Rise of Isengard: Dev Diary Feedback: Monster Play Changes – Freep

[Reniannen]

Of course not. But when that particular thing is one of the strongest of their kind in the game, it is.

Even if it was a regular cloak it would still be available to only a few due to its high rank requirement.

Would be nice to award according to /played time but that only works for Creeps.

[SCHawks73]

Perhaps the devs should replace the stats on the regular rank 10 cloak with the stats from this new cloak, so that people who are rank 10 now will still get a unique reward, but anyone who achieves rank 10 in the future will not be deprived of a powerful item.

My freep is only R4 as I started PvMP only a couple months ago, but after reading through 5+ pages of this thread, this suggestion by the above would clear most of the problems.

If you are rank 10 by October 31, then you get a title and a cosmetic cloak, awesome! If you are tank 10 AT ANY TIME, you get a different looking R10 cloak BUT with the same stats... I don't think anyone would disagree with this (and have a valid argument that is).

[nolins12]

I cant believe people are whining about the ONE REWARD WE HAVE EVER GOTTEN for being high ranked, are you people serious?

[Baslin]

I cant believe people are whining about the ONE REWARD WE HAVE EVER GOTTEN for being high ranked, are you people serious?

There are other new rewards for high ranks. It's not about rewarding high ranks, it's about gating it for a month.

If it's about the high rank, leave it always available to high ranks.

[Chris91]

Having said that it looks like those class items in some cases are quite powerful compared to the crafted similar items we have seen so far from the Beta. The off-hand weapons shown have crazy dps - even better than 3rd Age Legendary Weapons. Didn't Turbine fix that?

It would be my hope that the PvMP rewards are slightly better than crafted items to make them worth acquiring but inferior to instance drops. Otherwise it would make participation in one aspect of the game (PvMP) an advantage in another (PvE), which seems unfair. Especially to non-VIPs.

No..
Some people put their play time into raiding, others into PvMP..PvMP is at least as challenging as raiding (imho Raiding is facerolling compared to PvMP..I seem to use twice as many skills in the Moors than in a raid)
PvMPing should be as much of an advantage in PvE as Raiding is an advantage in PvMP

They should NEVER be inferior, they should be equal in a way that benefits PvP. (PvP gear should be better for pvping then raid gear, and raid gear should be better for raiding then pvp gear)

QTF

[Magi]

There are other new rewards for high ranks. It's not about rewarding high ranks, it's about gating it for a month.

If it's about the high rank, leave it always available to high ranks.

I agree completely. Placing a finite time period in which these quests can be completed rewards one play style; that of the solo character player. If you play more than one character in PvMP (like myself- I have many rank 6-8 characters), are on a less active server, a newer server or simply haven't had the time to grind out rank 10 then you are being told that you are out of luck. Limited time quests that reward one play style under the illusion of rewarding players "who have been here for the long haul" are simply not fair nor a true representation of veteran status.

[AceDwarf]

My freep is only R4 as I started PvMP only a couple months ago, but after reading through 5+ pages of this thread, this suggestion by the above would clear most of the problems.

If you are rank 10 by October 31, then you get a title and a cosmetic cloak, awesome! If you are tank 10 AT ANY TIME, you get a different looking R10 cloak BUT with the same stats... I don't think anyone would disagree with this (and have a valid argument that is).

I have to agree with this. R10 is an achievement whether you get it before November 1st or two years from now. I don't see any point in making it available for only a couple of days.

[Dugghere]

I'm curious about the idea of Captains getting the fate/will rings when it was my understanding that might is going to be the primary stat for healing.

This.

Please clarify.

[JasonEvan]

Would it be possible to have the cloak/title be based on time played?

I've been moorsing since fairly early in SoA, but as a serial altaholic, I don't have a toon that i could easily get to rank 10 before october 31st, but i do have about 6 characters between rank 6 and 8, and easily have enough renown to be a rank 10 if it was all in one place.

This rank restriction seems a bit of a slap in the face to people in my position. I know I'm not the only one either, I can think of at least 7 or 8 friends that have been moorsing since SoA but due to playing a number of characters, their highest rank is about 8, in most cases having 2 or 3 toons around rank 8 (easily rank 10 worth of renown, all alts considered).

^This point is valid. Rank should be account-wide.

[sandylovesgnr]

Will there be any use for the Luminous Spirit Stone after ROI goes live?

[Overtone]

Really like the new PvP Gear. It's definitely worth obtaining, and thankfully, the pve item grind was reconsidered. The new grind looks to be much more reasonable and manageable.

Love the two exclusive quests you gave to the Vets that have stuck it out in the Moors. Nice touch.

Few Questions and Comments

-I think Rank 4 is too early for Freeps to get the first piece of jewellry for their set. Rank 4 can be done in one day, if not just a few days, and it seems to me that obtaining the Good GV Map is reward enough. Even pushing it out to Rank 5 would be better.

-Will we still be using Tokens of Valor in RoI?

-Is the Loot in the GV Chests being updated? Will we still use Tokens of Valor to obtain the loot?

-Thought I remembered reading that Kelsan stated a second PvMP set would be launched soon after RoI. Is this true? Still the case?

-Still disappointed that peeps will get renown for doing quests, but we have known for some time that this change was coming.

