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    Bullroarer Update 30.3 - Beta 5 - CLOSED

    Bullroarer is CLOSED
    Thank you all for your participation, bugs, and feedback!!

    Server Opening Time: Tuesday, 10/05 12:00 PM EDT
    Server Closing Time: Friday, 10/08 5:00 PM EDT (Subject to Change)

    Server Update: Friday, 10/08 10:00 AM EDT.

    • Changes with the 10/06 Update are marked in violet
    • Changes with the 10/07 Update are marked in turquoise
    • Changes with the 10/08 Update are marked in gold

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    Bullroarer is open for a look at Update 30.3, specifically focusing on the Brawler class and the New Legendary Item System.
    Please refer to these threads:


    Release Notes

    General

    • Chapter 13: Khazad-dûm At Last! challenge level reduced (51->50)
    • All lvl 50 traceries, enh. runes, & LI2 reward packageitems changed to allow use down to level 45.
    • Disabled several old LI tutorial tips, and updated text for remaining ones.
    • Imbued LI's now grant more Incomparable Enhancement Runes on conversion.
    • Archivist now acts as a forge master.
    • LI starter quests now grant a specific tracery to each class that should be usable and generally relevant in most builds.
    • Removed most of the old runic/LI rewards from quest treasure tables.
    • The convert button on the LI panel now says, "Appraise" and gives you a summary of what you are going to earn by converting with the options of Cancel and Claim.
    • Removed old LI rewards from a few more quests
    • Tweaked level ranges for Enhancement runes
    • Tweaked level values for LI reforges
    • LI barter disabled for skirmish camp vendors, this has been functionally replaced by the Archive in Rivendell
    • Fixed a number of classic LI's which were still able to cross equip with new ones.
    • Disarm has been largely disabled on most mobs, as it had too large a statistical impact with the new weapons in play
    • Some LI2 reward packages were bugging out when opened and failing to grant stuff. These should now work properly.

    Beorning

    • Fixed BEEEEEEESS, which were changed to scale off weapon damage - far too well as it turns out.
    • Bumped most other beorning dps a little, excepting Bees & RM.
    • Call to Wild tracery now provides a (10->30%) Melee Dmg boost during the buff.
    • New Beorning DoT Pulse tracery (+1/2/3/4) pulses.

    Brawler

    • Changed name of 'set up buff' brawler traceries to 'Innate Strength'
    • Changed name of Set up mettle chance traceries to 'Battle-wise' and increase their % bonus.
    • Increasing Cooldown of Hurl Object back to 6s
    • 'Gift Skill CD' tracery renamed to 'Share Skill Cooldowns'.
    • Fix for Battle Gauntlet DPS display.

    Burglar

    • Aim should properly guarantee critical hits again.

    Captain

    • Bonus from Muster Courage Fear Resist tracery reduced to ~20%, as the existing bonus was too effective in negating fear mechanics.

    Champion

    • Deep Strikes bleed is now affected by champ bleed bonus tracery.
    • Bonus from 'Fight On' critical chance tracery improved, and display fixed to show as a %.
    • Broad DPS bump (~30%) to make up for lost crit magnitude bonuses in the LI changes
    • Bracing Attack is now a 25% self heal (+10% for Tracery bonus), used to be a poorly scaling heal.

    Guardian

    • Some Guardian traceries were not properly affecting DoT dmg. Fixed.

    Hunter

    • Some hunter traceries were not affecting DoT dmg, fixed.
    • Some hunter traceries were not affecting 2nd strike dmg. Fixed.
    • Hunter skills w/oil buffs no longer directly benefit from fire/light damage bonuses (only skills with permanent damage types will benefit from these)
    • Archer's Mark now inflicts a stacking (0.5%-2.5%) incoming damage debuff on the target rather than a critdef rating debuff.

      • This debuff is shared, so there can only be one on the target.

    • Reduced crit magnitude bonus for induction & focus bow traceries.
    • Reduced tracery crit bonuses for Quick Shot, and slightly reduced quick shot base damage.

    Lore-master

    • Insult to Injury is now fire dmg and affected by fire dmg buffs.
    • Ring of Fire Aoe damge fixed, was bugged significantly too high.
    • Ents go to War damage has been buffed considerably.
    • Ancient Craft base armor debuff value has been buffed to bring its performance in line with live.
    • Sigil of command parry rating mod has been changed to parry chance.
    • Hope initial heal effect is now affected by single-target traceries rather than aoe.
    • Staff skill damage is now based off magic damage.
    • Fixed an issue where some pets were not properly receiving their startup effects due to effect conflicts.

