LVL 105 Osgiliath Armour = Best option for runekeepers. INTENDED ???

[Thurinos]

for runekeepers - if you want +dot pulses for maximum damage output, two peaces of *LVL 105 Osgiliath Armour* seems to be the best option. it's not available any more ingame, but can still be used if you aquired this before the 115 update...

is this intended? do you think this is no big deal because the lost stats compared to full raid gear are high enough?

would you folks prefer the old armour sets to cap at max level 119 ?? (I know some would prefer new lvl 120 sets with class specific set bonus instead)

please share your opinion



(image from beta #3)

[Hildilas]

This is just like the LM set, minstrel, warden set, beo set and maybe still the captain set from 105/115.

Nobody knows why they won't put a max level on it. No matter how much stats I gain through the new set my LM giving 30-45%inc healing is going to be the better option.

I'd like to see a max level.

[Chris91]

I hate the max level thing, just make the armor available again

[Gertes]

Things like this are the result of the mainstat change with u23.
2 Mastery for a mainstat is jsut to low, its often better to wear agility/will jewellery or lower level equipment (like lvl 105 pelenor armor) on my champion just because it has better stats (Like critt/Mastery/essence slots) on it.
Mainstats need to be important again. Bring back the 8 Mastery per 1 Point Maibstat and increase the amount of amstery you need for 200% acordingly

[Hildilas]

I hate the max level thing, just make the armor available again

How about a max Level but better set bonuses on new sets?

The fact that old sets define endgame is stupid.

[Thurinos]

I hate the max level thing, just make the armor available again

How about a max Level but better set bonuses on new sets?

The fact that old sets define endgame is stupid.

I think better bonuses on new sets could fix this system - possibly also without taking away anything from the players by max-lvl restrictions or patching items half-out of the game.


It hit me really hard to realize that an old armour is going to be the best gear option again - an armour I cannot get (back) any more, while others can still use their old items.

For new players this system must be even harder, in combination with the grind for class points and legendary items I would not recommend this game for any of my friends at the moment.

I mean, how should you explain to somebody, why it is not possible to get some shiny golden essence everyone is running around with - 'sorry, you missed the once-a-year chance to get those' ? or like - back to the topic - sorry, you cannot get the same gear, because it was patched out of the game for new players

[Chris91]

I think better bonuses on new sets could fix this system - possibly also without taking away anything from the players by max-lvl restrictions or patching items half-out of the game.


It hit me really hard to realize that an old armour is going to be the best gear option again - an armour I cannot get (back) any more, while others can still use their old items.

For new players this system must be even harder, in combination with the grind for class points and legendary items I would not recommend this game for any of my friends at the moment.

I mean, how should you explain to somebody, why it is not possible to get some shiny golden essence everyone is running around with - 'sorry, you missed the once-a-year chance to get those' ? or like - back to the topic - sorry, you cannot get the same gear, because it was patched out of the game for new players

The odd thing about SSG (and Turbine before) is that sometimes they create awesome loot systems and progressions, and sometimes they fail horribly

I don't know what it is, do they not understand and sometimes do the right thing out of luck or do they understand and create a bad system for whatever reason (monetization?)

They hit the jackpot with Throne (except for the grind in the wastes). Isengart was awesome as well. Ost Dunhoth was a bit grindy, but decent. Erebor a mess with the gold item random drops and the gold bracelet recipes that caused farm raids in landscape. Mordor was a (lootbox) fiasco. And the current update is a grind as well

[Sarthien90]

The fact that old sets define endgame is stupid.

/signed

Every update there are the same discussions, the same problems, the same unfair circumstances. Would be not the case when there generally were caps. It's tiring.

[ColMcStacky]

/signed

Every update there are the same discussions, the same problems, the same unfair circumstances. Would be not the case when there generally were caps. It's tiring.

