Storied Tales

[Woldo]

Will storied tales give promotion points?

[OldMadeOfLions]

Will storied tales give promotion points?

Nope, these are alternatives to the Epic Battles. If you'd like to earn Promotion Points, you'll still be doing those in Epic Battles proper.

MoL

[wispsong]

I'm so thankful that I can now finish Vol 3 without having to do the battles. Thank you so much for doing this.

[Gildoriel]

I'm so thankful that I can now finish Vol 3 without having to do the battles. Thank you so much for doing this.

This! Some years ago, before server consolidation, I had a kinmate who loved doing those and he pulled all my chars of lvl 50+ through the Epic Battles, but things have changed, I now have several toons who had to leave out that part of the epic, because constantly begging for people to help you is not really fun. I am so glad that I can close those gaps now.

[Elmagor]

Nope, these are alternatives to the Epic Battles. If you'd like to earn Promotion Points, you'll still be doing those in Epic Battles proper.

MoL

What about access to Epic Battles? If you complete Storied Tales, you get access to Helm's Wall, or you still need complete previous Epic battles to get access to all of them?

[Hallandil]

Nope, these are alternatives to the Epic Battles. If you'd like to earn Promotion Points, you'll still be doing those in Epic Battles proper.

MoL

One big problem with Epic Battles, especially from a player's first experience is the lack of any promotion points to begin with.

If a player enters for the first time with rank 0, there is virtually nothing they can interact with.

If the tutorial quest / storied tales gave enough to at least earn rank 0 (or some items were changed to be accessible with rank 0), this would be a massive qualit of life improvement.

This problem creates a large threshold to cross when entering Epic Battle content for the first time, something to especially consider when looking ahead to the Legendary Servers at 95.

[SkyWarpPro]

Doing the Epic Battles wasn't so bad, when I could actually complete them. But my burglar has been stuck on the first epic battle. It seems impossible to do it without the main guy dying or failing in some fashion for my burglar. Perhaps they have gotten harder over the years with all the changes to classes and armor and such that have been made.

[Woldo]

Nope, these are alternatives to the Epic Battles. If you'd like to earn Promotion Points, you'll still be doing those in Epic Battles proper.

MoL

Thanks. So Epic Battles will become optional but, in order to get the 2 trait points from 200 promotion points you still have to do them. Right?

[gildhur]

Doing the Epic Battles wasn't so bad, when I could actually complete them. But my burglar has been stuck on the first epic battle. It seems impossible to do it without the main guy dying or failing in some fashion for my burglar. Perhaps they have gotten harder over the years with all the changes to classes and armor and such that have been made.

Helm's Dike and Pelargir are almost impossible to solo, especially unranked and below 100. Fortunately people run Pel constantly, so it's easy to get that one done. But the Dike is just too big, has too much going on, and the NPC is far too fragile to maintain by yourself, especially if you're not already ranked. Putting the most complicated, hardest Epic Battle FIRST in the story is the opposite of ideal. Just making the NPC invulnerable would make it much more reasonable.

[Chirrup]

Helm's Dike and Pelargir are almost impossible to solo, especially unranked and below 100. Fortunately people run Pel constantly, so it's easy to get that one done. But the Dike is just too big, has too much going on, and the NPC is far too fragile to maintain by yourself, especially if you're not already ranked. Putting the most complicated, hardest Epic Battle FIRST in the story is the opposite of ideal. Just making the NPC invulnerable would make it much more reasonable.

I start solo'ing Defense of MT with while levelling alts. It's a much easier battle to be successful at. Once I've accumulated points in Defense, solo'ing the more challenging HD battles is feasible.

[Moondog548]

One big problem with Epic Battles, especially from a player's first experience is the lack of any promotion points to begin with.

If a player enters for the first time with rank 0, there is virtually nothing they can interact with.

If the tutorial quest / storied tales gave enough to at least earn rank 0 (or some items were changed to be accessible with rank 0), this would be a massive qualit of life improvement.

This problem creates a large threshold to cross when entering Epic Battle content for the first time, something to especially consider when looking ahead to the Legendary Servers at 95.

100% This.

