[Vyvyanne] Server Move Question I would like a comment on from the EP

[Laerien]

Just the admission that many would want this service is a measure of how many were misled, and continued to be misled when the EU datacentre idea got dropped last year.

Not necessarily; if it is implemented, anyone could use it (misled or not) to move currencies between servers.

[maartena]

I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this, it's not about giving away some essences, it's all about marks and the insane grind that is iLI.

You could not have given away marks, they are account bound. If you SPENT them on stuff, and then gave the stuff away..... that is 100% your fault, and your fault alone.

The same is true for shards, medallions, seals, and most other currencies..... they are bound to account, you can't give them away. Same applies though: No one but YOU is responsible for spending all your marbles before you were 100% certain you would not need them anymore. You should have waited till the servers WERE in Amsterdam before giving away anything.

Anyway, I'm done with this company and this game. Turbine can consider my request canceled.

[Gandie2]

The trusting Turbine part occured when I came back after a break and instead of going back to NA, I started anew on EU.
I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this, it's not about giving away some essences, it's all about marks and the insane grind that is iLI.

Anyway, I'm done with this company and this game. Turbine can consider my request canceled.

Yippie --- msg too short


Yippie tie yay -- bye bye

[psalm8818]

I am an absolute tool, and the only valid opinion on any matter is my own!

Son, all that hate is going to burn you up.

[Xhiu]

No, it is 100% YOUR fault. When I quit playing, I am not giving anything away.... I don't know what I am going to do after all, I have no idea what companies decide, and I may come back to the game for instance.

The minute YOU start giving stuff away, it is 100% your responsibility. Don't put the blame on Turbine because they made a change in their plans regarding a server move.

And again, although you could have spent your marks and medallions on things, and then spread the love around with those things, but you could not have given away ANY of that currency, except for your gold. It's account bound stuff.

And now you are pissed off that they aren't going to move your server, and you just want all the currency you made on Evernight to fatten your Gladden wallet. Well, Frelorn has already answered so its a moot point, but it's completely wrong to blame Turbine for your give-away-frenzy.

That's like saying: "I am going to give away all the money in my savings account NOW because my employer said I am going to get a fat bonus next week". - And then 3 days later you get laid off....

Lesson you learned here: Don't give away anything before you have what you want firmly in your hands.

It is possible it was an even trade. On DAoC you will hear, infrequently, people asking to trade currency. as in...
WTT: your Plat on Alb for my Plat on Hib. pst.

So, a work around for getting stuff on an EU server if your toons are on NA servers would be to ask around if anyone had stuff on EU that they would trade on the NA server. If this is the case, and its not that likely, he wants the stuff he traded on NA back cuz it was all on the EU server that he already used to build up his toon(s).
It would be easiest for turbine to do his request by just adding stuff on his barter wallet and call it a day... which would still remain on Evernight. Now Turbine would have to remove that stuff from his Evernight barter wallet which is not one step, its two.

The exploit would be as soon as Turbine added the money to his NA toons he would send the coin/w/e to another player to be given back to his Evernight toons. The only way to prevent this would be to freeze his account until both actions were finished. Depending on the time it takes QA to get to that request, that could take weeks.

In fact, if I was the EP at Turbine, I would do a study on the feasibility on freezing accounts for the time it would take to do one player transfer manually and how much they could charge for it. Turbine doesn't want to do that. Players don't want to be frozen out for that long. Nobody wants to develop the mechanics of the transaction. And this doesn't even address how much they would need to charge or how much people would pay, and finding a middle ground. Oh, I forgot hiring one person dedicated to this one specific job... then firing her after the demand lessened.

[Egilric]

If EU to US conversion were feasible, you can bet your behind they'd have put it in the store LONG ago.

Of course it is feasible - all the data EU side is the same as the date US side - a string of 010010011110011001100110011100 11000 etc.

There is only one reason this hasn't happened - Turbine don't want it to.