    Minstrel

    • Echoes of battle song resistance now properly increased by its Tracery.
    • Anthem of Compassion tracery name and tactical mitigation bonus fixed.
    • Fixed traited cooldown reduction for Triumphant Spirit.
    • Inspire Fellows was not considering weapon/class item HPS bonuses.
    • Fixed some values for old imbued versions of Anthem of Composure & Call to Ioreth Crit Mag legacies.

    Rune-keeper

    • Fixed Epic Conclusion dot dmg
    • Scribe's spark CD reduction tracery fixed (was -0.05s, now -0.5s, reducing cooldown from 3.0->2.5s)
    • Mending Verse tracery now increases initial heal as well as DoT.
    • Fixed name of Searing Words tracery.
    • Traited Essence of Flame will now benefit from bonus target traceries
    • Static Surge now correctly benefits from AoE Damage traceries.

    Warden

    • Warden's Taunt dmg fixed when under Recklessness effect, and dot effect is now called 'Reckless Taunt'.
    • Warden Javelin skills w/oil buffs no longer benefit from tracery elemental set bonuses (only skills with permanent damage types will benefit from these)
    • Generally rebalanced the damage of Warden DoT's as they seemed to have benefitted enormously from a recent normalization pass and the new Tracery bonuses.
    • Quick Sweep trait chance increased (10/20/30 -> 50/75/100), but its damage substantially reduced.

    KNOWN ISSUES:
    • Essence Reclamation Scrolls cannot be used with Items of Legends to remove Traceries. This function was removed inadvertently and will be addressed.
    • Use of the Appraise button on a classic LI will cause the client to crash. This issue is being addressed.
      • This issue is resolved with the 10/07 Update

    • Several Metalworking recipes and crafted items will be missing from this update. This includes many lower level armour pieces, some crafted LIs, and many Shields and Rune-keeper class items.
      • This issue is resolved the the 10/07 Update.

    Please keep in mind much is still in development, and many changes may not have notes here.
    All costs are placeholder.
    All Feedback in encouraged and Bugs are welcome!
    Please continue the existing threads with your Feedback, and as always thank you for your participation!
    Last edited by Kehleyr_SSG; Oct 08 2021 at 05:03 PM.
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    Good afternoon, any balance work done?

    You cannot release this update without doing some

    The "hurl object" skill has received more balancing work than the entire champion class...


    Also no improvements to the conversion ratios?!?!?!

    Are you trying to kill this game?

    The entire last thread was full of feedback saying it was not good enough. Thank you for once again reminding us that you don't read it.
    Last edited by Nubja; Oct 05 2021 at 12:42 PM.

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    No balance and no improvement on conversion rates...

    Well done SSG a almost dead game and u guys are doing a great effort to finish it sooner.

    Also, good move releasing the quest pack code in the same week of New World release now the casuals players who are being rewarded by this LI ####ty revamp are buying other game xD


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    "in before Nubja" needs to become a thing. Is this the last BR? I hope not, still don't see any champ notes.
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    champ changes

    Quote Originally Posted by Strider5548 View Post
    "in before Nubja" needs to become a thing. Is this the last BR? I hope not, still don't see any champ notes.
    they are hidden in the second last line of the brawler change notes.

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    Champion
    Deep Strikes bleed is now affected by champ bleed bonus tracery.
    Increasing Cooldown of Hurl Object back to 6s

    i'm sorry being so blind! This solves everything...

    You know deep strikes is bad, right? And rend is so weak a lot of champs forego using it if there's more than 1 ychamp because literally any other skill will do more damage overall.

    I don't see this new skill "Hurl Object" on my champ on BR though? :eyeroll:

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    Quote Originally Posted by fealegwe2 View Post
    they are hidden in the second last line of the brawler change notes.
    Apologies. That was my editing mistake.
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    Hi, thank you for giving us another round of beta. Here are some feedback:

    * Brawler:
    + The class still has the same avatar's icon as the beorning class.
    + The class seems to run out of Power faster than other class.
    + There is still no unique consuming items for the Brawler class. Even the Beorning has these potions: https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Ite...Potion_of_Rage. Because the Brawler uses Mettle, at least give the class something to boost the mettle like Fervour/Focus/Wrath potions for Champ/Hunter/Beorning please.
    + The weaponsmith's recipes for the Battle Gauntlets do not offer several variants per recipe.
    This class is not free; hence, we expect the class is equivalent to other paid classes in both quality and quantity.

