Well, I'm not exactly sure if these are what you mean, but I remember that Bullroarer invented golf by knocking off Golfimbul's head into a hole and Bilbo made up Hey Diddle Diddle in the Prancing Pony.
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Well, I'm not exactly sure if these are what you mean, but I remember that Bullroarer invented golf by knocking off Golfimbul's head into a hole and Bilbo made up Hey Diddle Diddle in the Prancing Pony.
There's also a clock on Bilbo's mantlepiece in the Hobbit... if you're talking material objects here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminatus1379
I forget where, but didn't he describe something as sounding "like an express train rushing by" in one of the books?
Alright I think it's time you told us the answer because you've brought the game to a halt for a couple days now.
Well, I'll just start a new question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gui_Incognito
Which "type" of Hobbit (of the 3 in-game) was most at home near water?
Back to the old question, since the new one is very easy (Stoors), in the chapter with the stone giants, Thorin mentions that if they "don't get blown off, or drowned, or struck by lightning, we shall be picked up by some giant and kicked sky-high for a football."
I just wanted something quick to get us going again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanoroch
I'll try again...
What year was Bilbo born in?
Bilbo was born in 2890 T.A.
What did Glorfindel lay upon the Last Bridge that Aragorn later found?
A beryl, or an Elf-Stone. What are the names of the river that crosses the Last Bridge?
Trick question. No river crosses the Last Bridge. It's the Last Bridge that crosses the river! :p
(It was the River Mitheithel, by the way.) :cool:
I'll ask another question, how many Nazgul did Gandalf fight off on top of weathertop?
4, Who was the leader of the elves that Frodo, Pippen, and Sam met on their way to Crickhollow, What house of elves did they come from, and who was their lord?Quote:
Originally Posted by Womdon
Gildor Inglorion, the House of Finrod. Difficult to say who their actual Lord would be, either Galadriel as she (sister of Finrod) or Elrond.Quote:
Originally Posted by sloth72khs
My forum name is an alternative version of a name from the Silmarillion. What is the more widely known version of the name and who is it?
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Originally Posted by Kosomok
That would be Gothmog I beleive. He is the chief of the Balrogs.
One other character shares the name Gothmog. When does he appear and what is his role?
I believe he was a chief orc at Minas Morgul in Return of the King.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffor
________________________
The wisest of the Maiar once dwelt in Lorien in the Blessed Lands, where he often visited the house of Nienna and from her learned pity and patience. He put fair visions and promptings of wisdom into the minds of the Elves when they lived in Valinor but while the Two Trees lived the Elves never saw him unless it was disguised as just another Elf, so they didn't know where these visions and wisdom came from.
Who was this Maiar, what was his name in Quenya, and by what name is he more popularly known by readers of Tolkien?
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Originally Posted by Womdon
Don't mean to hijack the thread here, but I believe Gandalf was having tea at orthanc while the hobbits were at Weathertop. So technically, trick question, he fought none. Aragorn fought off four.
Since no one else has asked a question and I get bonus points for catching this one, here's one, rather detailed: describe briefly the fate of each of Thorin's company.
EDIT: Sorry I missed that last question, wasn't reading in enough detail. The answer is Olorin, or Gandalf as we know him.
Gandalf did indeed encounter Balck Riders on Weathertop...Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
I could be wrong, but Gandalf seems to be saying that he fought all Nine of the Nazgul and that four continued to pursue him, leaving five to meet Frodo and company.Quote:
But they closed round at night, and I was besieged on the hill-top, in the old ring of Amon Sûl. I was hard put to it indeed: such light and flame cannot have been seen on Weathertop since the war-beacons of old. "At sunrise I escaped and fled towards the north. I could not hope to do more. It was impossible to find you, Frodo, in the wilderness, and it would have been folly to try with all the Nine at my heels. So I had to trust to Aragorn. But I hoped to draw some of them off, and yet reach Rivendell ahead of you and send out help. Four Riders did indeed follow me, but they turned back after a while and made for the Ford, it seems.