-Don't care much about the Session Play changes. Haven't rolled a Ranger since SoA. Pretty fun that they will be able to map into places. Creeps are going to love that. lol

-You really should consider adding a way for Freeps to access the Moors aside from VIP. The way PvMP is beginning to shape out, it's beginning to look like a zone worth staying in permanently. Why not give F2P players options through the Turbine Store to unlock PvMP for TP on their Freep toons?

Overall, a pretty good pass for Freeps Kelsan. Thank you.

[Overtone]

Only thing I don't agree with is that there will be a special title and cloak for rank 10's and higher, only until the end of October, to show who has been in the game the longest. What if some people don't like PvP, but love the cloak?

Sorry, that cloak is not for Carebears. It is a PvMP reward. Too bad, so sad...

You have a few weeks to hit Rank 10. GoGoGo!!

Agreed. It stinks for the creeps and freeps on the 4 new servers too. We've only had a little over a year to get Rank 10, not 4+ years like the original servers. When I heard about these new titles it gave me a small reason to try for rank 10, but now what's the point? I know I won't get it by 10/31. I guess I should have stayed on my Rank 8 creep on Vilya instead of moving to Ridder to help populate the new server.

I have similar sentiments. My Creeps were my original PvMP toons back in early SoA. Because of the Creep:Freep number imbalances that began to occur in MoM, I switched to Freep and stopped playing my Creeps often. I remember getting 1-2 infamy a kill on my Reaver and thinking it was great. Back in early SoA there was no DR, there was no Charge, and Ranking on a Creep was tough. Now peeps can faceroll the class with only marginal difficulty and hit R10 easily.

I will be able to acquire the rewards on my Freep, but I didn't roll him until MoM. LOL Kind of strange...

Furthermore, I see a problem with requiring Rank 10 to get the titles and/or rewards by October 31st. First off, players are going to have to be 75 before they can go out into the Ettenmoors, which itself will probably take a few weeks to complete.

This is a great point. If anything, push the date out to Thanksgiving or Christmas.

What about Imladris? There are freeps that started to PvP the second they got geared and hit level cap, less then a month after the server was opened.
They have been here for the long haul. Is there anything longer then "since it all started"?

Sorry, but "since it all started" doesn't apply to Imladris, since Imladris wasn't around since it all started. In fact, Imladris wasn't even around the last time there was an expansion. lol

Is there a decent way for a moors solo player to acquire armour?

Yes. Roll a Warden.

I'm @30k from rank 10 and trying to get it in time, but lately some of the freeps on our server insist on wiping the map blue every night for some insane reason making it mind-numbingly dull for pvp... >.<

Blue maps are a Creep's wet dream. LOL Lots of Freeps out and lots of Keeps and Outposts to flip. My Reaver loves Blue maps.

[SneakyJimbo]

I agree completely. Placing a finite time period in which these quests can be completed rewards one play style; that of the solo character player. If you play more than one character in PvMP (like myself- I have many rank 6-8 characters), are on a less active server, a newer server or simply haven't had the time to grind out rank 10 then you are being told that you are out of luck. Limited time quests that reward one play style under the illusion of rewarding players "who have been here for the long haul" are simply not fair nor a true representation of veteran status.

I too agree on your statement and your quote and everybody else that have the same opinion. I made a thread on the RoI section before I saw this thread but I just wanted to state my opinion here too.

Link to my thread: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...13#post5669813

[SneakyJimbo]

While my creeps are all much further advanced than a greenie I see your point. However if they cannot reward the titles based on time played then the titles should just be kept in-game. Give players something to aspire to not something to get angry about because they didn't yet have the time to get to rank 10 on their characters before that two month window closed.

+Rep

Can't agree more, this is how I feel about it to

[roysterer]

Ok, the (apparently) awesome cloak is one thing, but the titles are quite another. I don't think I'm terribly unusual, and my freep has approximately a bajillion titles. What is the sense in getting upset about one more?

[Baslin]

-Will we still be using Tokens of Valor in RoI?

Yes.

-Is the Loot in the GV Chests being updated? Will we still use Tokens of Valor to obtain the loot?

Yes it includes, but isn't limited to:
-Rohirric potions
-PvMP potions
-Crests
-Brooches
-Level 75 LIs
-IXP
-New purple gear (some has finesse, some is comparable to pvmp armor)

[Overtone]

Yes it includes, but isn't limited to:
-Rohirric potions
-PvMP potions
-Crests
-Brooches
-Level 75 LIs
-IXP
-New purple gear (some has finesse, some is comparable to pvmp armor)

Thanks my man! +Rep

[GrandCru]

Thanks my man! +Rep

More info and some pic. there :

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...n-Vraig-Chests

[Mao_Mao]

So the extra stats that pvpers were promised are a no-show?
Not suprised at all with all the whine from PvEers.. .

I mean look at all this crying about one stupid cloak imagine if we had stats passed on pve land..Oh the horror.. .

And btw the "uber-cloak" is not so uber search a bit to find its stats and compare it with the rank1 cloak and come back to post here.. .

[PuduBatt]

Having both a r8 hunter and a r8 burg I can say it takes much more time ranking a burg than a hunter, Imo thats all the point in the difference.

So - the hunter blade has 33 less critical rating, 6 less vit, and no morale proc - and nothing cool to trade off for that.

What gives?

[quickstang_1994]

pvp can now be pve'd so give us the battle field promotions like creeps so we can at least stand somewhat of a chance.