Boxing + Farming Should Require Multiple *Subscriptions*

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Originally Posted by matalan

As I said in the preface, I get the point you're making. BUT you can also think of it like this - would the game be better if 12 times the amount of INDIVIDUAL players were logging in and doing things solo? It would still be 12 times the load on the server, right? AND that would be possible without paying due to the F2P model.

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Would the game be better if there were 12x as many customers? Yes! Of course it would be. It's highly likely that a high percentage would eventually pay something. But the real question you should be asking is, "Would it be better if 12x as many players were logged in playing or the current number of players were all running 12 clients?" The answer to that question should be pretty obvious. Even ignoring all the negative effects multiboxers have on the grind and the game's economy, it's simply better to have more people playing than fewer. That's the answer to your issue about performance too, by the way. Even if the servers worked flawlessly and could easily handle 1000x as many connections as they currently do, multiboxing would still have negative impacts on the game (the grind, inflation, gold farming...) and shouldn't be allowed.

NO!

If twelve friends playing through the same router were in fellowship, your evil plan would have them banned. Your despicable idea should be flushed down the pipes with the rest of the waste. This reads just like any other thread that follows the pattern of "anyone who does not play like I want them to must be cheating/exploiting and should be banned from the game".

Stop trying to control everyone else's fun. You have no jurisdiction here.

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Originally Posted by Tsch

If twelve friends playing through the same router were in fellowship, your evil plan would have them banned.

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No. It wouldn't.

Which is quite a relief. Because now I can skip over all the ridiculous hyperbole that followed.

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Originally Posted by Gyes

I can read just fine. The fact that you haven't cut and pasted your responses is indicative that they don't exist. Pretty obviously too, since you promised to answer in Spanish. So I'll answer my questions for you:

No, of course not. They intend each person to run one account. If they intended you to run multiple characters simultaneously, it would be a built-in feature in the client. Further, most of the game's content is designed to be done solo. If they intended everyone to have a train of 11 LMs and pets, there wouldn't be solo landscape monsters. They'd all be elite masters at the bare minimum. You know, kinda like how instances are.

Worse, of course. The servers can barely handle the current number of connections. If everyone suddenly started using 12x the server resources, the servers would implode.

Absolutely none. Multiboxers are simply in it to make their own lives easier and more enriched.

Now pay attention, because here's the important part. If there's one thought in moral philosophy that's pretty much universally accepted, it's the idea that you should only undertake actions if you would want them to be done by everyone else. It should be painfully obvious, even to you, that multiboxing fails this test because of the answer to my second question. It's time to drop the pretense. Just admit you multibox because it's in your own personal self-interest and you don't care about the effects it has on everyone else. Own your greed. No one will think any less of you (in my case, because it's not possible). If you've said anything in this whole thread that's true, it's that the kind of exploiting you do is permitted under the current CoC, so take solace in that and keep on exploiting until you either get bored or the devs change the rules. Just stop trying to pretend that you aren't exploiting.

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Originally Posted by watevaplz

-> Exactly if that is how SSG police their afk and against bot/macro I have no problem with getting banned if I get caught. I hate players who used an 3rd party program.
-> So you yourself suggest that North Ithilien lag was not because of multiboxer, nor you honestly believe that 100+ players in the The Waste farms 50% of them are multiboxers. So why pin it to them?
->Bot and macros are totally outside the realm of an ingame skill like pets being in aggressive stance or defensive stance.
-> wait do you think that my 6x f2p bought powerleveled by valar outnumbers the number of players that are f2p?
-> 12 x of high probability of items dropping doesn't mean a guaranteed drop. I can go out dry for a whole 1 hour before log off.


Do I honestly think SSG wants and expects me to run my little army? Sure? No violation of terms of service, they got the money for advancesment. Should any company limit consumption of their product aka "SSG's Resources"?

That be great if more players multibox so maybe finally you guys got that 50% of "SSG's resources" being used by multiboxers.