You really fail Illuminatus. After a while, you're supposed to reveal the answers to your questions, if no one got them right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illuminatus1379
[QUOTE=edwinunger;1727442]Don't mean to hijack the thread here, but I believe Gandalf was having tea at orthanc while the hobbits were at Weathertop. So technically, trick question, he fought none. Aragorn fought off four.QUOTE]
As previously mentioned he did indeed fight Black Riders on Weathertop. Not when the Hobbits were there as you thought but several days earlier, October 3rd as he marked on a rock. The Hobbits and Aragorn see lightning far away and wonder what it is on the night he battles on Weathertop.
And anyway, Tolkien got it wrong: as we now know, Aragorn fought five Nazgul up there, not four. That's shown quite plainly in the movie, which as you know was filmed on location as it happened. :p
Ooops, guess my question caused a bit of controversy. Maybe I should have asked something with a clearer answer. I don't think there's another question currently up, so I'll ask another:
Why was Thorin given the nickname "Oakenshield" ?
Wasn't it when he used an oak branch as a shield?
I suck with questions so if anyone else wnats to do one ... lol
Yes that answer was correct. I'll give this game a shot.
Who created the Misty Mountains and what was their purpose?
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Originally Posted by FlyFearless
Okay this one is for vindication from my earlier mistake.
Melkor created the Misties to make it harder for Orome to hunt in ME.
Who was the dwarf who "helped" Turin hide from goblins, but later betrayed he and his companions?
Mim the petty-Dwarf, who was killed by ____________?Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
Hurin. Mim's son was?Quote:
Originally Posted by LOTRFan101
He had two, Ibun and Khun.
Who drew their sword and faced down the Nazgul from across the ford of Bruinen?
<books, not movie>
Ah, got me on that one, I forgot about the other brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Womdon
Glorfindel is the answer to yours.
Game to books reference question: What story does Book 7.8 give a nod to in the books?
I don't know the answer to your question off the top of my head - I'll check it out - but Glorfindel isn't the answer to mine. He was there, but he remained on the other side of the river to summon the waters.
Ah, was it Frodo? He gave his "defiant stand" there, and his sword broke. But Elrond and Gandalf summoned the waters, not Glorfindel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Womdon
Aye, Frodo. That was one of the scenes that really disappointed me in the theatre. I could understand cutting Glorfindel out, but turning Frodo into a complete pansy ticked me off. While watching the scene where Arwen was crying over top of Frodo, I just wanted to sock Liv Tyler right in the chops.
As for the water... well maybe it's time I reread the books again, heheh.
Okay have to be fair, Elrond wasn't actually AT the ford when it happened. Glorfindel just "feels" the power of Elrond's protection for his lands, mixed with another passionate power, that of Gandalf's. Elrond brought the water, Gandalf put the little horsey images into it. Still waiting on my question everyone... What story does Book 7.8 in LOTRO reference? Hint: Don't think J.R.R.
Glorfindel revealed his true form as an Elf Lord who had seen the light of Aman. This alone put fear into the Nazgul at the ford. Additionally, Glorfindel and Aragorn wielded torches. Natural elements can damage the wraiths and thus they suffered additional terror from the fire and the water of the fords. Being caught between an Elf lord of long lineage (not to mention one that had fought Balrogs toe to toe, died, and had been resurrected of sorts), the Heir of Isildur (though not yet revealed), and fire on one side and a running river on the other became a difficult choice for the Nazgul to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Womdon
And once Elrond sprang the trap and the torrent caught the horses of the Nazgul (with added touched by Gandalf in the form of white horses on the foam), terror and fear gave way to concession and surrendur to the elements and the powers....
And at first I didn't like the way they completely changed Faramir's reaction to the Ring and his initial decision to take it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Womdon
But the way I think about it now is to reflect that the same myth is often told in different ways, and from a perspective of the underlying myth both versions can be "true" even when the details differ. That way I can enjoy and appreciate both versions. And I think that's consistent with Tolkien's desire to create a mythology for the English: that the "facts" may differ in different tellings means he has more closely acheived his objective, and I think he would be happy with that.
