Are Wargs overpowered after update 6??

[Nisroc00]

Simple answer: No

... I thought about this just recently, maybe they are the more powerful creep class right now but overpowered I do not think so. I think the amount of wargs in moors is the reason the class looks OP, kinda like when you get 5-6 minis and 6 - 7 RKs in same area. Only difference is wargs will not get as many heals and have to be in melee range of RK and Minis that melt anything in their path.

[masontamason]

http://surugi.com/lotrostats/index.p...ar=2012&rank=5


Scroll down and there is your answer, wargs aren't OP. They are built well but just look at the population of them these days. Now go back a couple of years...

http://surugi.com/lotrostats/index.p...ar=2010&rank=5


Never said this was an answer to the question just an interesting fact. You can't ignore the population changes though. And lastly ask yourself what would the moors be like if all freeps could hop into pvp with max gear or just max level with an adjustment like swtor or gw. Would we see burg packs, and numbers of burgs doing the same thing? Wargs in a way recieve that to some extent. No need to respond to this, it's been said before.

[Kurtdg21]

With respect to Wargs, lets get a few things clear:

First and foremost: Wargs were never a hard class to play. They've always been the easiest class and the most rewarding class at the same time. That has been true from SoA til now. And, that is why you see still see an overwhelming abundance of wargs to date.

Second: Wargs are a stealth class, so you always have an advantage. They have the inate liberty to pick and choose their fights.

Third: Wargs have the best escape skills in the game. You have the highest odds out of any creep or freep in escaping an encounter.

Fourth: U6 has allotted wargs the abilities to be even more effective in solo and group play. They have had their calculated solo kill-ability increased as well as their mitigations trumped only by warleaders while in flayer.


Summary: Turbines loves their wargs, and hates their Reavers


And that is why everyone plays Wargs. They can choose their fights, win when they want, and retreat when they don't win.


Thats what you call a five year experiment............on weed. :O



The worse part is that we still haven't had any new pipeweed animations. Must be the lazy side-effect.


This next Toq is for U turbine! Sorry I was late. 4/20 was five days ago

[masontamason]

With respect to Wargs, lets get a few things clear:

First and foremost: Wargs were never a hard class to play. They've always been the easiest class and the most rewarding class at the same time. That has been true from SoA til now. And, that is why you see still see an overwhelming abundance of wargs to date.

Second: Wargs are a stealth class, so you always have an advantage. They have the inate liberty to pick and choose their fights.

Third: Wargs have the best escape skills in the game. You have the highest odds out of any creep or freep in escaping an encounter.

Fourth: U6 has allotted wargs the abilities to be even more effective in solo and group play. They have had their calculated solo kill-ability increased as well as their mitigations trumped only by warleaders while in flayer.


Summary: Turbines loves their wargs, and hates their Reavers


And that is why everyone plays Wargs. They can choose their fights, win when they want, and retreat when they don't win.


Thats what you call a five year experiment............on weed. :O



The worse part is that we still haven't had any new pipeweed animations. Must be the lazy side-effect.


This next Toq is for U turbine! Sorry I was late. 4/20 was five days ago

/Signed
10c

[87_Suited]

Reavers definately need some love... Their dps is meh atm and their mitigations are significantly lacking. For their given roll in PvP, they get blown up way to easily and no doubt require a bit of attention for U7. Would like to see reavers get crit chance buffs and a bump in overall dps as well as mitigations fixed, 'cept for that one reaver Surmit. Turbine, swing the nerf bat at that particular one!!!

[Nisroc00]

Reavers definately need some love... Their dps is meh atm and their mitigations are significantly lacking. For their given roll in PvP, they get blown up way to easily and no doubt require a bit of attention for U7. Would like to see reavers get crit chance buffs and a bump in overall dps as well as mitigations fixed, 'cept for that one reaver Surmit. Turbine, swing the nerf bat at that particular one!!!

