@Scenario all landscape errors

[Skohgar]

15.Weird intense lighting with no source that happens in water no matter where you are which seems to follow your character and only shows up at certain angles (even happens in dark areas like Angmar)

[Scenario]

15.Weird intense lighting with no source that happens in water no matter where you are which seems to follow your character and only shows up at certain angles (even happens in dark areas like Angmar)

This is the global landscape light source causing the specularity of the water to highlight. You'll notice this sort of effect on terrain textures as well. We expect this sort of visual effect.

[Skohgar]

This is the global landscape light source causing the specularity of the water to highlight. You'll notice this sort of effect on terrain textures as well. We expect this sort of visual effect.

Thanks for clarity and if this is how it is intended then it is fine just though I would bring it up.
The reason I called it weird is due to how intense it is(to the point where that water is white) even at night and due to how it follows the direction of your camera not the character actually so you can be in the exact same spot and 180 your camera and the lighting on the water is completely different.

[Skohgar]

16. Mordor 'thing' for lack of a better word with no physics (obviously because its a part of the larger tower asset so very minor and probably not worth while to change)
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17. A couple vents that have no under texture/are floating
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18.Floating Dwarf
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19.Dwarf sitting in mid air or didn't skip leg day-also Gimli is leaning on his axe that doesn't reach the floor(less important)
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20.Maggot holes could do with better physics around the edges but more importantly they make your character disappear when you jump into them
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[Skohgar]

21. Lhingris smeared/stretched textures and a weird line
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22.Weird diamond shapes in water and the exact edge of the zone the water just stops but this area is right at the end of the region so understandable for both
Also the effect Vicious current river that is applied here describes the Anduin which this obviously isn't
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[Skohgar]

23. Is the invisible wall here needed? maybe it is but if not it would be nice to see non integral invisible walls removed
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24.Why is jumping off this bridge instant death even though you need to go below for the chests anyway
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25.Invisible wall on this area of water creates some stuck spots above.
Could it be removed and an actual rock to escape be added or maybe a more interesting root where you can swim under the rock and out at the water fall below(probably the second option isn't possible but would make more sense in terms of water flow)
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26.The water fall doesnt fully cover the river so you can see where the water just ends
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27.No texture on the underside of this rock
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[Skohgar]

28.Floating rocks
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The 3 below are comments on the general area of Lhingris

Lhingris in my opinion feels like it didn't have as much effort put into it as the other Mordor zones and looks the worse by far this is because:

29.Many of the rock assets don't match the ground texture e.g. this rock better matches the Angmar ground texture than Lhingris


30.Webs were placed around the area which look fine but it seems as if after that was done rocks were added over the top which look really bad and since the webs move they move in and out of the rocks
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31. Many invis walls as shown above

32.Many of the rivers/running water feel as if they just materialise out of rocks and have the same problem as the webs where they run straight back into the rocks
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33.Also the spiders that are used through out the region are just the same old spiders from the Barrow Downs and old Eriador which considering its a spider themed zone it would at least use the new Mirkwood or Mordor spiders that are used in the High elf starter area (but I do think the spiders should be kept considering they have been like this for years now)

[Skohgar]

34.Floating reward chests in all 4 Mordor allegiance halls
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35.Floating quest notes in all 4 mordor allegiance halls (may depend on quest rotation)
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36.Gap in the texture of the Lothlorien allegiance hall tree
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37.Weird lighting on iron fence thing in Lothlorien allegiance hall
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38.Bit of carpet clips up the steps (intended?) and benches float where the main elves stand
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39. Also it would be really nice if an actual flet entrance to the allegiance hall was added. You could use the one Celeborn is currently on on the one that is on the same tree but currently not accessible.

[Skohgar]

40. The ground reflections disappear depending on your cameras angle and the benches slightly float (also leaves kind of get cut on in a line)?
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41. The lighting/reflection on the water on and around this fountain in Bar Thorenion change depending on your cameras angle
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42. Bar Thorenion floating tables and chairs both sides of the water
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[Skohgar]

43. Middle shield floats
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44. Shield needs to be set back a bit as its leaning on nothing
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45. Floating cups and barrel
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46. Archway and food specular highlighting and archway slightly clips through wall at the bottom (also Dol Guldur wall intended?)
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47. Floating benches also a bowl in the second lock (Also some specular highlighting on that jar?)
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48. Also it would be nice if you added an actual entrance and physical representation of Bar Thorenion on the landscape maybe in the coming Gondor update if North Ithilien is included

[Skohgar]

49. Many of the portcullises are interactable in Bar Thorenion even though they are high up and don't actually affect the player, is this intended?
In the image the portcullis starts below the archway and goes up to the roof
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50. These two plant types are slightly to high through the area (hard to see in the images)
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51. Are the ceilings through out the Bar Thorenion side rooms supposed to not fully cover the room?
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52. Floating torch thing
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[Skohgar]

53. This anvil and bucket don't light properly with per pixel lighting
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54.Some more floating chairs
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55.Underside of these obelisks have no texture or floats
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56. Sack floats and some of the black rubble slightly (cant see the rubble in the image)
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57. Is this invisible wall necessary? considering mobs spawn up here anyway
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[Skohgar]