Why do you think multiboxers play in the first place? So they can run with one toon and log another off? LOL

"All this quality of game" means almost all mmo games are not good because they allow multiboxing. Got it. Totally acceptable criticism on your part.

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Before you yap about it why not browse back and yes I did reply and stop making things up.

Now let's see if you answer my questions on that supposedly non-existent reply of mine?

---> On your question regarding "quality". This probably opinionated judgement right? Since you think that multiboxers are reducing quality, game developers that ALLOW multiboxers which is most MMOrpgs. Hmmmn Ok that is base on your opinion frankly it doesn't affect ANY companies that conduct themselves and allow multiboxers to log into their servers. I respect your opinion "lacking quality" you seek base in your playstyle.
---> The question of your OPINIONATED suggestion that a game lacks quality because multiboxers are allowed to play should not be part of any "universal" philosophy especially in terms of "moral" implications according to YOUR standards.
----> Multiboxing is not an exploit.

The funny part about this thread, the multi-boxers are sitting here typing pages and pages of their thoughts, all the while, their 6-12 LMs are making 50 gold per minute at strategic farming points in the game listening for a GM tell to profess they aren't AFK. ;)

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Originally Posted by Hurin

No. It wouldn't.

Which is quite a relief. Because now I can skip over all the ridiculous hyperbole that followed.

--H

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Like your "Hypothetical Future" that never happened in the span of 10 years? Thank! We can finally skip this forum post.

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Originally Posted by greetingsdownunder

The funny part about this thread, the multi-boxers are sitting here typing pages and pages of their thoughts, all the while, their 6-12 LMs are making 50 gold per minute at strategic farming points in the game listening for a GM tell to profess they aren't AFK. ;)

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It is so hard to press alt tab. Heal someone tagging enemies and get loot. Or use one a/e to tag all the mobs and let the pets do the work.

50g per minute is definitely an exaggeration maybe I look forward to that in the next "Hypothetical Future" in terms of farming.

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Originally Posted by watevaplz

The question of your OPINIONATED suggestion that a game lacks quality because multiboxers are allowed to play should not be part of any "universal" philosophy especially in terms of "moral" implications according to YOUR standards.

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Well of course your agenda won't let you concede that a game has more integrity when one player can't magically multiply the loot from one mob across himself six or twelve times.

Of course you won't concede that the change to the loot system years ago was intended to provide full loot to each player and the intent was not to give boxers 6x and 12x the loot for their own personal loot.

Of course you won't concede that games with more integrity/quality don't intend to let one player commandeer twelve characters, travel to the spot where black goats spawn almost continuously in Enedwaith, and in less than an hour deposit 12,000 Magnificent Hides in one player's inventory. Nope nothing wrong with quality or integrity of the game there at all!

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Originally Posted by Hurin

Well of course your agenda won't let you concede that a game has more integrity when one player can't magically multiply the loot from one mob across himself six or twelve times.

Of course you won't concede that the change to the loot system years ago was intended to provide full loot to each player and the intent was not to give boxers 6x and 12x the loot for their own personal loot.

Of course you won't concede that games with more integrity/quality don't intend to let one player commandeer twelve characters, travel to the spot where black goats spawn almost continuously in Enedwaith, and in less than an hour deposit 12,000 Magnificent Hides in one player's inventory. Nope nothing wrong with quality or integrity of the game there at all!

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Talking about integrity you are the one that just made an hyperbole (AKA hypothetical future) to show your intent to target multi boxing community which is absolutely legal according to Turbine / SSG.

So one's gain of getting 12,000 magnificent hides, how did it affect you overall? How did it lower the quality of the game? You know you can do that inside warg pens right? LOL solo too. Did it destroy your market and stock of magnificent hides and cry foul because you are now broke living in the street of bree asking for alms? If not this sounds like jealousy. Now I call your integrity once again.

Although I am not against multiboxing in lotro, the easiest way to get rid of multiboxing farmers is to remove the current personal loot system and revert back to needed to click on the corpse and /roll for anything if in a group. That will deal with the issue at a stroke.