What do you mean by "in the books"? The LotR books or the LotRO books? Or anyone's books?Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
As I recall in 7.8 you're accompanying a young woman to try to rescue her father from an evil place (in this case, Carn Dum). That's a familiar motif, e.g., the computer fantasy game Heavenly Sword, and in fiction Sabriel by Garth Nix in which she's trying to rescue her father from some "land of the dead." In fact it echoes back to the ancient Greek myth of Orpheus going to Hades to bring back his dead wife, and I think in another story Hercules is actually sucessful at it.
And then there's Beauty and the Beast, where a daughter essentually trades places with her father to save his life.
But if this is a quiz about Middle Earth how can we "not think J.R.R."?
Okay Grad, you've forced my hand. All of your ideas were really good, ones I hadn't even thought of, which is why I have to get rid of the confusion. I was actually referring to something middle earth, just not specifically J.R.R. My question comes from a work by Christopher, his son (notes were by J.R.R, but actual writing was done by Chris). In Children of Hurin, Hurin is held captive by Morgoth for the entire life of his wife, son, and two daughters. During his capture, Morgoth forces him to watch his children and wife, watch their life threads separate and remeet, watch their doom come to fruition through their own follies of pride and ignorance. At the end of it all, Hurin is released to be with his wife again, but he has lost all hope.
In 7.8 of LOTRO, we learn that Golodir has been held captive by Mordirith and made to look into the Palantir. He watches as his friends and loved ones are crushed under the might of Angmar. After his spirit has been crushed, he is released.
I understand that my question probably wasn't specific enough, I was just trying to point out the comparison I saw in these two events. I truly think Turbine did this on purpose, and it was definitely a good reference IMO.
Someone else ask the next one.
That story was in The Silmarillion too. Perhaps Children of Hurin (I never read it) was an elaboration by Chris T. of that story?Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
Ah yes, I see what you mean! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
I'll add one:
How was Rose related to Sam besides her being his wife?
Well, Rosie's brother is Sam's brother-in-law, not sure what that would make Rosie though...
Hamfast (Gaffer, Sam's Father) is the brother of Cotman. Cotman is the grandfather of Tom Cotton, who was the Father of Rosie. This is the official relationship, but I don't know what it would be called.
Also, after much research, I learned that "Gamgee" is a surname that stands for "cotton-wool," named for a guy named Gamgee who invented a surgical tissue. This was meant to show the relationship between the Cottons and Gamgees. Fun stuff.
Why is Gandalf given the honor of riding on the back of Eagles, rather than being carried in their talons?
Because he had saved their leader countless years ealier from something which I cannot recall.
Umm... Easy question but who is gloins son. :P
Gimli, but bonus points for telling me what Gandalf saved one of the eagles from, and also the name of the Eagle.
He had a thorn in his paw... no wait, that was Androcles and the lion.;)
An arrow-wound. Though not specifically named in the Hobbit, I always assumed it was Gwaihir...Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
Yes, arrow wound and Gwaihir, Lord of the Eagles it was! I'm also not sure his name was mentioned, been a while since I read the Hobbit, but I do remember it mentioned that Gandalf saved the Lord of all Eagles, so I assume that since we learn Gwaihir is the King, he was King back then as well.
OK, name one of Gwaihir's brothers.
Meneldor (my server of choice)
Name the other!
Landroval!
The phrase "Middle Earth" did not originate with J.R.R. Tolkien; he read it somewhere else first. Where (in what work) did he read it, who wrote it, and to what place(s) did it refer?
While I don't have all those answers but I'm assuming you're referring to Midgrad, Norse mythology for the land of man, between the land of the gods and... whatever was below.Quote:
Originally Posted by gradivus
And is where he got it The Ring of The Neblung (sp, and obviously not in German) by Wagner?
...actually that might answer all your questions..
