Forced emotes - worse than ever

[Vhivi]

Observing the way this thread is going these last cou0le of pages, combined with Turbine's obvious desire to minimize the furor over forced emotes, I really feel the need to say...

In before the lock.

Unfortunately, or fortunately as the case may be, I think you're correct.

[Dworin]

Unfortunately, or fortunately as the case may be, I think you're correct.

Gonna have to go with "Fortunately" for a thousand. *smile*

[manstan]

If you check, and I wont name names here. Some people go out of their way to try start an argument purposely to get threads locked. This person has been at trying to get the petition for an opt out thread locked for a while and is still doing their damnedest to get an argument going in it.

A customer based business will not survive if it doesn't keep the customers happy. In this day and age if we don't like the product made by company A, we can just go to company B that makes a product that does the same thing. So it is the companies responsibility to keep their customers satisfied or watch them go to a different company.

If Turbine has seen a loss in sales and canceled subscriptions they need to find out why and fix it, not higher 2 more execs and lay a bunch people off, while maintaining there status qua with the customers. That just leads to more loses in sales and subscriptions. While more money goes to fewer people.
I mean laying people off due to lose in revenue does not fix what caused the loss in revenue.

[leannftw]

I'm usually a lurker but reading all of these threads, in many cases I see those that are strongly against emotes cause arguments that result in threads being locked. Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I just wanted to say it's not all of us, just a few anti-emoters that keep posting over and over in every thread, ready to fight with anyone that disagrees with them. They aren't making our case if you ask me. I hate emotes but wanted to share my thoughts. Please try to stay on task.

[Grymrock]

Hi all!

Ok, this thread have taken a wrong turn somewhere and are now heading down a sidetrack at unlimited speed.

All I wanted to point out in the first post and was hoping that the 'Devs' would have a look into, was:

1. As a result of the RoR expansion, someone or something have changed the behaviour of the forced emotes that is produced by class and that are afecting a whole group of people, like an audience to a concert, so it now also overrides other emotes like the /play and /smoke emote. This results in a rather unwelcome action and can easily 'destroy' a performance for a band trying to coordinate six different voices (if you have tried to play as a band, you know what I am talking about). My hope was that the Devs would fix this bug in their system, so it would work like it did before the release of the RoR expansion.

2. A few of the other emotes have changed totally, like the new /sigh sound and the /cheer with no sound at all.
Wanted to know why this was done, and a hope they would put it back as it was prior to the expansion.


All this discussion about who's got the right to do what in-game is just 'blowing up and letting off steam'. Thats not what I started the thread for.

There is no law against using the emotes, but as I use to say, there is always a pri'ck out there that gets a satisfaction by ruining stuff for others. They are usually around 10yo and have not learned how you behave in the meeting with strangers. All servers have 'em, even Laurelin and the only way to get 'em to stop is to remove the ability to do so. Either by removing the emote all together, or by giving the people that find these kiddo's annoying a way to protect themselves with an opt-out for the forced emotes.

For those of ya that says that 'it was not intended' to use a group forced emote (note that I am talking about the class group emotes here), all the class group emotes have a 2-3 seconds 'filling up the crafting-bar' before it executes. Any movement while this is happening will stop the emote. So, not intended? Nah, do not think so.

I hope the Devs will have a look into it, and change it to how it was and please do it quickly. Should not be more than a 3-4 lines of code to fix the problems. (Most probably just tweaking a statement or two).

Ok, that was my few words about the case. Please go back to your flaming of each other.


Best regards
Grymrock Grey.

(English is not my native language, so please ignore any spelling mistakes or construction of bad sentences.)

[Whart]

Yep, the doom is strong in this thread.

Arguing about whether anyone who uses an FE is by definition a griefer or not does not advance the advocacy effort for or against an opt-out.
Arguing about whether someone's in-game response to having an FE used on them is good or bad does not advance the advocacy effort for or against an opt-out.
Arguing that someone should feel differently than they do about FEs because their feelings are wrong does not advance the advocacy effort for or against an opt-out.
Arguing about whether the way someone expresses their feelings about FEs in a forum thread is good/bad/logical/emotional/whatever does not advance the advocacy effort for or against an opt-out.

This started as a thread about new effects of FEs since the last update and as a description of an in-game experience that provides evidence of negative effects of FE use. I think that discussion has played itself out.

edit: and +rep to the OP for patience and civility despite the madness into which these threads tend to degenerate

[manstan]

With the lay offs the question is, is there any one to fix the problem? With the shake up at Turbine I have no doubt it may be weeks before they get back to working on LOTRO bugs; if ever.

A little story.

My CG art app of choice is Carrara. Carrara was bought out from eovia by DAZ. The last of the eovia developers working for DAZ made the dynamic hair feature. Once that version of carrara was out that last of the old eovia developers was let go. The next release of carrara broke the dynamic hair, it has been that way since because no one at DAZ can fix it. They let go of the last person that knew how.

So if Turbine's lay offs included developers, it's no telling when or if any of the bugs will be fixed.

"This started as a thread about new effects of FEs since the last update and as a description of an in-game experience that provides evidence of negative effects of FE use. I think that discussion has played itself out. " Whart

Agree.

[Dworin]

This started as a thread about new effects of FEs since the last update and as a description of an in-game experience that provides evidence of negative effects of FE use. I think that discussion has played itself out.

I pretty much agree with this, most everything that can be said has been said Often multiple times. Prior to yesterday, there was no way of knowing whether points made for or against forced emotes were swaying Turbine one way or the other. The status quo seems to be it. Maybe that is so, maybe not. Until Turbine speaks, we won't know. After yesterday, it seems likely that forced emote issues are even further down the list of priorities.

