Bring Back real Raids

[Wornstar]

Hey all,

So we've had this business plan that means we wont have real raids for a while now. (Raids like OD and ToA, not big battles).
And I gotta say, maaan do i miss those. When that was announced it seriously felt like a nail in the coffin, I know that it wasn't long after that that my server (gilrain) had a plummet in population size.
I know that the announced reason at least was to make it a game more accessible for casual players or something but whats a MMO without raids?
Pleeeeeaaaaase can we have a return to raiding, big battles filling the gap. I dont wanna fight something like Shelob in a big battle or skirm raid, or even a 6 man.
The lotro population has been at an all time low, but announcing raiding could be part of the progression to helping it get back!
I know that alot of people, especially those that have left, believe that the people in charge of this game genuinely don't care about the player base any more and are trying to get whats left out of a dying game.
Help prove them wrong and give us content that I think the majority genuinely want, not just filler content.

Thanks

Manic of Gilrain

[Yula_the_Mighty]

The Turbine folks that were all against traditional group content are all gone from the Lotro team in 2015. Much my surprise, wWe got some PvP love in 2015. We got some traditional group content in 2015 - mixture of size 3 and 6.

In order to get a new raid later on in 2016, what we are going to have to do is actively run the existing traditional group content in 2015 including the new stuff. Do enough of that and I suspect Vyvyanne will authorize one raid and some more smaller size model group content for 2016.

It will be very interesting to see what is in the next annual Producer letter which come out in January, 2016,

[Nymphonic]

Me, I don't raid, but I feel that the folks that do raid should get some love from Turbine. I'm all for this suggestion.

[Dmira]

Me, I don't raid, but I feel that the folks that do raid should get some love from Turbine. I'm all for this suggestion.

I'm with you. I don't raid, but I would like to see a new raid for those who do.

[Montrandir]

Back in January I would have said not in a million years, but now with all the great content and fantastic dev progress out so far this year who knows? At this point a raid may actually well within the realm of possibility for 2016..

[FionahFeet]

I'm adding my vote for new raids too. Didn't raid much, but when I was with a nice group of folks...I had fun. I prefer them over BB's any day. So, yeah...two thumbs up for new raids.

[Wornstar]

The Turbine folks that were all against traditional group content are all gone from the Lotro team in 2015. Much my surprise, wWe got some PvP love in 2015. We got some traditional group content in 2015 - mixture of size 3 and 6.

In order to get a new raid later on in 2016, what we are going to have to do is actively run the existing traditional group content in 2015 including the new stuff. Do enough of that and I suspect Vyvyanne will authorize one raid and some more smaller size model group content for 2016.

It will be very interesting to see what is in the next annual Producer letter which come out in January, 2016,

thats really good if that is the case. I just hope they see that there is a demand and general want for it.

[Arnenna]

The Turbine folks that were all against traditional group content are all gone from the Lotro team in 2015. Much my surprise, wWe got some PvP love in 2015. We got some traditional group content in 2015 - mixture of size 3 and 6.

In order to get a new raid later on in 2016, what we are going to have to do is actively run the existing traditional group content in 2015 including the new stuff. Do enough of that and I suspect Vyvyanne will authorize one raid and some more smaller size model group content for 2016.

It will be very interesting to see what is in the next annual Producer letter which come out in January, 2016,

Using that model would mean that they would create content based on what people are using in 2105 though.
The problem with that is people are mostly herded to solo DA instances and BB's. And that isn't because they are more interesting content, or necessarily because people enjoy them - it's because that is where Turbine put all the rewards.

It's not necessarily choice that makes folk do DA dailies or BB's, they do them, out of requirement because everything is gated behind them.

We only have three major battles left in our journey. Two of those are iconic and then there is the black gate, which although not as iconic as the other two, is still major.

If what is currently being used the most becomes a deciding factor in how these iconic battles are developed, and current use relies heavily on where the rewards are on current content, then that says one thing to me - BB's or solo dailies are in our future. Because everyone uses them at the moment and they have done all through 2015 - out of necessity.

It will be devastating if that turns out to be the case. Those two iconic battles should never go down that road and nor should the black gate. Hell, I'd rather see them as three-mans with no atmosphere than that.

[Coeprandua]

Using that model would mean that they would create content based on what people are using in 2105 though.
The problem with that is people are mostly herded to solo DA instances and BB's. And that isn't because they are more interesting content, or necessarily because people enjoy them - it's because that is where Turbine put all the rewards.

It's not necessarily choice that makes folk do DA dailies or BB's, they do them, out of requirement because everything is gated behind them.

We only have three major battles left in our journey. Two of those are iconic and then there is the black gate, which although not as iconic as the other two, is still major.

If what is currently being used the most becomes a deciding factor in how these iconic battles are developed, and current use relies heavily on where the rewards are on current content, then that says one thing to me - BB's or solo dailies are in our future. Because everyone uses them at the moment and they have done all through 2015 - out of necessity.

It will be devastating if that turns out to be the case. Those two iconic battles should never go down that road and nor should the black gate. Hell, I'd rather see them as three-mans with no atmosphere than that.

I think this putting all rewards in BBs or forcing people to do them otherwise worked for U16, people indeed farmed Pelargir on a daily basis like sheep. However, these people are now so sick and tired of it, they either left the game or left the PvE aspect of the game. Take it from me, the vast majority of those who farmed Pela in U16 will not farm another BB in U17. The next update will bring the truth to the surface.

[Arnenna]

I think this putting all rewards in BBs or forcing people to do them otherwise worked for U16, people indeed farmed Pelargir on a daily basis like sheep. However, these people are now so sick and tired of it, they either left the game or left the PvE aspect of the game. Take it from me, the vast majority of those who farmed Pela in U16 will not farm another BB in U17. The next update will bring the truth to the surface.

Oh, but some will - quite a few will and that's what's unfortunate. They won't give a damn that what they do in the here and now may affect what they get in the future - all they care about is looking good. They will farm it to death, get what they need, then as always, stand up and shout about content being meh (T1 OD U14 anyone).

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it won't happen that way for the next few updates. We're too close to the end now for that nonsense. The word iconic needs to mean something now.

[Vulcwen]

The word iconic needs to mean something now.

If they again use iconic moments as cut-off moments, rather than highlight them, it just shows that Turbine can't pull off a good story experience anymore.