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  1. #76
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    Re: =Book 3: Echoes of the Dead= SPOILERS/Lore Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Munuc View Post
    Another generic 'Ranger' is killed as you run out of the barrow, so two die in front of us.
    While I think you are correct on only two of them dying directly in front of us, if that was what you're getting at, there were more than two Rangers who fell. Besides Candaith, I counted three/four unnamed Rangers dead. The other fallen ones I believe are already dead when you pass them though, and it is not unthinkable that someone would miss them (their grey garnments blended rather well with the floor), especially if one did not have floating names toggled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lohi View Post
    I suspect Nona will show up following us at least.
    You know, I think I'm gonna make a bold prediction here.

    We know that we will see Isengard before its fall. We also know that the Grey Company will be delayed. Lastly, we know that Nona wants revenge.

    So, my prediction; Nona is going to be one of our primary allies, and questgivers, once we pass Dunland and reach the Gap of Rohan, and Isengard. The Grey Company are likely going to be delayed by something in Dunland (preventing them from acting as our main questgivers further on) while we somehow manage to slip through and get closer to Isengard. At this point, Nona will appear again, having followed the Grey Company in secret, and after seeing us splitting away from them, she decided to reveal herself to us, giving us her aid in the battles to come.

    Off course, depending on the timeline, if we manage to meet up with some of the Rohirrim (most likely at some point close to the second battle at the Fords of Isen), travelling with Nona would become a huge roadblock for us, her being a Dunlending and all. Face-to-face interaction between Nona and the Rohirrim would be interesting to see; Would she set her dislike for the people of Rohan aside, to oppose Saruman?
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  2. #77
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    Re: =Book 3: Echoes of the Dead= SPOILERS/Lore Question

    Quote Originally Posted by Laediel View Post
    Apologies for butting in when you weren't addressing me, but while I understand the rationale here - Candaith was between a rock and a hard place with no easy solution, thus his actions were justified - I am saying that the entire scene is falsified by that single lie, and so is Candaith, and Candaith's direction until now, because 'once a liar always a liar', and it doesn't matter if the intent was for the good, or whatever, it is still a corruption of truth, wherein all nobility stands, and thus dishonours the speaker.

    The Rangers are supposed to be extraordinary. They are a cut above and are supposed to be of such quality that they are very hard to turn... and when one is turned to darkness, it's a big deal. When they go to the bad, they go even further or more thoroughly than 'mere mortals'.

    Telling a lie to cover your ???? or to attain a difficult goal is for ordinary people, it's for mere humans to justify such actions, not for Dunedain Rangers. It doesn't matter in what cause or for what reward, it is still false and is voluntarily stepping onto the road to darkness.

    Every other Ranger that we have seen die has done so bravely and with courage and honour.
    Candaith died bravely, foolishly, and with his honour besmirched, and I don't think the last is necessary or even warranted.

    I would still like to see the dialogue of those few sentences altered.
    Nothing else has to change, just have the Oathbreakers 'live up to' their rep, and let Candaith die, but in honour.
    Please.
    ... is your opinion, and to that you are entitled.

    I agree it surprised me, but I can't say it leaves him without honor. IMHO, it was just a tie in with the rings they'd made. If you want to get ticky, why in the world wouldn't Halbarad, the Captain of the GC, been the one speaking to the chief oath-breaker? SO he wouldn't get killed. Fact is we've got no idea what happened between their summoning and when Halbarad and Aragorn meet in Rohan in the books. Turbine does what it can, and succeeds most of the time. The Grey Company would have ridden like the wind to meet Aragorn, not piddled around in Enedwaith, but in a game, they gotta give us something to do until 2014

  3. #78
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    Unhappy Re: =Book 3: Echoes of the Dead= SPOILERS/Lore Question

    Poor Candaith. I actually said "what are you doing?" aloud to my computer screen when he lied to the oathbreaker.

    My only question is if the movie shown afterward is available online. Because I'm f2p I can't go back and replay it, and my sound system cut out so while I got to watch it, I didn't hear a thing. I checked YouTube and found nothing, can anyone post a link to it at all?

  4. #79
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    Re: =Book 3: Echoes of the Dead= SPOILERS/Lore Question

    Quote Originally Posted by blunderchick View Post
    My only question is if the movie shown afterward is available online. Because I'm f2p I can't go back and replay it, and my sound system cut out so while I got to watch it, I didn't hear a thing. I checked YouTube and found nothing, can anyone post a link to it at all?
    What does F2P have to do with it? All movies are available at the loading screen - look for Movie button to the right and then select one.

 

 
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