This has Disappointed me since F2P PvP Day 1. I seriously have no clue what the DEVs have been thinking but there are player that have worked hard on their Reavers. Now not only are they tickle machines they are also blown up before charge has finished. I think the Devs really need to look deep in to this class and correct it.

[Gladgilrian]

Reavers will NEVER be OP again for one simple reason, Freavers. If they make Reavers on par with other Creeps, and I'll take ya'lls word for it (my Burg destroys them now if thats any indication), then P2W....I mean F2P players won't purchase any other Creep classes. Its all about the TP's.

[invaznoftheazn]

Reavers will NEVER be OP again for one simple reason, Freavers. If they make Reavers on par with other Creeps, and I'll take ya'lls word for it (my Burg destroys them now if thats any indication), then P2W....I mean F2P players won't purchase any other Creep classes. Its all about the TP's.

I can agree with this, spiders and wargs seem to be in a sweet spot now in terms of viability. The creep support classes remain the same, and the reaver is sort of at the bottom of it all dying its slow death.

Anyways, Jarik Ironhand on Sea of Sorrows if anyone rolled on that server for this weekend. May change servers for actual release (I suspect so).

After a single day of beta I can easily say this is the game for me, for pvp. I'm not a prophet but TORtanic seems to be losing its lustre but if you ladies head my way drop a line

[Gladgilrian]

I was stoked for GW2, but it looks awfly cartoonish and WoWlike. I think I'll wait until refer a friend or free weekends start, same with The Secret World, 3 faction PvP in TSW sounds interesting.

[invaznoftheazn]

I was stoked for GW2, but it looks awfly cartoonish and WoWlike. I think I'll wait until refer a friend or free weekends start, same with The Secret World, 3 faction PvP in TSW sounds interesting.

wat. Graphics haven't changed and we've known about it for months. ~_~
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[Gladgilrian]

wat. Graphics haven't changed and we've known about it for months. ~_~
...

I watched my first video the other day and it caught me by surprise, not that it still can't be a good game. After Aion, Rift and now ToR not living up to expectations I think I'll now take a wait and see approach with all new games.

[invaznoftheazn]

I watched my first video the other day and it caught me by surprise, not that it still can't be a good game. After Aion, Rift and now ToR not living up to expectations I think I'll now take a wait and see approach with all new games.

TORtanic wasn't incredibly surprising, nor were aion or rift. Nor aoc/warhammer and darkfall, as a result I've played this terribad game for 5 years (refer to milts hookers and meth comment) waiting for dynamic and engaging pvp. Now it's finally here and I'm currently playing Beta and loving every second of it.

Why wait for hivemind to make a decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yQi...e_gdata_player
Watch the whole series and form your own, all the info is already out there.

What are you really even looking for in an MMO? Because if it's good/balanced pvp Anet has delivered and is delivering.

[hemenway90]

TORtanic wasn't incredibly surprising, nor were aion or rift. Nor aoc/warhammer and darkfall, as a result I've played this terribad game for 5 years (refer to milts hookers and meth comment) waiting for dynamic and engaging pvp. Now it's finally here and I'm currently playing Beta and loving every second of it.

Why wait for hivemind to make a decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yQi...e_gdata_player
Watch the whole series and form your own, all the info is already out there.

What are you really even looking for in an MMO? Because if it's good/balanced pvp Anet has delivered and is delivering.

This sounds exactly like people who were talking up ToR before that launched too. For the record, I still love the game and enjoy every minute of it. They've done nothing but improved it since launch and continue to do so. It's not their fault the playerbase has the attention span of a soap dish. But the Tortanic retort is clever.

[invaznoftheazn]

MMO hoppers in general have that attention span and fixate on a games flaws rather than its upsides. Seems like I'll be with Gw2 for I'd estimate around 2-4 years depending on the content they put out or if they do expansions.

It's not always gonna be for everybody, like swtor. But considering what these games have I really question why anyone would play lotro at all anymore. Community isn't always enough, most people have actual lives for that kind of socializing. This game is just...I dunno.