All The Best

[EB64]

Of course it is feasible - all the data EU side is the same as the date US side - a string of 010010011110011001100110011100 11000 etc.

There is only one reason this hasn't happened - Turbine don't want it to.

All The Best

You're saying Turbine doesn't want money.
That is a dumb and ignorant statement.

They've said many times that Codemasters went and did a few things differently when they ran the EU side of things.
As such, in order to move data from EU to NA or vice versa they would have to manually go through the data, changing the coding for items/currencies/etc one at a time to make sure nothing gets corrupted and/or lost. The process would probably take hours to do, and I'm sure the error rate would end up higher than what currently happens with transfers.

[MourneBlade]

You're acknowledging that a lot of people are affected by this issue that is the direct consequence of your communication. Is it not worth considering, then, to find a solution to a problem that affects so many?

People are getting fast responses from GMs in-game. +Geneva+ responded to me within approx. 5 minutes of my submitting the ticket. GMs are seen talking to people in world chat. They magically flood the House of Coin with Northern Squirrels. And yet they are so busy they can't take 10 minutes to help with a situation like this?

Sorry, Frelorn, but it seems you took the easiest way out coming up with the most obvious excuse. Even if more people decided to request this service, it would definitely not be a mad rush.

I could say more words, but instead I just respectully urge you to reconsider. 8^)

You got your answer, that is all your going to get. Next time make better decisions and quit crying like a little girl when you don't get your way.....

[Harla]

It's funny you know...

At the beginning of this thread, I felt quite sympathetic to the OP; as unlikely as I knew it was, I genuinely hoped that something acceptable could be sorted out for them.

Every post they've made since, however, has swiftly and efficiently eroded that sympathy and altered their position from "bereft player missing their friends", to... well, to something distinctly less charitable.

They've posted responses that make it clear that they care far less about playing with their old friends and kin than they do about what is effectively their own spender's remorse, that their decision to change and leave their friends behind came not from a stronger need to move server, but because they were leaving anyway, and not expecting to come back. When they did come back, they decided to start up on a server that was not where all their friends were, based purely on the plan that that server would provide slightly better performance for them when the move was done, where they proceeded to buy their way back to cap quickly with RW currency, so that they cold spend all their game time mindlessly grinding marks - they chose to do this rather than come back and play with their friends, which their original post made quite a pronounced song and dance about.

The latest announcement about the data centre plans has led them to make another large leap of assumption - the assumption that the Amsterdam move is not happening at all: this has not been said in any way. All that's been said is what they have decided to work on right now, as immediate priority, and that that is not the move. Reading "Move isn't happening at all" from that is actually a pretty huge leap... as bad a leap as assuming it definitely would upon the first announcement. Maybe the move will never happen, but if they set down all the plans and preliminary expenditures for doing it, they're probably still going to eventually. Having made that second massive assumption, however, the OP is, nevertheless, in no worse a position than they were, except that by their own incautious decisions, they aren't with their friends on their advanced characters. They still have freedom to move their old characters, who are simply not current-content geared but are otherwise fully advanced, over to their friends' server, for free. The problem with doing that is that they'll then feel like they've absolutely wasted all the real money they poured into fast-raising their current characters.

All through this, they insist that it's 100% Turbine's fault for Making them give away all their things, start new characters on different servers, spend money on those characters and abandon their friends. They've also devoted effort to putting words in everyone else's mouths while they do so. Some examples:

"You're acknowledging that a lot of people are affected by this issue that is the direct consequence of your communication." -No he didn't, and no it isn't.

"Even if more people decided to request this service, it would definitely not be a mad rush." -Incongruity. You can't argue that not enough people would use it to be a strain, and also argue that it effects so many people that they're obliged to do something for it.

"I gave away my stuff because real life circumstances didn't allow me to lay LOTRO any more. It was only 6 months later that I returned and started on Evernight." -Incongruity. The OP worded it as though it was specifically the Amsterdam move announcement that led you to pack up and start on a new server.

