I hate High Elves

[torde]

Hey you guys,

I just wanted to state my opinion on the issue High Elves. Knowing this is not going to change anything (really?), i wanted to say that i find implementing High Elves one of the badest ideas within the last years. Why? I want to give you some arguments:

1. Technically, we already have elves. In my opinion, high elves aren't a race itself. I know, there have been several discussions about that, but i want to mention the Point "game-feeling" which is for me as a mainly Player of elves (and even not a roleplayer) insulted. High Elves are for me a subgroup of elves (semantically, the existing elves normally need to get renamed as "Dark Elves" or "Forest Elves" or whatever, because the prefix "high" instructs "high-elves" below "elves" in fact of it's specialisation (just saying as a student of german))
2. It's Mordor. I know SSG doesn't care about PvP, but a new Creep-race would have been a more logic step. We are going to see some crazy #### in mordor (or at least i hope so ), so why not also in PvP (for example a real debuffer)
3. High Elves don't fit to Mordor. In the second age, yes, but in the third age, they don't have a decisive role if they even have one

More important than implementing a new race (or additionaly more worse class) would be to take care about the raid which, i hope for, will come. Or balancing. Or graphic revamp. Or nice landscape lore in Mordor. Or PvP. Or....
I'm not dissatisfied by the current state of lotro, but there are more important things for me in lotro than a new race (remember, we started with 4 races, the 4 real ones who are mainly mentionend in the Lord of the rings. Implementing a new class would mean to compensate a loss-making state and retrospective disqualifing the state of races within the last 10 years).

PS: Sorry for my more or less bad english. I'm a Student of german, not english.

[Joetzim]

For starters, we don't know how it will be implemented. If it's just integrated into the current system where you can now roll a High Elf captain, that, I agree, would be terrble. But I'm still hoping there is a twist to this, a revamp of the race system or a major new feature that they are not revealing to us yet.

However, the realistic me says it will be like adding a new steed to the store. Cheap fluff. Money-grab.

[Macroscian]

Duplicate thread - read this one:
https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-Playable-Race
chime in or add your thoughts, sevarl pages of in-depth considerations (and flippant remarks of course but hey, it's forums)

[Tatharil]

Highelves in Mordor are as likely as Hobbits in Gondor, Rohan and Mordor.

They don't add anything substantial to the game, sure. But they may attract new players and an expansion needs something shiny. Better Highelves than something ne like skirmishes, mounted combat, epic battles.
They won't hurt more than hobbits walking around outside the Shire and Bree.

[Nymphonic]

Oh I dunno. I don't see this as being a big deal. If Tolkien would have said straight out that high elves never left home period, I could see the point, but I don't recall him ever saying anything of the sort.

Adventurist hobbits are more lore breaking than this.

[Palenen]

I'd rather see a Captain Hobbit.

[kickman77]

Oh I dunno. I don't see this as being a big deal. If Tolkien would have said straight out that high elves never left home period, I could see the point, but I don't recall him ever saying anything of the sort.

Adventurist hobbits are more lore breaking than this.

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He did say that most hobbits never leave ths shire yet I see hundreds of them all day long all over Middle Earth....

[Flagron]

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He did say that most hobbits never leave ths shire yet I see hundreds of them all day long all over Middle Earth....

I see humans and elves in the shire all the time.

Except for Gandalf and a dozen or so dwarves twice in 60 years, the shire was pretty bereft of such strangers.

But then if we stuck strictly to the Lore, then only 9 people could play this game.

When I first started this game I was kind of disappointed I was not part of the fellowship, but I soon found the wisdom.

It's a good mix of game play and lore in my opinion

[Radhruin_EU]

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He did say that most hobbits never leave ths shire yet I see hundreds of them all day long all over Middle Earth....

That's because so many people would have freaked out if hobbits weren't playable.

[Pontin_Finnberry]

Well... High Elves aren't even out yet, so answer this how to do hate them? lol unless your from the future :P

[Radhruin_EU]

Except for Gandalf and a dozen or so dwarves twice in 60 years, the shire was pretty bereft of such strangers.

This is just wrong, the east-west road went through the Shire and Dwarves used that all the time. As for Elves, Sam and Frodo met Gildor Inglorion & Co. in the Shire.

[Christian.S]

Do you think you are hating on High Elves before the release?

Wait until after the release to find out the only new raid requires 12 High Elves. Also the new trait points and various deeds are dependent on the High Elf only raid.



Ofc there will be solely by chance a new store item offering to alleviate any raid restrictions including the one above.

[Guhrasoh]

Do you think you are hating on High Elves before the release?

Wait until after the release to find out the only new raid requires 12 High Elves. Also the new trait points and various deeds are dependent on the High Elf only raid.



Ofc there will be solely by chance a new store item offering to alleviate any raid restrictions including the one above.