Edit:
While looking up the correct spelling (it's Nibelung) I saw this, which is probably what you were looking for. Posed the question back in high school, I would have been all over it, but sadly my Norse knowledge has decreased in later years :(
;)
That part is correct; Middle Earth is an ancient phrase for the world in which we live, lying between heaven and earth. But according to Tolkien, he read it in a specific work, an ancient poem in fact, and it was not Norse, but English (Anglo-Saxon, in fact).Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_H
It would be easy enough to find in Google, now that you know that, but give a little time for someone who might actually know, and then I'll give the answer.
Extra points if you can give me the original Middle-English passage from the poem, and/or tell me what LOTR character name he also obtained from that passage. :)
The poem is named Crist, and the lines were:
Eala éarendel engla beorhtast
Ofer middangeard monnum sended
In translation,
Hail Earendel, brightest of angels,
Sent over Middle-earth to men.
Hence the inspiration for Eärendil.
Who were Eärendil's sons, and where were they born?
Elrond and Elros. If I remember right it was at the Mouth of Sirion by the sea they were born, the final refuge of Elves from Gondolin, and the (3rd?) kinslaying at Doriath.
Who was the noble guardian of the Fountain in Gondolin?
Ecthelion. What was his fate?
He slays and is slain by Gothmog in single combat while defending the refugees of gondolin.
Who betrayed the city of Gondolin and why?
Right! :) The only thing you didn't reveal was who wrote it: Cynewulf, a Middle-English poet. He wrote (this among other poems) in runic Saxon script.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linwen
"Éala, Éarendel, engla beorhtast,
ofer middangeard monnum sended,
And soðfæsta sunnan léoma,
Torht ofer tunglas - þu tída gehwane
of sylfum þé symle inlihtes."
Tolkien later wrote this about the inspiration he received from this poem:The most important name in this connexion is Eärendil. This name is in fact (as is obvious) derived from A-S éarendel. When first studying A-S professionally (1913 –) – I had done so as a boyish hobby when supposed to be learning Greek and Latin – I was struck by the great beauty of this word (or name), entirely coherent with the normal style of A-S, but euphonic to a peculiar degree in that pleasing but not 'delectable' language. Also its form strongly suggests that it is in origin a proper name and not a common noun. This is borne out by the obviously related forms in other Germanic languages; from which amid the confusions and debasements of late traditions it at least seems certain that it belonged to astronomical-myth, and was the name of a star or star-group. To my mind the A-S uses(*) seem plainly to indicate that it was a star presaging the dawn (at any rate in English tradition): that is what we now call Venus: the morning-star as it may be seen shining brilliantly in the dawn, before the actual rising of the Sun. That is at any rate how I took it. Before 1914 I wrote a 'poem' upon Earendel who launched his ship like a bright spark from the havens of the Sun. I adopted him into my mythology – in which he became a prime figure as a mariner, and eventually as a herald star, and a sign of hope to men. Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima 'hail Earendil brightest of Stars' is derived at long remove from Éala Éarendel engla beorhtast. But the name could not be adopted just like that: it had to be accommodated to the Elvish linguistic situation, at the same time as a place for this person was made in legend.Éarendel In the context of the poem (Tolkien believed) was not the Christ himself, but someone more like John the Baptist: a herald, or divine messenger.
And you were right about its Nordic derivation--the myth anyway. As Tolkien hinted at above, the myth of Éarendelhas much older origins: In Snorri's (Prose-) Edda (Skaldskaparmal, Faulke's transl. p. 79-80) it is told how Thor carried the giant Aurvandil from Jotunheim in a basket on his back, and one of Aurvandil's toes stuck out of the basket and got frozen. Thor broke it off, and threw it up in the sky, and made a star of it, which is called Aurvandil's toe (Orvandelsta, Örvandilstâ). Other forms of the name are Orendel, Erentel, Earendel, Oervandil and Horvandillus.
