[Vyvyanne] Server Move Question I would like a comment on from the EP

[maartena]

what about half a day of coding a currency transfer tool

If it was that easy, they probably would have done it a long time ago and rake in the money by making it a paid service.

[maartena]

Vyvyanne,

I gave away all my belongings and currencies. I regret my decision very much and now that Amsterdam is not happening, all the more so. Transfers between EU and NA are not possible. Instead, would it be possible for a kind GM to remove my 6 major currencies (gold, marks, medallions, seals, stars of merit, shards) on Evernight and give them back to me on Gladden.

One MAJOR issue I see about this post: The ONLY thing you could have given away is gold. All the other above mentioned currency CANNOT be transferred to other accounts, they are account bound and can only be used by you. Besides GOLD, (which is very easy to make) you could not have GIVEN them away at all, and any that you earned on Gladden, will still be on Gladden today.

What you want is not to get back your "given away" currency, you just want to fatten your Gladden wallet with what you made on Evernight.

[Macdui]

One MAJOR issue I see about this post: The ONLY thing you could have given away is gold. All the other above mentioned currency CANNOT be transferred to other accounts, they are account bound and can only be used by you. Besides GOLD, (which is very easy to make) you could not have GIVEN them away at all, and any that you earned on Gladden, will still be on Gladden today.

What you want is not to get back your "given away" currency, you just want to fatten your Gladden wallet with what you made on Evernight.

You could buy a whole load of stuff with currency and give that away. Give away mats, crafting shards, burn your bridges to embrace the EU server... no I wouldn't myself but.

[Feraxks]

I gave away my stuff because real life circumstances didn't allow me to lay LOTRO any more. It was only 6 months later that I returned and started on Evernight. However, it has very little to do with the stuff I gave away. It has everything to do with imbued LIs.



It was not my fault this happened. It is 100% Turbine's fault. This single sentence is the rudest and most inconsiderate response I've ever received on these forums.

The entitlement inherent in this statement is mind boggling.

[DiogoVP]

If there is no data conflict on moving those currencies between EU and US servers, then it should just be allowed for everyone, instead of making a GM assistance necessary in every case.

[Laerien]

They can't do this for everyone who request it which -in theory- can be many (both ways). Even if they implemented it as a paid service.

[Macdui]

They can't do this for everyone who request it which -in theory- can be many (both ways). Even if they implemented it as a paid service.

Just the admission that many would want this service is a measure of how many were misled, and continued to be misled when the EU datacentre idea got dropped last year.

[Gandie2]

What is astradam? Why did it make you do something stupid? Are these two servers you are talking about EU and not EU because if they are why would you make a new toon on a non EU server and then expect turbine to move your gold and marks to a EU server.

If the servers are both EU you can just transfer them yourself.

I play on a US server. But for a lark I made some toons on a EU server. I don't expect turbine to help me move my gold and marks from one to another.

Its a game. If you enjoyed your new toons on a new server, great. If you now want to go back and play your old toons, on your old server, or move them to a new server do so.

[Arnenna]

You could buy a whole load of stuff with currency and give that away. Give away mats, crafting shards, burn your bridges to embrace the EU server... no I wouldn't myself but.

I don't understand the giving things away thing.

If I were transferring anywhere, or even if I were leaving the game for another game, I would leave everything on my account intact. People change their minds all the time, and giveaways like that just don't seem feasible for most players.

[maartena]

It was not my fault this happened. It is 100% Turbine's fault. This single sentence is the rudest and most inconsiderate response I've ever received on these forums.

No, it is 100% YOUR fault. When I quit playing, I am not giving anything away.... I don't know what I am going to do after all, I have no idea what companies decide, and I may come back to the game for instance.

The minute YOU start giving stuff away, it is 100% your responsibility. Don't put the blame on Turbine because they made a change in their plans regarding a server move.

And again, although you could have spent your marks and medallions on things, and then spread the love around with those things, but you could not have given away ANY of that currency, except for your gold. It's account bound stuff.

And now you are pissed off that they aren't going to move your server, and you just want all the currency you made on Evernight to fatten your Gladden wallet. Well, Frelorn has already answered so its a moot point, but it's completely wrong to blame Turbine for your give-away-frenzy.

That's like saying: "I am going to give away all the money in my savings account NOW because my employer said I am going to get a fat bonus next week". - And then 3 days later you get laid off....

Lesson you learned here: Don't give away anything before you have what you want firmly in your hands.

[EB64]

I gave away my stuff because real life circumstances didn't allow me to lay LOTRO any more. It was only 6 months later that I returned and started on Evernight. However, it has very little to do with the stuff I gave away. It has everything to do with imbued LIs.

I had quit playing back in 2012 when some very unpleasant things happened in my life.
I didn't go and give everything away, and came back last year.

You said you gave everything away because of real life circumstances, yet you also claim it was because of the server move announcement(which, BTW, they haven't officially commented one way or another).
You come back after 6 months and decide you want your former stuff back(essentially)?

It was not my fault this happened. It is 100% Turbine's fault. This single sentence is the rudest and most inconsiderate response I've ever received on these forums.

No. Turbine is NOT at fault in any way, shape, or form.
Turbine didn't make you give away your stuff, you made that decision on your own.
Turbine didn't make you start over on Evernight instead of returning to your old server or Gladden, you did.
Suck it up and deal with your mistake like an adult instead of pointing your finger at Turbine and throwing a tantrum about it.

And to the idiots who seem to think it would only take 10 min to transfer his data from EU to US as well as fix any conflicting coding...
If it only took a very short amount of time, they'd have sold that service LONG ago.
More than likely, it'd take a GM hours to find and correct every conflict. After all, they'd have to compare every single item in a person's inventory/wardrobe/vault/house/wallet for conflicts and correct them manually.

