’t played in more than 2 years. Every response to ogg… posts is met with tangentializing on other subjects. Just noise.

[Thurinuor]

I'm not the Executive Producer, but I'm pretty sure you're referring to me. Truth is, when you release an update, it's still really busy for several days afterwards! I'm spending a lot of time watching content creators and reading various forums, not to mention time in meetings talking about what we're seeing from 30.3, our continued progress towards releasing Fate of Gundabad with 31, and discussing post-31 releases as well. I didn't get much time to play yesterday, but I did spend a lot of time keeping an eye on world chat With the forums, I've mostly been taking the approach of helping out where I can, because I don't have a ton of time to get into conversations or provide long answers atm. I'm actually about to sign off, so this caught me at a lucky moment.

Suffice to say, while there're lots of folks with legitimate frustrations, the update seems to have gone pretty well overall. I've definitely seen things go far worse, so we're pretty happy atm. We're working on our next patch and upcoming Bullroarer as well, so folks will be able to see continued progress. We definitely understand that we should've had something for players ingame that gave them a heads up on the update - we frankly ran out of time and deprioritized it. We'll be discussing that decisions - among others - over the next few weeks.

And we'll keep reading stuff, though we'll probably not be able to respond consistently still, just because Gundabad is coming down the mountain pretty soon

Hope that all was coherent, my brain's a little mushy at this point.

Thank you and keep up the good work. Looking forward to Gundabad!