58. Items inside underneath and above this rock (seems impossible if its implied the rock was from the volcano so remove the on top part?)
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59. Floating beds and tents
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60. This probably can't be avoided but the non NPC mumakil have weird hit boxes where you can run through some legs but not all
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61.Door slightly floats
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62.Building slightly floats
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[Skohgar]

63. Remove the invisible wall under this bridge
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64.Floating logs and campfire
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65.Specular highlighting on these trees
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66. No texture underneath towers + second image shows an specular highlighting error
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[Skohgar]

67. If you fall down here you get stuck
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68.Slightly floating wall in Ost Guruth
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69.Building sticks through wall
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70. Reflections change depending on camera angle
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[Skohgar]

71. The whole hall of the king is out of line/unsymmetrical and considering this is the throne room you would think it should be be

71.1. Left side white strip doesn't go as far as the right(reason may not be strip but as shown the below the path way?)
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71.2.Entrance way into main room isn't central and the brown path way doesn't extend as the way to the left(which could be the cause of the above error)
Also left guard isn't facing the same way but this isn't as important
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71.3 Room isn't central to the main platform
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71.4 Room generally isn't central as left brazier plat form doesn't come out as far as the right one
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71.5 Throne area isn't central to the path way
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This is all recorded in the allegiance hall version of the throne room but may occur on the normal version (haven't checked yet)

[Skohgar]

72 Erebor is symmetrical up until this point
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73.Water appears from nowhere on these fountains
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74.Floating debris in the hidden chamber
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75. These two statues slightly float in the hidden chamber
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76. Is this line supposed to clip through the throne slope thing? (I know this is just a feature of games but for all these slope thrones how would people even walk up them?)
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77.Not landscape but Dourhand Storm-keepers from Skirmishes have one of these induction abilities called 'Induction Text' which surely isn't intended?

[Skohgar]

78. The back of the throne has missing textures and no physics
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79. No texture on the underside of these pillars
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80. This door is too far forward so there is a gap behind it
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81. Door slightly floats
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82. Very slightly floating dwarf
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83. Not really landscape but the last boss in Sword-hall of Dol Guldur called Durkar after doing his central AOE he will make the corresponding sound and animation on loop for the rest of the fight which is quite annoying

[Skohgar]

84. Another door that is too far forward
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85. This bit of floor isn't aligned correctly like the rest and carpets don't align either
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86. These wall pieces are aligned correctly on all 4 corners above/ceiling and below (8 places)
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87. Gundabad mirrors have water which doesn't react to players or make sounds (could be a limitation of having the water be part of the wider model so it isn't technically water?)
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89. The mirrors have a couple untextured parts (also their arms don't have sloped hit boxes even though they are not sloped could be intended to stop players jumping on them?
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[TesalionLortus]

87. Gundabad mirrors have water which doesn't react to players or make sounds (could be a limitation of having the water be part of the wider model so it isn't technically water?)
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Is that supposed to be water though? I remember it was confusing yeah but I think it's just supposed to be a reflective blue surface though the color and shapes on its texture seem strangely reminiscent of water and some waves true

[itshuntah31]

An issue that I keep seeing in Cardolan is with distant imposters. The distant trees aren't loading, only wireframe models. It makes the landscape look more fallout-like as the trees all look dead. I submitted a bug report a while ago but still hasn't gotten fixed.

[TesalionLortus]

An issue that I keep seeing in Cardolan is with distant imposters. The distant trees aren't loading, only wireframe models.

Yeah that's true, submitted as well.

[Polymachos]

It may have been my ###### machine, but when I rode north and parallel to the Greenway, I noticed dark rectangular tiles in the skybox that definitely did not belong there. There were two groups of them, one at about two o' clock, one - slightly larger - more to the east, and they always kept the same distance to my character.


Greetings, Polymachos

[Scenario]

An issue that I keep seeing in Cardolan is with distant imposters. The distant trees aren't loading, only wireframe models. It makes the landscape look more fallout-like as the trees all look dead. I submitted a bug report a while ago but still hasn't gotten fixed.

There is a coded limit on the number of distant imposters that can be a part of the landscape. With more verdant areas, we can sometimes hit the cap on that, and "oddities" occur. For U35 - I removed imposters from a handful of bush assets to free up a TON of imposters for bigger assets such as trees. Hopefully, this change will help resolve imposter oddities in a number of places across the game world.

[TesalionLortus]

There is a coded limit on the number of distant imposters that can be a part of the landscape. With more verdant areas, we can sometimes hit the cap on that, and "oddities" occur. For U35 - I removed imposters from a handful of bush assets to free up a TON of imposters for bigger assets such as trees. Hopefully, this change will help resolve imposter oddities in a number of places across the game world.

Great to hear, these odd "dead" trees were pretty apparent on the horizon. That's interesting, makes me wonder... are there other such hard-coded limits within the game? At least as far as landscape design is concerned