    * LI system:
    + Thank you for updating the icon for Heraldry, Words of Power, and Word of Craft slots. They look very nice.
    + Still no new panel for the new LI system, dragging them into the essence slot is extremely inconvenient. Doubling click on the traceries should be feasible please.
    + The LI still has the vertical UI, which is not efficient and convenient for viewing the traceries.
    + The conversion rate is still not sufficient as many players complain.
    + There is still no information about bartering current LI ingredients such as IXP runes, SoE, Crystals, Shards, etc.
    Wose, Huorn, and Earth Kin are playable races; when will that day come true?
    https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...-playable-race

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strider5548 View Post
    "in before Nubja" needs to become a thing.
    Too late

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    I think this one might be some sort of joke...

    Imbued LI's now grant more Incomparable Enhancement Runes on conversion.
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    Enhancement Runes only stacks to 100 in essence bag

    After converting old LIs the acquired enhancement runes only stack to 100 in an essence bag, whereas in the bag it stacks to more then 300.
    In addition you can only put a stack of 100 into the essence bag per rune type. This reduces the usefulness of an essence bag. Is this the intended behavior?

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    Thumbs up Valar Packages (Needs to be Updated)!

    - [Gift of the Valar Package] - [Level 50 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 50 Item Pack].

    - [Blessing of the Valar Upgrade] - [Level 95 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 95 Item Pack].

    - [Aria of the Valar Upgrade - Level 105 Level Boost] - [Level 105 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 105 Item Pack] -> [Box of Class Deed Tomes] -> Needs to be updated for Brawler Class.

    - [Valar Level Boost Package - 120] - [Level 120 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 120 Item Pack] -> [Valar Trait Points] -> Needs to be updatet for Brawler Class.


    A few other things that must be changed:

    - Increase or Remove the [Ancient Script] Cap.

    - Reduce the Costs of the [Heraldrics] - [Word of Craft] - [Word of Power] and [Class Traceries].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanganark View Post
    - [Gift of the Valar Package] - [Level 50 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 50 Item Pack].

    - [Blessing of the Valar Upgrade] - [Level 95 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 95 Item Pack].

    - [Aria of the Valar Upgrade - Level 105 Level Boost] - [Level 105 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 105 Item Pack] -> [Box of Class Deed Tomes] -> Needs to be updated for Brawler Class.

    - [Valar Level Boost Package - 120] - [Level 120 Weapon Pack] -> Needs to be updated -> Maybe also the [Level 120 Item Pack] -> [Valar Trait Points] -> Needs to be updatet for Brawler Class.


    A few other things that must be changed:

    - Increase or Remove the [Ancient Script] Cap.

    - Reduce the Costs of the [Heraldrics] - [Word of Craft] - [Word of Power] and [Class Traceries].
    We apologize that this is not yet in today's Bullroarer build. We will be adjusting the Valars to account for Brawler and the Legendary Item update.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kehleyr_SSG View Post

    • Chapter 13: Khazad-dûm At Last! challenge level reduced (51->50)
    • All lvl 50 traceries, enh. runes, & LI2 reward packageitems changed to allow use down to level 45.

    Excellent! Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kehleyr_SSG View Post
    Apologies. That was my editing mistake.

    Did you leave out the Champ base damage increase update as well somewhere?

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    Angry Why do SSG hates champions that much?

    Well, well, well what do we have here?
    5th (and final according to Cord of the Rings) Bullroarer testing - and again, with none or next-to-none improvements to champion damage.
    Experienced folks keep asking again and again, being still ignored.
    So ....
    Why do you hate Champ class that much you want to kill it? Oha wait, you don't want to kill it - you already killed it, great job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarsong View Post
    Well, well, well what do we have here?
    5th (and final according to Cord of the Rings) Bullroarer testing - and again, with none or next-to-none improvements to champion damage.
    Experienced folks keep asking again and again, being still ignored.
    So ....
    Why do you hate Champ class that much you want to kill it? Oha wait, you don't want to kill it - you already killed it, great job.
    You must be punished. You know your sins. Accept thy fate with your heads held high!



