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[Anarionadama]

I know what a "zerg" is and I've witnessed the use of the term as a reference of TWH since roughly February of 2010 back when I was on Freepside. So when for at least 10 months the term is used to describe the TWH raid, are you really that surprised that the assumption was made? And I'm pretty sure it was an accurate assumption.

For as... 'infamous' as TWH is freepside, I can say that there is a difference between "the zerg" and TWH. TWH is referred to as TWH, and various other acronyms as well.

But you were the first to assume "the zerg" meant TWH. So sure. You are accurate.

[Gillianrial]

I have a question for all the ppl who are making clear stands/statements on playstyle.

If you were riding around the Moors and happened upon a Minstrel and a Spider fighting, would you ride on past letting the fight play out or would you join in the fight?

If you are in a group and see a groupmate taking damage, would you allow your groupmate to be defeated or would you try and help them?

Also I am going to have to side with Grumpy about logics. They really don't accomplish much

Generally speaking for me - it would depend on who the minstrel and spider were. If it's a minstrel that I know wants to fight 1:1 (like me or Kara), then I would let them fight. I sometimes duo with Kara and when we come across one creep, I often let him just have his fight - or he lets me have mine. We mostly rez each other

If it's a spider that I know is likely to call in the army. I will definitely jump in immediately.

[romoen]

For as... 'infamous' as TWH is freepside, I can say that there is a difference between "the zerg" and TWH. TWH is referred to as TWH, and various other acronyms as well.

But you were the first to assume "the zerg" meant TWH. So sure. You are accurate.

LOL... I've been there. I've heard it. I've seen it. I've spent hours on vent, in-game, on the forums and on the field listening to people whine about it.

But I will give you one thing. Generally in-game when people refer to TWH, it's called "TWH zerg." On the forums though, there's enough cowardice and passive-aggressive behaviors that it's shortened to simply "The Zerg." Hence the assumption.

[Raiffe]

For as... 'infamous' as TWH is freepside, I can say that there is a difference between "the zerg" and TWH. TWH is referred to as TWH, and various other acronyms as well.

But you were the first to assume "the zerg" meant TWH. So sure. You are accurate.

So who is this mass of creeps that have earned your affectionate appellation of "the zerg"? I'd like to meet them, they sound like my kind of scum

[Jungleghost]

Cake.

That is all.

[PF-Grumpy]

Any group with 2 or more people than the group I am in, is a zerg. End of Story.

[mudd_666]

As long as there's incentive to get renown from it, they will. This whole getting xp to lvl from killing in pvp, is really a bad idea. If you think about it, it forces people to do everything "bad" and unfair and cheap simply because they need xp.

As the devs mentioned in the interviews for the future, just give creeps all skills up front and let people pvp for fun, not because they have to do anything to get xp. And I hope they do, pvp should be about fun, not grinding to get lvls.

[The_Observer]

Any group with 2 or more people than the group I am in, is a zerg. End of Story.

I think the underlying meaning behind this comment is an awesome dig at anyone who ever uses the word "zerg".

Because it's true. It highlights the fact that there is no instanced PvP in this game. Everyone is not sitting in Vent making equal team arrangements before entering the Ettenmoors.

Some days you get zerged. Some days you are the zerg.

Some days you kill the greenie. Some days you are the greenie.

[Raiffe]

I could start a thread about liking Oranges and in some twisted Landroval way the White Hand would be blamed for zerging Florida and seizing all the Oranges...

Sweet! We're goin to Disney!!!!!

/packs bags

[mudd_666]

THW is a bunch of zerg noobs precisely because they zerg. Where ever they go, they always spam OOC with come join us, to get as many as possible and have the easiest fight as possible, whether they're all together or use the rest of creep noobs as a fodder in flanking or some other stupid maneuver.

Lets compare that with say Gank Squad. When they group up, they almost NEVER shout in OOC or anywhere come join us in attacking say STAB or some location (not counting keeps). They play together as a group, nothing more. TWH runs away anytime they don't have numerical advantage. And that's why everyone bitches about twh.

If enough oranges stand together, twh would move on to pears or something.