So there you are: the Silmaril carried by Eärendil began as a giant's toe! :D
I got the above information mostly from the Tolkien Wiki Community webpage, http://www.thetolkienwiki.org/wiki.c...ogy/%C9arendel
Maeglin, because he was unable to gain Idril's love honestly, so he thought that by betraying Gondolin he would be able to gain her by force, which is pretty much the way his father got his mother to marry him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tarkhis
Who were Maeglin's father and mother, and what famous elf was his maternal grandfather?
Aredhel, the Mother, and Eol, the Father. Grandfather was Fingolfin, who fought Morgoth in mortal combat.
Who or what kept Morgoth from desecrating Fingolfin's broken corpse?
Thorondor showed up and carried Fingolfin's body away.
By the way, that battle between Fingolfin and Morgoth is my favorite part of all the stories that took place before the third age. To stand up to (for all intents and purposes) the god of evil and go toe to toe is pretty noteworthy in my book.
What was Morgoth/Melkor capable of that no other Vala was?
Hmm... Melkor was stronger and had greater gifts of skill and knowledge than any other, but I don't recall any ability he had that the others didn't at all (unless it was evil and deception).
No, not evil and deception... I figured this question would be a bit tricky ;)
Whew, took me a lot of research to figure this one out, good one!
Fear.
By using his own powerful essence to pour malice into everything in Middle Earth, Morgoth was lessened, and eventually became a being that could be destroyed, so unlike the other Valar, he could know fear.
Who is the only female dwarf ever mentioned in Tolkien lore?
I believe it was briefly mentioned that Thorin had a sister named Dis (as in distaff?). Her sons Fili and Kili fought (and died, I think) to save his life in the Battle of the Five Armies.
Correct! You even gave the reason she was mentioned at all - Fili and Kili, who died protecting their uncle Thorin on the battlefield of the Battle of 5 Armies. Their great sacrifice was known by all the Dwarves and so to honor them even further, they honored their Mother, Dis.
Your turn.
How old was Arwen Undomiel when she married King Elessar (Aragorn)?
Hint: Apparently old Strider was attracted to women (or at least to one Elf woman) even older than himself. ;)
She was 2,778, making her much older than Aragorn, who was at the time __________.Quote:
Originally Posted by gradivus
He was 80-something. Let's see if I can remember.... 88, I think it was? I know he was 87 in the Two Towers, and I think a year or so passed after that point before his ascension.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOTRFan101
(not sure if I'm right, and I don't want to ask the next question, I'm not too confident about my knowledge.)
Are you sure you're not counting on the movie version to be correct? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Teowulf
He was 88 at the time of the marriage (if wikipedia can be trusted) so I'd say Teowulf is probably right.
Since he didn't ask a question though, I'll jump in:cool:
Who was the first King of Rohan?
Eorl the young. What Steward of Gondor granted Eorl and his people
the lands that would become Rohan, after the battle at the field of Celebrant?
Eorl was given Kingship over Calenardhon for helping Gondor repel an attack from Mordor.
What habit did the people of Rohan practice whenever their line of Kings changed?
i.e. a King dies and has no sons (or sons are dead) to continue the blood line, so a cousin, nephew, etc. is chosen.
Whenever this change of the blood line occurred, the Rohirrim did what?
Hint: It has to do with the bodies of the dead.
I gave the hint because this may be a very difficult one.
EDIT: BLAST YOU TALANTHIAR! Anyway it was Cirion. Answer my question!
They switched the burial mounds to the other side of the road.
Okay not so difficult as I thought, I was sure that was an arbitrary note that no one would get. Ok H your turn.
;)
About how long did Bilbo sneak around the Elven-king's palace (while the dwarves were imprisoned)?
I'm going through my book now to see if there's enough info for a specific number of days, so this might just end up being a "round about there" answer, hence the 'about'. :)
I want to say it was 2 weeks or so. Many cooling pies mysteriously vanished in that time, however long. :D
There are two sections of the journey which are lacking a number of days (between two hard dates), so at best the answer would only be an educated guess (at least from what I've read just now). So I guess it's not the best riddle.
