Quote Originally Posted by thunderchickn View Post
I was under the impression threat components of skills were being taken away? If so, how does the Guardian have "threat" skills as well as "pure threat" skills?

This list looks more like a "why Guards are better than Wardens" than an honest comparison. It's disingenuous at best. It shows every strength of the Guard, and every weakness of the Warden while not giving a single strength of Wardens. Buffs? Avoidance? ... HEALING!? Wardens need finesse to tank and Guards don't? Really? Bit of a stretch IMO.

Look, I have the same concerns as most of you. I really do. I'm concerned about the lack of leeches, and what happened to all the pure threat we got from our Gambits. I'm concerned about relying on javelins for ranged aggro. I'm concerned about spamming a clicky skill and how that will work, and with our buff durations. What I don't have sympathy for is disingenuous comparisons and misleading information leading to panic. THAT is something that hasn't changed in years on these forums, and it has never been as bad as it's made out on here.
With regards to taunts:

Engage - This skill has now a 30s cd (was 1m) and is now a force taunt skill that is active for 10s, it also slows the targets' movement speed by 25% for 10s
Fray the Edge - This is now a force Taunt skill that is active for 10s
Challenge - The force taunt component has a duration of 10s, no longer snares the target if targets' attention isn't kept to the GRD, but it does provide an additional function: using Challenge has a chance to debuff the targets melee offence, once this debuff applies it takes 1m 30s for it has a chance to appear again.

under skill changes: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...mmary-Guardian

I was just posting something I found interesting from beta. I think most beta wardens were concerned with the ability to keep up buffs let alone buffs+self heals+dps for aggro. I remember Deviled_eggs (class dev) saying most of the fixes wouldn't be until 12.5 so it would seem that things are going to be a little rocky going forward. I look forward to your and other wardens' reactions starting Wednesday. Until then sticking your head in the sand and pretending that all of this information is disingenuous is probably the best reaction.