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Originally Posted by watevaplz

Talking about integrity you are the one that just made an hyperbole (AKA hypothetical future) to show your intent to target multi boxing community which is absolutely legal according to Turbine / SSG.

So one's gain of getting 12,000 magnificent hides, how did it affect you overall? How did it lower the quality of the game? You know you can do that inside warg pens right? LOL solo too. Did it destroy your market and stock of magnificent hides and cry foul because you are now broke living in the street of bree asking for alms? If not this sounds like jealousy. Now I call your integrity once again.

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Not personal integrity. The game's integrity.

*sigh* Time to dust this one off. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dakxwoVV7yM

Oh, and 12,000 magnificent hides solo in Warg Pens in an hour. Okay. Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes

Although I am not against multiboxing in lotro, the easiest way to get rid of multiboxing farmers is to remove the current personal loot system and revert back to needed to click on the corpse and /roll for anything if in a group. That will deal with the issue at a stroke.

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bingo. offered this suggestion so many times.

SSG hasn't taken us up on the idea.

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Originally Posted by watevaplz

50g per minute is definitely an exaggeration maybe I look forward to that in the next "Hypothetical Future" in terms of farming.

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Once you sell all those keys, lootboxes, tomes, solvents, & mats on the AH, 50g per minute is pretty accurate.

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Originally Posted by greetingsdownunder

bingo.

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No, bango.

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Originally Posted by greetingsdownunder

bingo. offered this suggestion so many times.

SSG hasn't taken us up on the idea.

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That's more a reflection on SSG's inability to listen to and discuss sensible ideas than anything else.

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Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes

That's more a reflection on SSG's inability to listen to and discuss sensible ideas than anything else.

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To be fair, it's hard to see them taking concerns about this seriously when the entire premise of the Store business model is arguably to sell off the integrity of the game bit by bit.

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Originally Posted by Hurin

To be fair, it's hard to see them taking concerns about this seriously when the entire premise of the Store business model is arguably to sell off the integrity of the game bit by bit.

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We'll just have to wait and see what their next move is, though I suspect it will be a rock solid impression of three brass monkeys.

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Originally Posted by greetingsdownunder

bingo. offered this suggestion so many times.

SSG hasn't taken us up on the idea.



Once you sell all those keys, lootboxes, tomes, solvents, & mats on the AH, 50g per minute is pretty accurate.

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Please show me a proof of these I got 6 account and never have 50g per minute. Do you multibox? I understand if the scenario is a guaranteed drop of any of these per minute. Who you kidding?

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Originally Posted by Hurin

Not personal integrity. The game's integrity.

*sigh* Time to dust this one off. . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dakxwoVV7yM

Oh, and 12,000 magnificent hides solo in Warg Pens in an hour. Okay. Whatever you say. :rolleyes:

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Wow another exaggeration, your "Hypothetical Future" scenarios right? 12k in an hour how did affect "Games" integrity.
Explain "Games Integrity". For some players they want stuff so how is this breaking games "integrity" and design? Just for you I googled Games Integrity (this is the first, "verify gamefiles hahahaha).

I would seriously love to know what you meant by "Games Integrity", it is not like a doping incident right? Not Verify Cache? It is not You should not kill in an MMO, it is not religious, philosophical. Since I connected the previous remark about "moral" standings and "non personal" integrity. I can only assume it means the rules of the game. TOS/EULA? These are the closest I got to. So please do explain "Games Integrity", so we can get to the same topic and not me being "obtuse".

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Originally Posted by watevaplz

Before you yap about it why not browse back and yes I did reply and stop making things up.

Now let's see if you answer my questions on that supposedly non-existent reply of mine?

---> On your question regarding "quality". This probably opinionated judgement right? Since you think that multiboxers are reducing quality, game developers that ALLOW multiboxers which is most MMOrpgs. Hmmmn Ok that is base on your opinion frankly it doesn't affect ANY companies that conduct themselves and allow multiboxers to log into their servers. I respect your opinion "lacking quality" you seek base in your playstyle.
---> The question of your OPINIONATED suggestion that a game lacks quality because multiboxers are allowed to play should not be part of any "universal" philosophy especially in terms of "moral" implications according to YOUR standards.
----> Multiboxing is not an exploit.