"It was not my fault this happened. It is 100% Turbine's fault." - You had to leave the game for your own RL reasons. You decided to give away all of your things as a result. You came back six months later, and say the Amsterdam news, and decided to restart on an EU server. You decided to power-pay your new characters to get them to speed quickly, so that you could grind marks. You insist that you cannot possibly go back to your old character, even though they're sitting right there waiting for you. All decision you made, personally, yourself, with no-one from Turbine forcing your hand in any way.

"I didn't know about any such rules." -You should have. It's part of the rules you agreed to when you signed up. In agreeing to them you accepted responsibility for keeping them. Willful ignorance doesn't absolve you of that responsibility.

"I didn't demand anything. I asked for a comment." - You asked for special treatment and for a dedicated fix to be made, for you, for your own poor decisions and incautious choices. When you were told that such couldn't be done, you did not take it graciously, at all.

"I am asking for a simple thing." -No, you aren't.

"From here on out it's a matter of whether the players mean anything at all to them or not." -Empty hyperbole.

"I have said countless times I love this game. ... As it stands now, being met with complete rejection upfront, I will have no remorse leaving and not looking back. This battle is lost." -Incongruity. It doesn't actually sound like you care for the game as much as you say. You don't seem interested in going back to play with your friends and enjoy the game itself, and instead chose, upon your return, to auto-level somewhere new, so that you could spend all your in-game time grinding a single instance for marks. No remorse, despite talking in the first post about how much you miss your friends and kin-mates and how dearly you want to go back and play with them.


In short, they've behaved, in this thread, like a spoiled brat of a child who is incapable of taking responsibility for their own decisions, and in general acts in highly hypocritical way. I'd also note the hypocrisy of accusing myself and others of making assumptions about them when most comments were drawn entirely from exactly the things they'd already said... while they themself make galloping great assumptions about how easy the request they are making must surely be, and how little time it must surely take...

If they'd simply owned their own choices and asked for help, I'm quite sure they'd have found a good deal more sympathy, and possibly even offers of help from those located on their kin-mate's server... the forums might be largely toxic these days, but the in-game community is still very generous and helpful for the most part.

[The_Jagannath]

... Anyway, I'm done with this company and this game. Turbine can consider my request canceled.

Good news guys. He cancelled his request only AFTER Turbine already shut him down. GG. Well I guess this is the last we'll be hearing from this clown. Of course we've heard this sort of thing before...

R.I.P. Octavaine. I am so sorry that I didn't show you respect and consideration in many of my posts because of our differences. I didn't know about your healt issues.

This I will do in your honour, Octavaine: I will never post to these forums again. Every time I think of it, I will remember the wrong I did to you.

[maartena]

There is only one reason this hasn't happened - Turbine don't want it to.

And why do you think they wouldn't WANT EU-US transfers to be possible?

[Thorsock]

Player decides to quit LOTRO for "real life" reasons.
Player decides (as part of Player's farewell to LOTRO) to "give away" all of Player's swag to friends.
Player leaves LOTRO.
Stuff happens.
Player decides to return to LOTRO.
Player decides not to rejoin friends on Gladden, but instead starts over on Evernight in anticipation of better ping.
Player acquires massive pretend wealth on Evernight.
Player does not get the better ping on Evernight.
Player decides to return to Gladden. You know ... 'cause that's where Player's friends are.
Player decides LOTRO is on the hook for transporting all of Player's Evernight wealth to Gladden.
Frelorn explains why LOTRO won't do what Player wants.
Player stamps foot once or twice before riding off into the sunset.
Fade to black.


Sorry, this story needs a love interest before we can approve a shooting schedule. A love interest ... and maybe a dog. Also, the Third Act is weak. The villain ... this "Frelorn" character ... never gets his comeuppance. The audience wants to see comeuppances. And maybe a dog.

Honestly, Turbine's handling of OP's demand will have no effect whatsoever on my opinion of whether Turbine cares about players.