I'd be more afraid of the new level 110 legendary items that you need to level to 90, then imbue, level to 600 and after that masterly imbue and level again from 0 to 900. You know they need some big grind to boost how many hours of gameplay the expansion offers.

[Saintjoan]

I like the idea of a new Creep Race as well.. The Morroval would be perfect. It could be a neutral Race, or class. There could be a toggle switch which indicates whether you are playing on Creep or Freep side. If we started on Creep side and there wasn't enough Freeps, we could toggle to Freep. One would have to log out and switch sides in the character page launcher, to avoid people switching back in combat to take advantage of kills on both sides.

I do totally love having High Elves in the game. I will definitely be getting one.

[Nymphonic]

I see humans and elves in the shire all the time.

Except for Gandalf and a dozen or so dwarves twice in 60 years, the shire was pretty bereft of such strangers.

But then if we stuck strictly to the Lore, then only 9 people could play this game.

When I first started this game I was kind of disappointed I was not part of the fellowship, but I soon found the wisdom.

It's a good mix of game play and lore in my opinion

I think they've done a great job of mixing game play and lore. Yeah, there are some things that I don't agree with, like hobby horses, but I think they get a great job of staying on a thin line.

[theFragmagnet]

Hey you guys,
High Elves are for me a subgroup of elves (semantically, the existing elves normally need to get renamed as "Dark Elves" or "Forest Elves" or whatever, because the prefix "high" instructs "high-elves" below "elves" in fact of it's specialisation (just saying as a student of german))

Do you feel that speakers of Plattdeutsch are 'less than' speakers of Hochdeutsch?

[SirVile]

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He did say that most hobbits never leave ths shire yet I see hundreds of them all day long all over Middle Earth....

Well, most Cockroaches never leave the underside of the refrigerator during the day, but just switch on the lights...

[Garatha]

If I recall correctly, in early drafts of the LotR, the ranger character was a took named Trotter. Evidently he got in dutch with Mordor, and ended up wearing clogs. Adventuring hobbits were rare (and rarely returned), but they existed. Also a lot of hobbits lived in Bree, which is out of the Shire, and they'd been there longer than any hobbits were in the Shire.

[Nosdracir]

The OP's post reminded me of an ancient declamatory poem that originated with the Green Elves of Ossiriand in the First Age. It began something like this:

I hate High Elves and I can not lie
You Moriquendi can't deny
That when an elf walks in with the light of Valinor
And a shine you can't ignore
You get dark, want to pull up tough
'Cause you notice that shirt is stuffed
From far in the West he's beaming
I'm mad and I can't stop steaming

[mattspencer]

PS: Sorry for my more or less bad english. I'm a Student of german, not english.

Your English is fine and you wrote better than many native English language people would have. I also think a new creep class or bug fixes would have been time better spent.

[Tatharil]

I also think a new creep class or bug fixes would have been time better spent.

I don't disagree, that bugfixes are needed(and classbalance- including traitlinebalance: especially hunter's traitlines are a mess, even worse since u19), but you can't sell an expansion with "special bonus: fixing some old bugs!" or a new creepclass, when PVMP is played by a minority.

[Hammderin1990]

I cant even remember high elves being mentioned in lotr in the first place!?

[The_Warg]

I cant even remember high elves being mentioned in lotr in the first place!?

Well, if I recall correctly, the first elf we meet in FotR is Gildor Inglorien, a high elf. And next, Frodo is saved by Glorifiendel. And there are some more after that, too. I don't believe they're explicitly called "High Elves," but they are Noldor; elves in the Noldor and Vanyar groups are high elves because they lived in Aman for a stretch of time, as opposed to the Sindar and offshoots who had decided not to cross the sea. So, they're present and accounted for, but it could be easy not to recognize them at once.

[Arnenna]

I feel a bit sorry for the existing elf RP characters that have built back stories and portrayed themselves as higher elves through that story telling on their bios. The introduction of high elves, will make them seem like fake high elves, not the real deal that their years of role playing have brought them. It's kinda stepping on the toes of RP IMO.

[Joetzim]

I feel a bit sorry for the existing elf RP characters that have built back stories and portrayed themselves as higher elves through that story telling on their bios. The introduction of high elves, will make them seem like fake high elves, not the real deal that their years of role playing have brought them. It's kinda stepping on the toes of RP IMO.

The weird thing for me... all them folks that start their adventure in ME start out as nubs right now, right? So how will a High Elf, probably thousands of years old, start out as a lvl1 nobody in the 3rd age? This is why it always seemed weird to me that people would RP High Elves. Obviously, there might be some young High Elves, but it doesn't sound that plausible, tbh. I'd like to know the age of Elrond's daughter and sons, but I have a feeling they were probably not born yesterday.

Even if you are young, when you're a High Elf, you probably have a proper upbringing that makes you somebody. You don't just appear out of nowhere like a lost person without relations to anybody.