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I think it's funny you didn't even attempt to refute the answers I gave to my own questions. I can safely say I am done with you. As I said, go on cheating if it makes you feel like a big man. It's really sad that you can't acknowledge, even to yourself, that you're exploiting. It doesn't speak well of your character.

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Originally Posted by Gyes

I think it's funny you didn't even attempt to refute the answers I gave to my own questions. I can safely say I am done with you. As I said, go on cheating if it makes you feel like a big man. It's really sad that you can't acknowledge, even to yourself, that you're exploiting. It doesn't speak well of your character.

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I clearly identify what i've said and answered most of your questions. You on the other hand never attempted to answer any of the questions I asked you. I'm done with this interview.

Didn't know killing is exploiting. Or Multiboxing is exploiting. You should tell SSG/Turbine about this. I'm surprised myself, thanks for coming up here with your high "standards" of what you think should happen in games.

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Originally Posted by watevaplz

I clearly identify what i've said and answered most of your questions. You on the other hand never attempted to answer any of the questions I asked you. I'm done with this interview.

Didn't know killing is exploiting. Or Multiboxing is exploiting. You should tell SSG/Turbine about this. I'm surprised myself, thanks for coming up here with your high "standards" of what you think should happen in games.

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I'm sorry, I don't see any answers to my questions.

I asked:

"Do you honestly think SSG wants or expects you to run your little army?"

You said "it's not against the rules". That's not an answer. I didn't ask if it was against the rules. I asked, as my answer to my own question clearly shows, whether or not the devs intend or expect everyone to run around doing content with 12 characters multiboxed. They clearly do not, or it would be a built-in feature of the game.

I asked:

"Do you think the game would be better or worse if everyone else ran 12 accounts simultaneously?"

You blathered some nonsense about 50% of the server resources. That's not an answer. That's simply some misunderstanding you had about a comment made by another poster. I want to know why you think the game would be better with 12x as much strain on the servers. Or with more grind. Or with the a gutted economy. Or any of the other problems you're causing. Or alternatively, maybe you can tell me one good thing that would happen if everyone was running around with 12 accounts. You haven't been able to do that so far.

I asked:

"What benefit does allowing multiboxing add to the quality of the game?"

You said "other MMOs allow it". That's not an answer. I didn't ask what other MMOs do. I asked what good things multiboxing have contributed to this game in particular. What good has multiboxing done for me, someone who doesn't do it? Or is it just you who are benefitting?

Oh, and incidentally, "exploiting" is not synonymous "breaking the rules". Exploiting is taking advantage of a system for your own personal benefit by using it in a way in which it was not intended. Multiboxing is about as textbook an example of exploiting as you can find.

Still going with this fascist agenda hey!

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Originally Posted by Jungle_Boogy

Still going with this fascist agenda hey!

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Try expressing your anger using concepts you actually understand next time. In your case, it'll probably sound like "Hulk Smash!"

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Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes

Although I am not against multiboxing in lotro, the easiest way to get rid of multiboxing farmers is to remove the current personal loot system and revert back to needed to click on the corpse and /roll for anything if in a group. That will deal with the issue at a stroke.

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Unbelievable as it may sound I actually like mounted combat now and then. Getting off my warhorse every time I want to loot something would be tedious.

The easiest way to get rid of multiboxing farmers would be simply to ban multiboxing. I cannot see a single justified reason for multiboxing combat unless it is some unfair personal advantage/gain. It could be adjusted for playing music, this way or another, but seeing 6 LMs with pets on aggressive afk in barrows is not something any game should be proud of.

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Originally Posted by BangoTwinkletoes

We'll just have to wait and see what their next move is, though I suspect it will be a rock solid impression of three brass monkeys.

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That is very supportive. :)
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