So unless someone has a more conclusive answer I'm willing to accept 2 weeks.
Though the math doesn't really add up regardless. Bonus points to the person who writes out the known math of it... or I can just post mine ;)
So Talanthiar, I guess you're up :)
When the Istari or Wizards appeared in Middle Earth, how many were there? Bonus to name all their names and colors. :)
Olorin/Gandalf the Grey
Curunir/Saruman the White
Aiwendil/Radagast the Brown
Morinehtar/Alatar the Blue
Romestamo/Pallando the (also) Blue
Five of them appeard in 1050 T.A.
Name the Orc who helped invent golf.
Golfimbul, I believe is what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by edwinunger
I can't think of a question right now, so the next person can go ahead and ask one.
Okay, how about how did that Orc (or was he a goblin? oh well doesn't matter) help invent Golf? Who else was involved?
Bandrobas "Bullroarer" Took knocked his head off with a club... it flew through the air and landed in a hole. Golf was born.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScyphozoa
What does the word snaga mean in Orcish?
Slave.
Who was the lookout chosen by Thorin's company?
Balin of course.
Glorfindel was the leader of what House of Gondolin?
House of the Golden Flower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanoroch
There is some controversy as to whether the Glorfindel of Gondolin is the same Glorfindel who later lived at Rivendell with Elrond during the events of Lord of the Rings. Gandolf seems to indicate in LotR that he is. The main problem with this theory is that the Glorfindel of Gondolin died in the final defense of that city.
Who was the mortal woman whose beauty had earned for her during her lifetime a surname that translates literally into modern English as "elf-maiden" or "beautiful elf maiden"?
Warning: I tried to make this one devilishly difficult, mostly by trying to form a question that would be extra difficult for those whose knowledge of Tolkien lore consists mainly of an expertise in using Google. If you're one of those, good luck trying to answer this one by googling "elf-maiden"! :cool:
Isn't it Nienor? Whatever her original name was...
And as for Glorfindel, Tolkien wrote in a letter that the "two Glorfindels" were one and the same. It is actually said that when Glorfindel came back to Earth, he was rewarded with such power that he was more closer to a Maia spirit than an Elf.
No, not Niënor Níniel. This is a really tough one; you won't find it by looking in an index. You have to actually know the lore, plus (and this is a hint) you have to either know the elvish languages so well that you can interpret the meaning of Elvish names (it's not cheating to look in an elvish language dictionary, by the way), or know the ancient meanings of modern English words. There's a further hint I can give that will help, but then you might be able to find the answer merely by googling or looking in the Encyclopedia of Arda. Or... maybe not. Let me know when y'all want me to give you a hint.
And yes, Tolkien was determined to somehow reconcile the apparent impossibility of making the two Glorfindels one and the same, since he envisioned them as the same person. However, it was a stretch even for him, and he did have to resort to a deus ex machina explanation to do so. And not even in the text, but (as you say) in a letter. It's one thing to put resurrection into a myth, to apply it to beings of spiritual genesis like Gandolf, or to men or elves who are "on the other side" (in the Blessed Lands), but it's difficult to swallow the idea of one of the Children of Ilúvatar actually returning from the Halls of Mandos to Middle Earth, living in a house, and taking part in contemporary events, so it would have been difficult to have it given as a fact in the novel.
It was Morwen, surnamed Edhelwen (elf-maiden), wife of Húrin and mother of Túrin and Nienor.
Morwen wasn't the only one of the family to be known by other names. What were some the names that Túrin used (or was known as)?
Excellent! I was afraid no one would get it. The text translates Edhelwen as Elfsheen, which can throw you off unless you know that sheen has an archaic English meaning of beautiful, and you remember that -wen is a Qenya suffix indicating daughter or maiden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linwen
Neithan - The WrongedQuote:
Originally Posted by Linwen
Gorthol - Dread Helm
Agarwaen, son of Umarth - Bloodstained, son of Ill-Fate
Adanadhel - Elf-Man
Mormegil - Black Sword
Turambar - Master of Doom
Not sure if that's all of them, I did some thumbing through the book to find them.