[Baslin]

THW is a bunch of zerg noobs precisely because they zerg. Where ever they go, they always spam OOC with come join us, to get as many as possible and have the easiest fight as possible, whether they're all together or use the rest of creep noobs as a fodder in flanking or some other stupid maneuver.

Frankly, we are denounced for talking in OOC too much or too little -- there is no winning.

We do not announce everywhere we move in OOC (note: I am one of the frequent OOC communicators when I'm in the raid). We do announce keep takes/defenses. We do not talk in OOC to just "pile on the zerg."

In the past, people have complained if we do not announce when we're leaving an area, so that is something we do now as a courtesy.

Given your large anonymity and the inflammatory nature of the majority of your posts, I question if you even have any actual knowledge on the matter.

[PF-Grumpy]

THW is a bunch of zerg noobs precisely because they zerg. Where ever they go, they always spam OOC with come join us, to get as many as possible and have the easiest fight as possible, whether they're all together or use the rest of creep noobs as a fodder in flanking or some other stupid maneuver.

Lets compare that with say Gank Squad. When they group up, they almost NEVER shout in OOC or anywhere come join us in attacking say STAB or some location (not counting keeps). They play together as a group, nothing more. TWH runs away anytime they don't have numerical advantage. And that's why everyone bitches about twh.

If enough oranges stand together, twh would move on to pears or something.

Whining abuot TWH is so Mirkwood. This is F2P, get with the times. Seriously. It's yesterday's news. It's like blaming everything on Uhtredson. Old.

Seriously, they raid like 1-2 nights a week or immediately after someone slams them on the forums. Get over it. If GS is so awesome, why aren't you smacking them down when they have raids on? Frankly I don't see you guys around much and am never sure what you are up to (though I assume it involved vegtable oil).

[Raiffe]

THW is a bunch of zerg noobs precisely because they zerg. Where ever they go, they always spam OOC with come join us, to get as many as possible and have the easiest fight as possible, whether they're all together or use the rest of creep noobs as a fodder in flanking or some other stupid maneuver.

Lets compare that with say Gank Squad. When they group up, they almost NEVER shout in OOC or anywhere come join us in attacking say STAB or some location (not counting keeps). They play together as a group, nothing more. TWH runs away anytime they don't have numerical advantage. And that's why everyone bitches about twh.

If enough oranges stand together, twh would move on to pears or something.

Obvious troll is... obvious

And as much as it pains me to say (and this is me personally) after reading some of the comments in this thread, I have to say I have to respect Gank Squad...

At least they bring the fight.

[Anarionadama]

So who is this mass of creeps that have earned your affectionate appellation of "the zerg"? I'd like to meet them, they sound like my kind of scum

This deserves the Facepalm.


There is no group of people or players, etc. that are "designated" as the zerg.

[Raiffe]

This deserves the Facepalm.


There is no group of people or players, etc. that are "designated" as the zerg.

Actually what deserves a facepalm is when someone makes multiple statements and allusions, yet when challenged to elaborate, dances around like an artful dodger.

So you've used the word "Zerg" yet cannot describe what you're talking about.

I was just quoting and replying to have a little fun, please don't get the wrong impression that I actually care.

[Anarionadama]

Actually what deserves a facepalm is when someone makes multiple statements and allusions, yet when challenged to elaborate, dances around like an artful dodger.

So you've used the word "Zerg" yet cannot describe what you're talking about.

I was just quoting and replying to have a little fun, please don't get the wrong impression that I actually care.

LoL! You think I was doing anything different?


I just like annoying the idiots who feel compelled to respond.

We could be in an infinite loop here...

[The_Observer]

LoL! You think I was doing anything different?


I just like annoying the idiots who feel compelled to respond.

We could be in an infinite loop here...

Stop calling yourself an idiot, Angel. :P

[Anarionadama]

Stop calling yourself an idiot, Angel. :P

HEY!


I started it with myself, so I'm sure as heck am gonna finish it!

[mudd_666]

Ok. can you ask your tribe, to be more fun to pvp against? you guys run to much considering you have large numbers, just go somewhere and fight. Clean, simple, enjoable. If you see the freeps have a raid of 12 people, how about you split up your 30 people raidzilla and run 2 groups separately. The funnest pvp i've had here in months was the other day in coldfells, when neither side had a raid going. Just groups running around TR/TRhs/ford/rez and killing each outher. both sides got kills and it was just non stop action.