My advocacy for change to the forced emotes as they relate to the unwilling remains unwavering. I have seen no argument from the other side that remotely sways my opinion on the forced emotes. While my participation in forced emote threads of the future is nearly guaranteed (And there will be more, the issue is not going away), I'm finished in this one.

Thank you, OP. Hope your issue gets resolved soon.

[maxjenius]

Prior to yesterday, there was no way of knowing whether points made for or against forced emotes were swaying Turbine one way or the other.

What happened yesterday re: festival pranks?

[Viloxus]

Much larger, game play issues and we get a 9-page whine thread about forced emotes...

[maxjenius]

Much larger, game play issues in my opinion and we get a 9-page whine thread about forced emotes.

Fixed it for you.

[manstan]

Much larger, game play issues and we get a 9-page whine thread about forced emotes...

I don't hear any whining. I read a lot of griping and arguing, but I don't hear any whining. Maybe it's your computer fan?

[Grymrock]

Hmm.... and now, after I've thought about it for a bit, I think I know how this has happened too.

There is another bug when playing music that I just thought of, and that is that it seems like the status
for a person that are playing music have been changed to 'Idle'. You can see this if ya start to play a
rather long tune. After a while, while not moving your char, you will suddenly lower your instrument and scratch your arm, just like ya would if you where just standing there doing nothing. The music will continue to play though, and when your finished with the 'idle' emote your back to playing music.

The forced emotes seems to be working on everyone that is 'idle' so if one changes the status for people that are doing an emote for a while, like dancing, smoking and playing music to what it was before the expansion came along, we should be all set, and everyone's happy on this subject.
I guess that is nothing more than a 'flag' that needs another value in the code. Should be a very easy fix.

Anyone else think this sounds reasonable?


Best regards
Grymrock Grey.

[manstan]

Hmm, I have a few long songs. I use them to measure cool downs. I'll have to check that.

[Grymrock]

Aye do that. I have only experienced this while playin with people in a band though.
I always move around when i play music to smile and nod to everyone listening :-)

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[The-Walrus]

Today I had some moron thow me onto the ground repeatedly several times despite telling him to stop and not do it again. He even laughed at me and did it again. It's just a game, but man I wish I could meet those people in person, I would punch them right in their stupid faces.


You know what's worst about the whole thing? Most of those forced emotes don't even show up in chat AT ALL, so you don't even know who did them unless you are totally expecting something to happen and know what to look for.Turbine is even encouraging griefing and harassment this way, which is pathetic as hell. I am deeply disgusted. Seriously. &&&.

[Neumi]

...You know what's worst about the whole thing? Most of those forced emotes don't even show up in chat AT ALL, so you don't even know who did them unless you are totally expecting something to happen and know what to look for...

Check the combat log.
At least it shows who you "applied a benefit" to.
I am not sure if it shows to other players that you did so.

[The-Walrus]

Nope, at least some do not appear anywhere (some do, like the black silk something). I saw the animation but nothing in the chat. Very stupid.

[SalionOfBrothers]

Check the combat log.
At least it shows who you "applied a benefit" to.
I am not sure if it shows to other players that you did so.

The AoE emotes do not show in the emotees combat log.

[Vandellia]

today was my worst day ever, now being forced to stay mounted when ever i can, to avoid the emotes, its aggravating at best today i had the icing applied to the cake so to speake i was mounted on my horse and doing some daily turn ins i get the i believe its dragon breath cast on me, being who i am i look in my log to see who did it and very politely sent them a tell asking them a tell to please do not force emote me .... the reply i got was beyond classic .. i do not like being sent tells then they promptly put me on ignore. it so cant get better then that . At this point i dont have a clue on what my response to the whole thing.

[1evenstar1]

Really, its fun, stop complaining and get over it, i like the forced emotes, so just start the dang song over!

[Tiboric]

Really, its fun, stop complaining and get over it, i like the forced emotes, so just start the dang song over!

Folk's like you stop greifing other's maybe the complaining will stop. Turbine needs just make the dang oppt. out button an be done with it all.

[Loriandra1979]

Really, its fun, stop complaining and get over it, i like the forced emotes, so just start the dang song over!

What's fun to you might not be fun to others

[Sunkind]

Really, its fun, stop complaining and get over it, i like the forced emotes, so just start the dang song over!

No, its not fun at all, its childish and irritating... anyone who uses forced emotes knows that they are probably intruding into someone`s gamespace, and someone who uses forced emotes at a concert or gathering, knows that they are griefing.
Turbines judgement of what constitutes "fun" has always been a bit prepubescent, but what is happening with FE`s is a kitsch too far...
suggestions?...
**preferably an opt out, but NOT an opt out from the whole emote system... most of us like to greet our kin members and friends^^
**no anonimity for any emotes... most of the griefing is probably being done because opf the "tee-hee" factor of doing it anonymously... although if theres a bare chested dwarf in the area, you have a pretty good idea where the action is... (sry @most dwarves)
**at least nice long cooldowns on FE`s... tho i have no idea how long the cool downs are^^.. at least 10 minutes, like captains respect, but maybe muuuch longer...?
and it was an unbelievably stupid idea, to link deeds with FE`s.

[Artizzy]

Do you understand that this is a game afterall? And since some time ago a ftp game! Now any 12-year-old can make a free account, get those festival consumables and spam them all over the place? There's not much to do about, just to deal with it.
I'm myself actually a fan of that Black Silk Glove. So be carefull with you RP events and park em in your homesteads.