Honestly, so long as set bonuses are the junk they are pushing out with Anvil, I don't want a cap on old sets. They should just makes the sets available at the new level cap again, albeit with a lower item level to make them weaker.


If they were to actually make a real solution though rather than "fix" this halfheartedly, I'd like to see many old set bonuses rolled into an extra tier or two of the trait trees.

This would solve multiple problems with one reasonably simple change:

• Old set bonuses no longer being available for new players/players who junked them won't matter because they are now available in the trait trees.
• Certain classes will no longer be required to self-nerf stat-wise in order to be more useful by using old sets.
• We won't have "too many trait points" anymore because the amount of traits we could spend them on will have increased.
• Rather than preventing capstone traits from being usable off-spec, this would simply offer more incentive at the hypothetical higher tiers of existing trait lines to prevent us from acquiring other capstones*.

*This last point I don't personally see as a problem, but if SSG does, this would be the best solution in my opinion.

Now, some sets would have to be adjusted slightly to be available in the trait trees, and some will most likely be excluded entirely (Oathies reset and +5% Revealing Mark), but in general, this would fix many issues for many classes.

[Arnenna]

Old sets need to have the ten level restrictions for all. There should never be a scenario where it still works if you got it earlier, but it's being removed for everyone that didn't. It's unbalanced and causes problems. Either restrict it for everyone, or leave it in game for everyone. Simple.

[Hildilas]

If they were to actually make a real solution though rather than "fix" this halfheartedly, I'd like to see many old set bonuses rolled into an extra tier or two of the trait trees.

This would be like...The best solution. Or replace traits nobody uses.

Old sets need to have the ten level restrictions for all. .

What about mordor sets then?^^
I don't get anyway why they did this with the set for "long lost coins" - my warden was naked hitting 120, but not with other sets.

[Arnenna]

This would be like...The best solution. Or replace traits nobody uses.



What about mordor sets then?^^
I don't get anyway why they did this with the set for "long lost coins" - my warden was naked hitting 120, but not with other sets.

Mordor sets are within five levels of the game, hence they are still pretty relevant. They should be still available for all to earn and use. I've no idea if that is the case, but if they have been removed so that people cannot earn them now, then they should be removed from all players that already have them.

There is no half baked on this IMO. All players should have equal chance to gain advantage from gear, bar none. If gear is made obsolete, then it should be obsolete for all players.

[Kakistos]

How about a max Level but better set bonuses on new sets?

The fact that old sets define endgame is stupid.

/signed

There's nothing left to say except that the devs know that and just do nothing

[Mithrandir1903]

Hi, ./signed

As an end game player who have both RK and captain seeing old sets sometimes still best in slot EXTREMELY ANNOYING!!! Imagine you play so hard to make your toons very well gaered and game itself puts barriers on you. What is the point of that ? Seriously? I can understand time limited cosmetic stuff and people cannot get some cosmetic anymore. But making same for end game? Totaly against the justice spirit. Wheter remove them completey or let everyone can still get those set bonus items.

So here is my question, pls I really want simple answer=

Do developers aware of this situation ?

Really I wonder about that . Do they know some best in slot items are cannot be earnable anymore but people who started playing game before can wear them. Very clean and simple question.

[Thurinos]

I can understand time limited cosmetic stuff and people cannot get some cosmetic anymore. But making same for end game?
Totaly against the justice spirit. Wheter remove them completey or let everyone can still get those set bonus items.

I agree! For this reason I started this thread... I hope we get attention from the devs on this

Do developers aware of this situation ?
...Do they know some best in slot items are cannot be earnable anymore but people who started playing game before can wear them.

That's the question!!!

But, limited time set-armour fits into the system of the limited time golden essences and previously the thrang pocket... this does look like a plan and not a mistake

[Rimenuir]

I agree! For this reason I started this thread... I hope we get attention from the devs on this




That's the question!!!