[Baslin]

Ok. can you ask your tribe, to be more fun to pvp against? you guys run to much considering you have large numbers, just go somewhere and fight. Clean, simple, enjoable. If you see the freeps have a raid of 12 people, how about you split up your 30 people raidzilla and run 2 groups separately. The funnest pvp i've had here in months was the other day in coldfells, when neither side had a raid going. Just groups running around TR/TRhs/ford/rez and killing each outher. both sides got kills and it was just non stop action.

Some points of clarity (the horse is getting tired of being beaten):

TWH does not raid every night (nor the majority of nights). TWH and its members are not just "TWH raid."

Raids cap at 24 people.

TWH solos and small groups frequently (most recently: last night, although there are likely some out soloing as I type this).

EDIT to add (just incase there's confusion): I, Dineanddash, am not The White Hand.

[mudd_666]

Delmar, I'll give you a view I see every day in moors when both sides are roughly even in numbers. And if you dispute this, we seriously need a poll here because then the creeps are just completely delusional. Say both sides have a keep or two. 90% of the time, it is the freeps that go to a red keep to press some action. Almost NEVER do creeps without obvious numbers push blue keep just because that's a pvp fight.

Times and times agian, any night, when numbers are even, only thing creeps do is sit in hoardale, and wait for wargs/spiders to call out a keep being attacked by freeps and only then do creeps leave hoardale to all map in and 'valiantly' defend a keep. This is literally 75% of all action every night in moors when numbers are fairly even.

I would greatly appreciate specific info thats not a 1 off, do disprove this observation.

[Raiffe]

Delmar, I'll give you a view I see every day in moors when both sides are roughly even in numbers. And if you dispute this, we seriously need a poll here because then the creeps are just completely delusional. Say both sides have a keep or two. 90% of the time, it is the freeps that go to a red keep to press some action. Almost NEVER do creeps without obvious numbers push blue keep just because that's a pvp fight.

Times and times agian, any night, when numbers are even, only thing creeps do is sit in hoardale, and wait for wargs/spiders to call out a keep being attacked by freeps and only then do creeps leave hoardale to all map in and 'valiantly' defend a keep. This is literally 75% of all action every night in moors when numbers are fairly even.

I would greatly appreciate specific info thats not a 1 off, do disprove this observation.

Fair enough, thank you for elaborating on your viewpoint.

Here's mine, when I play if there is a blue keep, it gets attacked. The only caveat to that, is if it's Isen and there's Freeps on the field somewhere else. If there's a Red keep that is currently under attack (because that's where the freeps are), or if no Freeps are defending a keep.

This the view that I have, when I play.

Which brings me to this... what time do you usually play?

[mudd_666]

There's a difference between giving an account of your own experiences and making blanket accusations as to the tendencies of an entire group of people. Not to mention, he's not just making a statement about his experiences, he's trying to speak for our intentions, interests and goals. His perception on our intentions is not accurate to the reality of them and makes his perception pretty distorted.

Hrm, well here's a white hand group not only pushing a blue keep but doing so with the pop buff.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...eepPopBuff.jpg

please...idk when that was taken, but years ago doesn't count. and even then you're probably just rushing to kill budhorn or farm someone and run off. Lets keep all examples to the past say month or so. I don't have memories of what happened seasons ago.

[romoen]

please...idk when that was taken, but years ago doesn't count. and even then you're probably just rushing to kill budhorn or farm someone and run off. Lets keep all examples to the past say month or so. I don't have memories of what happened seasons ago.

LOL, nice try. It was two weeks ago; the Thursday I keep bringing up. You can see my rank and my UI looks the exact same as the pic I posted of last night (in the blog) and my DP isn't much higher either. Considering we kill An several times a night, take multiple outposts, make the map red and take-re-take LC and Isen several times over the course of the evening... it's pretty clear it wasn't that long ago.

[Celestrata]

I think this thread has, unfortunately, derailed off of the tracks.

Locking it down.