[Ramiel_87]

MMO hoppers in general have that attention span and fixate on a games flaws rather than its upsides. Seems like I'll be with Gw2 for I'd estimate around 2-4 years depending on the content they put out or if they do expansions.

It's not always gonna be for everybody, like swtor. But considering what these games have I really question why anyone would play lotro at all anymore. Community isn't always enough, most people have actual lives for that kind of socializing. This game is just...I dunno.

I feel like in a small way I contributed to you having this view./happy

[invaznoftheazn]

I feel like in a small way I contributed to you having this view./happy

0 noticeable character progression from 2 million renown is what did it for me, I always knew it was bad but didn't have an enjoyable alternative. Now I have to wait for actual release knowing how good it is

Were you playing it at all? Was gonna hit an oceanic server.

[Gladgilrian]

TORtanic wasn't incredibly surprising, nor were aion or rift. Nor aoc/warhammer and darkfall, as a result I've played this terribad game for 5 years (refer to milts hookers and meth comment) waiting for dynamic and engaging pvp. Now it's finally here and I'm currently playing Beta and loving every second of it.

Why wait for hivemind to make a decision?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yQi...e_gdata_player
Watch the whole series and form your own, all the info is already out there.

What are you really even looking for in an MMO? Because if it's good/balanced pvp Anet has delivered and is delivering.

Thats some pretty good info on those videos. The dynamic style of questing is what first interested me in GW2. I'm sure I'll buy it eventually, but I want to test drive it first. Being in games at launch no longer has the appeal that it once did.

I'm looking for something thats different from the kill X number of these and gather X number of that mindless questing. ToR has that, but they did an excellent job of covering it up so you don't notice as much. PvP is very important to me, but its also not the be all and end all of what I'm looking for in an MMO.

EDIT: Ok, this may have convinced me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Dg_...feature=relmfu

[Ramiel_87]

0 noticeable character progression from 2 million renown is what did it for me, I always knew it was bad but didn't have an enjoyable alternative. Now I have to wait for actual release knowing how good it is

Were you playing it at all? Was gonna hit an oceanic server.

I've seen all I need to see Beta-wise, I will be playing GW2 on launch so no doubt i'll hit you up on steam before then to work out where you're rolling.

[evillittlemunkey]

I've seen all I need to see Beta-wise, I will be playing GW2 on launch.

^this^ i also got dd and vag suckered in come on spidey you gotta come too!!!

[Ramiel_87]

^this^ i also got dd and vag suckered in come on spidey you gotta come too!!!

That's not to say I won't get bored of it quickly and keep swtor as my main game.

[Gladgilrian]

^this^ i also got dd and vag suckered in come on spidey you gotta come too!!!

I just ordered, this may be what we were looking for in ToR. Check TBB forums, noob!!!

[Gladgilrian]

That's not to say I won't get bored of it quickly and keep swtor as my main game.

Thats what I like about GW2, with no sub you can play another game and not feel obligated to play because you're paying a sub. There's no real endgame raiding so you can endgame in one game and PvP in GW2.

[masontamason]

Thats what I like about GW2, with no sub you can play another game and not feel obligated to play because you're paying a sub. There's no real endgame raiding so you can endgame in one game and PvP in GW2.

That's not entirely true. The endgame is not raiding yes, you are right there. It is instead 5 man's and such that can be very difficult. They made it so every person contributes and if one person is struggling the whole group is unlike lotro where people can basically be carried thru raiding. There is a competitive side to PvE, it's just in different form. I won't explain their reason's for going with small group instances but they really do have good reasoning for it, and it can be better then so-called raiding. On a side note playing thru beta has been a blast! And PvP on thief is sooooo troll...

[kendawg75]

does that mean your thief's race will be a troll? and welcome to the neighborhood noob!!

[masontamason]

does that mean your thief's race will be a troll? and welcome to the neighborhood noob!!

First with GW2 hackz.... lol