Trick kiting in PvP

[RGilthanas]

How exactly does this work?

I understand that, with the trick range legacy, this is a viable option against high ranked reavers, but how is this used? What skills and tricks are used?

Also, I'm curious to hear what experienced burgs use as their defacto debuff on ranked reavers and wargs. Traited counterdefense, disable, etc.

[RGilthanas]

Really? No one knows how to trick kite?

[Celestialdemons]

Silly hunter.

To trick kite, you need to have the Trick Range legacy on your weapon maxed out, which gives you +5.0 range to your tricks for a total of 8.0 Range.

Afterward, you just keep Dust on the target, which will apply two debuffs components(Slow and Miss Chance). You can just then proceed to alternate between Counter Defence and Disable for the damage output from a 8.0 Range (Which will remove the Miss Chance component of Dust while leaving the minus Movement Speed) while always making sure to keep the slow debuff up.

The Reaver has no way to close the gap, so it's a slow death because he cannot do anything.

As for your last question, well for Reavers, it pretty much just got explained up here. For Wargs, I will use Improved Counter Defence. For Spiders, I always keep the slow component of Dust on and use Improved Counter Defence. For BAs and Warleaders, you just strafe and Addle + Improved Counter Defence while laughing. Defilers, ain't worth the trouble.

[Etheldwyn]

Silly hunter.

To trick kite, you need to have the Trick Range legacy on your weapon maxed out, which gives you +5.0 range to your tricks for a total of 8.0 Range.

Afterward, you just keep Dust on the target, which will apply two debuffs (Slow and Miss Chance). You can just then proceed to CD and Disable from a 8.0 Range while always making sure to keep the slow debuff up.

The Reaver has no way to close the gap, so it's a slow death because he cannot do anything.

As for your last question, well for Reavers, it pretty much just got explained up here. For Wargs, I will use Improved Counter Defence. For Spiders, I always keep the slow component of Dust on and use Improved Counter Defence. For BAs and Warleaders, you just strafe and Addle + Improved Counter Defence while laughing. Defilers, ain't worth the trouble.

Er, what? How are you proposing to keep two tricks on at once?

[Swiftstrike]

Er, what? How are you proposing to keep two tricks on at once?

He means alternate disable and CD for the main hand damage I think.

[Celestialdemons]

He means alternate disable and CD for the main hand damage I think.

This is correct.

I will admit it wasn't very clear. I'll edit my post to make it clearer.

[Rainyman]

It's a boring way to win, but it's guaranteed as long as nothing else shows up to interfere or unless the reaver has a place to run nearby.

[lescastor]

yeah its really not that great, you say you use this on spiders though, how would that even work? Spiders have ranged attacks and warleaders can probably shout harder than tricks hit for with all his resistance. If they get anywhere close to dying there's always uruk heal and keep on shouting.

[Warbeast21]

yeah its really not that great, you say you use this on spiders though, how would that even work? Spiders have ranged attacks and warleaders can probably shout harder than tricks hit for with all his resistance. If they get anywhere close to dying there's always uruk heal and keep on shouting.

Warleaders have joke dps just interupt them and dps them down.

[RGilthanas]

To trick kite, you need to have the Trick Range legacy on your weapon maxed out, which gives you +5.0 range to your tricks for a total of 8.0 Range.

I have this, thank god.

Afterward, you just keep Dust on the target, which will apply two debuffs components(Slow and Miss Chance). You can just then proceed to alternate between Counter Defence and Disable for the damage output from a 8.0 Range (Which will remove the Miss Chance component of Dust while leaving the minus Movement Speed) while always making sure to keep the slow debuff up.

The Reaver has no way to close the gap, so it's a slow death because he cannot do anything.

Yes, that's what I understood to be trick kiting, however, how do you dps a reaver down while standing 8.0m away? You'd need to be within the reaver's range to dps, eh? Unless there's a way to pew pew from 8.0m

[Brelithion]

yeah its really not that great, you say you use this on spiders though, how would that even work? Spiders have ranged attacks and warleaders can probably shout harder than tricks hit for with all his resistance. If they get anywhere close to dying there's always uruk heal and keep on shouting.

He didn't say he trick-kites WLs and Spiders. He was answering the OP's last question about which tricks to put on certain classes.

[RGilthanas]

He didn't say he trick-kites WLs and Spiders. He was answering the OP's last question about which tricks to put on certain classes.

That's correct. BAs, WLs, most spiders, and most wargs aren't really a problem. Reavers are just.....ridiculous.

[Virogar]

I have this, thank god.