I've always said EB's are fun when you are ranked up in one of the trees OR you are in there with a group just kinda bouncing around the fracas (but essentially getting carried). By contrast they are literally unengaging and often outright frustrating if you are trying them solo before you have several promotion points.

[Starsmith]

Helm's Dike and Pelargir are almost impossible to solo, especially unranked and below 100. Fortunately people run Pel constantly, so it's easy to get that one done. But the Dike is just too big, has too much going on, and the NPC is far too fragile to maintain by yourself, especially if you're not already ranked. Putting the most complicated, hardest Epic Battle FIRST in the story is the opposite of ideal. Just making the NPC invulnerable would make it much more reasonable.

This is interesting, because my opinion of the Rohan epics was, after doing them all in a row, solo, at level, was that Deeping Wall was the hardest (because it was the only one that had enemy catapults) and Helm's Dike was almost impossible to *fail*.

Maybe I got an easy combo of side missions.

Pelargir under 100 is hard to solo, so I figure that's an issue of improper scaling, because it's quite doable solo at 100.

100% This.

I've always said EB's are fun when you are ranked up in one of the trees OR you are in there with a group just kinda bouncing around the fracas (but essentially getting carried). By contrast they are literally unengaging and often outright frustrating if you are trying them solo before you have several promotion points.

Ha, yes. That was my experience doing them the first time for the story. Literally unengaging. Basically watching them run themselves while I sat back and just...uh...I'll poke this balista for 20 minutes...?

[Crell_1]

Nope, these are alternatives to the Epic Battles. If you'd like to earn Promotion Points, you'll still be doing those in Epic Battles proper.

MoL

Personally I'd love to see some +1 Class traits in this method, so we have more sources of alternate points to work with.

[teribithia9]

I know it says to pick them up from the person who would normally bestow the quest, but I was in the middle of Vol 3, book 12, ch 6 atop the wall. wiki says it starts with Aragorn. I've checked both Aragorn and Legolas just in case but neither of them appear to have rings? I have been stuck here forever not being able to get past this EB so I'd really love to try the storied tale instead....just can't find where to start it?

[OldMadeOfLions]

I know it says to pick them up from the person who would normally bestow the quest, but I was in the middle of Vol 3, book 12, ch 6 atop the wall. wiki says it starts with Aragorn. I've checked both Aragorn and Legolas just in case but neither of them appear to have rings? I have been stuck here forever not being able to get past this EB so I'd really love to try the storied tale instead....just can't find where to start it?

It should be the version of Aragorn that's on the Deeping Wall in Helm's Deep (After Midnight). Maybe double-check your quest log to find the last quest you completed? You're really looking for the most recent Book 13 quest - if you're in the middle of III.13.6, you might be on the stage where you need to round up swordsmen down below, before coming back up to speak to Legolas for the Epic Battle proper.

MoL

[teribithia9]

It should be the version of Aragorn that's on the Deeping Wall in Helm's Deep (After Midnight). Maybe double-check your quest log to find the last quest you completed? You're really looking for the most recent Book 13 quest - if you're in the middle of III.13.6, you might be on the stage where you need to round up swordsmen down below, before coming back up to speak to Legolas for the Epic Battle proper.

MoL

Thank you! It did make me round up all the soldiers all over again. Appreciate it.

[Krisgarred]

Can anybody please tell me the exact position of Cenric? I just can't find him to take up the storied versions.

[WeirdJedi]

Can anybody please tell me the exact position of Cenric? I just can't find him to take up the storied versions.

Helm's Deep, Sunrise Banner: [63.9S, 90.0W]

Cenric: [70.5N, 17.4W]

[Krisgarred]

Thanks, Cenrics coordinates are correct but the banner is rather at 68.9N 18.7W.

[WeirdJedi]

Thanks, Cenrics coordinates are correct but the banner is rather at 68.9N 18.7W.

Well, those coordinates are only for the specific phasing in which you are currently inside the instance at Sunrise in which the banner doesn't exist. The coordinates for the banner in which you port into Helm's Deep, which is "Before the Battle" instance, is correct. And then the coordinates for the other phases are different as well, but I figured I'd stick the landscape one in there.