    All joking aside, we are heading into a period of instability once Update 30.3 goes Live and then Update 31 less than 30 Days after (pending anything).

    So Champion might not be the only Class Post-Update 30.3 and Post-Update 31 which are in varying states of their ability to play at any Level including the new Max Level Cap coming soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarsong View Post
    Well, well, well what do we have here?
    5th (and final according to Cord of the Rings) Bullroarer testing - and again, with none or next-to-none improvements to champion damage.
    Experienced folks keep asking again and again, being still ignored.
    So ....
    Why do you hate Champ class that much you want to kill it? Oha wait, you don't want to kill it - you already killed it, great job.
    Champ is by far hit the worst, but no dps classes except hunter and warden will be used if this update goes out as is. It's embarassing for SSG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubja View Post
    Champ is by far hit the worst, but no dps classes except hunter and warden will be used if this update goes out as is. It's embarassing for SSG.
    Indeed. This is just a bad joke. I won't even bother going to BR5 since none of my capped classes will do any good outside Hunter and maybe Guard for tanking.

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    Can Burglar get a Specialization Buff tracery? It's 30s on non-imbued bags.

    Also:https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...ing-deprecated

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    • Brawler's Joy of Battle-Damage still has a "?" icon and a "DNT" in the buff bar.
    • After getting to 9 Mettle, the pulsing brass knuckles graphic on the sides of your character stays there forever. I used skills, emptied my Mettle, left combat, ported to another map, and still the graphic is there. Only goes away on relog.
    • The Enhancement Rune given by the Volume II: Chapter 10 quest, Forgotten Lineage has a string table error in the quest window. The tooltip on mouseover is correct.
    • New LIs still show no DPS on mouseover. You only see the DPS in the "Essences" UI.
    • New tracery icons are excellent!
    • Brawler tracery "Ignore Pain Cooldown & Dispel Count" says "Shrug It Off" in the listed effects, not "Ignore Pain".
    • Pummel still does far too little damage. 99 dmg every 1s at level 45 is FAR less than you could get by just using other skills instead. Pummel should be more of a closer move, with higher cost (6 or even 9 Mettle) and do at least 10x its current DoT.
    • Brawler still shows Beorning paw icon in the character panel. Every other place it appears to have the correct class icon.
    • Strike Towards the Sky has a far too short range at 2.7m. The other Brawler AOE skills have 7.2m and 5.2m ranges, and every other melee skill is 3.5m. I completely miss any targets far more often than I hit them with STTS. It should be at least 3.5m, but preferably ~5m.
    • Traceries can be added by right-clicking them like old LI components now! YAY!
    • Class slot LIs like Brawler's Stein show the base Incoming Healing Rating modifier twice in the Essences UI (but not the mouseover tooltip). The already CVS-receipt-long UI could at least save the extra line by not duplicating things.
    Last edited by gildhur; Oct 05 2021 at 05:24 PM.
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    Unimbued LIs seem to get no bonus materials from having crystals/scrolls/relics applied.

    A "clean" level 75 first ager just levelled up to 70 gives the exact same amount of materials as one with Rememberance, star lits, maxed legacies, titles and relics added to it.

    Not sure if this is a bug or WAI, clarification would be nice



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    For plugin support, we need a Turbine.Gameplay.Attributes.Br awlerAttributes.GetMettle similar to HunterAttributes.GetFocus, BeorningAttributes.GetWrath, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurallor View Post
    For plugin support, we need a Turbine.Gameplay.Attributes.Br awlerAttributes.GetMettle similar to HunterAttributes.GetFocus, BeorningAttributes.GetWrath, etc.
    Also need the "MettleChanged" event.
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    Angry New weapon items!

    Just to be clear....

    I'm not a friend of this new class attributes run after..., yes sure we get [Shattered Morgul Tracery]/[Fragmented Morgul Tracery] all well and good... but I think that since (I don't want to claim or anything) we (ALL) invest money in this game it should be possible for (ALL) to get [Cracked Morgul Tracery] too, and not in a raid T3+ if then the stuff must already drop well in T1 or craft through missions or what I know, but in a raid to place these items is the WRONG way @SSG, because I say it only too gladly again (WE ALL) Put monthly / annually a lot of money in this game. ... I just say that really all should have the opportunity to get these items. You can hate me now or what do I know..., but it is now a fact that this game is not only for ''hardcore raiders'' there, simply to have made this clear!
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