What is the name of Thorin's sword that the company finds in the hoard of the Trolls?
ACH! I was so close! Nienor was Morwen's daughter :-D
As for the Glorfindel thing, in Tolkien's original vision, Elves would be resurrected on a regular basis. I'm reading through the History of Middle-Earth series and somewhere in there it's stated that deceased Elves, after fulfilling their time of reflection in Mandos' halls, the Elves that deserved such a reward would be reborn as their children's children. This, obviously, was abandoned.
If Elves ever resurrected besides Glorfindel, it was never mentioned.
AS FOR THE PREVIOUS QUESTION'S ANSWER: Orcrist, yes?
Yes, Orcrist, the Goblin Cleaver, called Biter by the Goblins! Easy one, but not as easy as Glamdring would have been.
No question's up so I'll jump in. Speaking of glamdring, who did Elrond state wielded it long ago?
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The glorfindel thing does kind of surprise me. JRRT wasn't usually the kind of guy to leave an important detail hanging out there unexplained unless it suited him, such as Bombadil. I consider Glorfindel to be the original first age elf though. At the end of the day the Valar can do whatever they please, sending him back isn't that big of a deal.
There was another elf, though, that sent her spirit to the halls of the dead and came back out the other side with a body again. (Hmm, maybe I should have picked that as my question) She even had the wherewithal to bring a dead buddy of hers back with her ;)
Turgon, the king of Gondolin?
Aye, the king of Gondolin (although Elrond didn't name him it's pretty safe to assume that's who he meant)
There once was a giant evil cat who took the place of Sauron in Tolkien's original writing. What was its name?
That was Lúthien, who with her great love Beren took a Silmaril back from Morgoth, whom she was able to lull to sleep with the power/magic of her singing. Her musical talents were so great that, reminiscent of the myth of Orpheus, when her husband Beren died and she wasted away from grief and passed to the Halls of Mandos, she was able to move Mandos so greatly with her singing that he allowed her and Beren to return to life, and to Middle Earth. (Although at the moment I don't remember what Beren, being human, was doing in the Halls of Mandos in the first place. Did marrying Lúthien somehow get him turned into an elf? I don't recall.) There are many parallels between the story of Lúthien and Beren, and the story of Arwen and Aragorn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Womdon
As someone pointed out, there were other elves, etc. who returned from the dead. However, as I indicated earlier, with the (apparent) exception of Glorfindel, by the time of the events of Lord of the Rings those elves had already left the world (i.e., Middle Earth) and their stories had become myth.
(Since that wasn't your "main" question, I won't leave another.)
Uhhhhh... no clue. Seriously? Giant evil cat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arasilion
In answering (and posing) questions in this thread, I consider only the three "Middle Earth" works published during Tolkien's life (The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion) to be acceptable canon. Part of the reason for this may be that I haven't read, and don't have the time or patience to read, all of the material published after Tolkien's death by his son Christopher, but also because an author is entitled to make changes from his original drafts, and I consider only those he actually allowed to be published during his lifetime as reflecting the "approved" history of Middle Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arasilion
And that goes for your "giant cat" question too. ;) [jk]
Tevildo, Prince of Cats! This was in History of Middle Earth. Tolkien changed Sauron's name and form several times before LOTR.
What does Turin wear that causes the Orcs to fear him greatly?
Many bonus points if you can tell me who it was made for, and each person that had it up until it was lost.
Ooh good one. Would it be the Dragon helm of Dor Lomin? About all I remember of it's lineage offhand, is that it was gifted to Hador from Fingon, then passed from Hurin to Turin as an heirloom of their house.
Good one Talanthiar! But can you (or someone else) tell me who had it before Fingon, and before him, and who it was crafter for (and by who, why not)?
Next question still goes to Talanthiar, just wanted some filler.