Yes, that's what I understood to be trick kiting, however, how do you dps a reaver down while standing 8.0m away? You'd need to be within the reaver's range to dps, eh? Unless there's a way to pew pew from 8.0m

You DPS using your two main-hand dmg tricks, CD and Disable. Nothing else. Like others have said, it can be a little bit slow.

[DopplersRadar]

I have this, thank god.



Yes, that's what I understood to be trick kiting, however, how do you dps a reaver down while standing 8.0m away? You'd need to be within the reaver's range to dps, eh? Unless there's a way to pew pew from 8.0m

To be specific he is saying that you have 2 TRICKS, which can be used from 8 meters away that also give damage. Both counter defense and disable have DAMAGE in addition to the trick. He is saying use those tricks and keep putting DiTE on the reaver. It will take you forever to kill him, but he won't be able to hit you as long as you keep using DiTE.

Totally cheap way to win. If I didn't like a guy I'd use it just to piss him off

Here's a question, what happens when the reaver hits "charge"?

[Brelithion]

Yes, that's what I understood to be trick kiting, however, how do you dps a reaver down while standing 8.0m away? You'd need to be within the reaver's range to dps, eh? Unless there's a way to pew pew from 8.0m

Keep tabs on his Resilience and Stun Pot cooldowns along with the DR timer. Tricks Range applies to trick-removals as well, so CR, MG, and Twist benefit from the range. You can easily get a twist off and get a few hits in that way. Alternatively, if you are gambler spec'd that twist can give some extra damage through the DoT.

[spoctordoc]

I have this, thank god.



Yes, that's what I understood to be trick kiting, however, how do you dps a reaver down while standing 8.0m away? You'd need to be within the reaver's range to dps, eh? Unless there's a way to pew pew from 8.0m

Counter Defense and Disable do a small amount of damage as well as applying the trick (200 or so damage). So in theory you can whittle them down with just hitting them with those 2 trick on the run out of melee range.

This also works on stuff like the lightning boss in SG...you can hide in the corner and 'dps' by throwing those 2 tricks at him over and over. Not much, but I guess it helps.

[RGilthanas]

Ahhh, I gotcha now. That is definitely a cheap way to win, and by the time I would even finish a slow 1v1 like that, I'd most likely get run over by other "solo" creeps.

Anyone ever consider Knives out? The -30% (iirc) incoming damage and the reflect is pretty sweet, however I've still lost a few times with it. The numbers would say that Knives out is probably better than TnG, since evade doesn't work like it used to. I suspect using disable, plus KO would be ideal?

[kilrkatt]

When im fighting a high ranked reaver, (slyc/beatlejuice) i use non-traited dust. and gambler. when the reaver charges, throw dust to add miss chance, then kite till after charge. then alternate between disable/dust as u need to kite/dmg. kite-run in and attack-kite- etc. always have disable up while fighting tho.

[Swiftstrike]

Ahhh, I gotcha now. That is definitely a cheap way to win, and by the time I would even finish a slow 1v1 like that, I'd most likely get run over by other "solo" creeps.

Anyone ever consider Knives out? The -30% (iirc) incoming damage and the reflect is pretty sweet, however I've still lost a few times with it. The numbers would say that Knives out is probably better than TnG, since evade doesn't work like it used to. I suspect using disable, plus KO would be ideal?

-63% incoming damage (30% KO + 20% KO legacy on a clicky + 13% melee def from traits) is certainly nice

[Brelithion]

20% KO legacy on a clicky

I don't (and will never) have one. I'm jealous

[crowthorne]

This tactic is not a viable way to beat a reaver. I have had two different burglars try this on me and all I did was find the nearest tree and play ring around the rosie. I may not be the best burg on Ark but I know beating a R7+ reaver forces me to use RnA TnG twice and all my FM's. I always go for the all damage specced or all health specced reavers because any reaver who slots crit protection is just not worth my time.

[Rainyman]

Don't forget, you still have trick removals at 8m.

Even if he hamstrings you, you can always escape back into the 3.5-8m range because DiTEs>Hamstring. You can apply some form of CC, do an Aim-SS, and sally away again while he is recovering.

But as I said, it's a very boring way to win.

[olagaton]

....and then Dust gets resisted 4 times in a row...commonly.

[Swiftstrike]

I don't (and will never) have one. I'm jealous

I know a guy that found a 56 mace on an alt ID'ed with the legacy and sold the mace for 60g. Have faith!

[-Sylvan-Shadow-]

This thread is great, but I don't see how kiting with these tricks will work against high level reavers who have that HoT.
Like Gil-1 or Gi.. or whatever his name is from Landy.