But, limited time set-armour fits into the system of the limited time golden essences and previously the thrang pocket... this does look like a plan and not a mistake

Honestly just bring back osgiliath armor/pelennor armor with 120 set bonuses.... put usefull setbonuses on the gear too (although crit + induction set is gonna be op on hunter) and let everyone do things how they want instead of cookie cutter builds.


but that will never happen.

[Kakistos]

Do developers aware of this situation ?

Really I wonder about that . Do they know some best in slot items are cannot be earnable anymore but people who started playing game before can wear them. Very clean and simple question.

I'm pretty sure that the devs know the problem because I know many players who have written tickets because of that. But after the last few months did not go into it that these sets should be lvl caped I think honestly: they just do not care.

I find it very sad because these sets but intervene in the endgame mechanics in my opinion

[luckygirl1]

Honestly just bring back osgiliath armor/pelennor armor with 120 set bonuses.... .

Hey! Settle down now, that would make this game way too interesting

[Kakistos]

Again, you can see again the lack of communication between the developers and the players.

the theme that the old sets should get a level cap has been around for months now and there was not a comment from the developers.

I can understand very well that the mood of the players towards the developers is now very negative because they do not care about anything and the players only seem like money cows. in fact, many of the players only play because of their contacts and friends they have found over the years and not because of the game. I have always loved the game but what the last 2-3 years is offered is very cheeky. we all thought after mordor it gets better again and goes in the right direction but if you look at the last update alone you can only cry


but I do not want to digress the topic are actually the sets that should finally get a levelcap and not do it. and for months the developers are waiting for an answer but nothing happens. and the apology of a small team, I can not apply anymore because if, for example, the shop fails times like the days it takes less than three hours to work again. it is really sad how the player base is handled

[Hildilas]

Again, you can see again the lack of communication between the developers and the players.

the theme that the old sets should get a level cap has been around for months now and there was not a comment from the developers.

I can understand very well that the mood of the players towards the developers is now very negative because they do not care about anything and the players only seem like money cows. in fact, many of the players only play because of their contacts and friends they have found over the years and not because of the game. I have always loved the game but what the last 2-3 years is offered is very cheeky. we all thought after mordor it gets better again and goes in the right direction but if you look at the last update alone you can only cry


but I do not want to digress the topic are actually the sets that should finally get a levelcap and not do it. and for months the developers are waiting for an answer but nothing happens. and the apology of a small team, I can not apply anymore because if, for example, the shop fails times like the days it takes less than three hours to work again. it is really sad how the player base is handled

Agreed. + THEY ARE ABLE TO PUT A MAX LEVEL ON NEWER SETS! Just take a look at the Newfound Coin sets!

[luckygirl1]

Removing set bonuses completely from the Osgiliath and Pelennor instance sets was a huge mistake. They should restore them.

What they should do is level cap the set bonuses like they have done with the Orthanc and PvP sets. But removing set bonuses altogether just damages the game.

[Rimenuir]

Removing set bonuses completely from the Osgiliath and Pelennor instance sets was a huge mistake. They should restore them.

Nah, this way people will have a reason to buy the questpack, let them just not have a questpack purchased because of zero point in running the content.


It would be nice if they just scaled the set bonuses to 120, same with Pelennor (as I said before)

[Kakistos]

this is not about scaling the instances (which they like to be able to do) but about finally laying down a level cap on the old stuff because It can not be the old stuff that dominates the endcontent

[wispsong]

this is not about scaling the instances (which they like to be able to do) but about finally laying down a level cap on the old stuff because It can not be the old stuff that dominates the endcontent

They have a level cap on older sets and I wish they instead just remove the bonus. I don't want my character to be naked just because she gains a level. Cap on gear should never exist.

[luckygirl1]

They have a level cap on older sets and I wish they instead just remove the bonus.

No, absolutely not. Stop removing / deleting bonuses from content you have to pay for.

Disable the set bonuses at a certain level cap, wear the gear if you really want to. Just disable the bonuses and stop removing them completely from the game