[Coeprandua]

Bit like who killed the Witch King. Was it Merry or Eowyn. Merry dealt the mortal wound but Eowyn made the final blow. Which EP will be Eowyn.

The way I see it, it's those who called off Amsterdam are who killed the game. Or misfortune killed the game if they had no choice. The EP's job is to mitigate the issue by whatever means they can. I am asking for a simple thing. From here on out it's a matter of whether the players mean anything at all to them or not.

I have said countless times I love this game. I've been very very harsh on Turbine because I love this game. I've supported Turbine with much more money than I've spent on all other games combined in my entire life, because I wanted to view them as well-meaning people doing the best they can to hold the game up. I've been asking for certain improvements that would allow me and other players to continue supporting Turbine, because I wanted the game to live forever. I still want to come back for u18 because... you get the picture.

As it stands now, being met with complete rejection upfront, I will have no remorse leaving and not looking back. This battle is lost.

[Pdt_the_Confused]

I considered your original post to be well thought out and considered, seemed heartfelt and to be missing your close friends, and quite reasonable to request. Regardless of the chances it would get the answer you wanted. (Which, due to "opening the floodgates" as also stated by Frelorn, I suspected would be a no.)

However, (IMO, not that it matters) this post just doomed your request altogether. You gave away your stuff because you had to quit?!? Not due to you transferring as you have suggested previously?

I gave away my stuff because real life circumstances didn't allow me to lay LOTRO any more. It was only 6 months later that I returned and started on Evernight. However, it has very little to do with the stuff I gave away. It has everything to do with imbued LIs.



It was not my fault this happened. It is 100% Turbine's fault. This single sentence is the rudest and most inconsiderate response I've ever received on these forums.

As to the fault.. They did not sell or trade off your items. There are people who play on multiple servers, some even EU/NA. You acted rashly before thinking about the consequences of your own actions done by your hand at your own direction. You could have played on both even. And even waited for some possible future time which would enable inter-server transfers between EU and NA...

But again, your post above makes it seem more likely that you sold your stuff cause you couldn't play anymore and never expected to come back. Then when you were able to return 6 months later, you created characters on EU servers in anticipation of the move, and now regret your own PRIOR actions done by your own choice.

[thinx]

The fault of the OP was not the rash action of selling the stuff, but the blind trust in Turbine that caused this action.

We can then discuss if it is a good sign that, in the last consequence, we bash people for trusting Turbine.

[EB64]

The fault of the OP was not the rash action of selling the stuff, but the blind trust in Turbine that caused this action.

I gave away my stuff because real life circumstances didn't allow me to lay LOTRO any more. It was only 6 months later that I returned and started on Evernight.

I gave away my stuff because real life circumstances didn't allow me to lay LOTRO any more.

real life circumstances

Yea.
Nothing to do with trusting Turbine.
OP made a dumb decision, and now wants special treatment to compensate for it.

We can then discuss if it is a good sign that, in the last consequence, we bash people for trusting Turbine.

People getting bashed for supporting Turbine is nothing new.
I'm surprised nobody has come in and called me and the others against the OP "fanboi" because we don't spend all day bashing Turbine.

[BangoTwinkletoes]

I'm surprised nobody has come in and called me and the others against the OP "fanboi" because we don't spend all day bashing Turbine.

You fanboi you...

[maartena]

The way I see it, it's those who called off Amsterdam are who killed the game.

While that may or may not be true, you are still 100% responsible for your own actions with regards to your possessions and currency.

As it stands now, being met with complete rejection upfront, I will have no remorse leaving and not looking back. This battle is lost.

You can't expect Turbine to fix what you yourself messed up. You gave away all your stuff because of personal reasons, and now you expect Turbine to repay you because you messed up?

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for this. As they say, don't let the door hit you on the way out.....

[maartena]

I'm surprised nobody has come in and called me and the others against the OP "fanboi" because we don't spend all day bashing Turbine.

On this forum, there are only two boxes. You either stand in the "Turbine is evil" box, or the "Turbine is good" box. It's almost like the American politics system, you are either with us or against us, you are either a blue voter or a red voter.

On this forum, when you agree with Turbine on anything, you are immediately seen as a fanboy, an apologist, a Turbine defender.

Good thing I can actually think outside those boxes

[BangoTwinkletoes]

Good thing I can actually think outside those boxes

You may think that...

[mykidstjz]

Bit like who killed the Witch King. Was it Merry or Eowyn. Merry dealt the mortal wound but Eowyn made the final blow. Which EP will be Eowyn.

LOL! I like this .

[Coeprandua]

Yea.
Nothing to do with trusting Turbine.
OP made a dumb decision, and now wants special treatment to compensate for it.


People getting bashed for supporting Turbine is nothing new.
I'm surprised nobody has come in and called me and the others against the OP "fanboi" because we don't spend all day bashing Turbine.

The trusting Turbine part occured when I came back after a break and instead of going back to NA, I started anew on EU.
I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this, it's not about giving away some essences, it's all about marks and the insane grind that is iLI.

Anyway, I'm done with this company and this game. Turbine can consider my request canceled.

[thinx]

Yea. Nothing to do with trusting Turbine.

when I started over on Evernight over a year ago, due to the announcement that new and improved hardware would be deployed in Amsterdam, promising much better performance
for EU players.

According to the OP the new server was chosen for ping reasons due to the announcement of Turbine. This sounds reasonable, but is of course unproven (we cannot read the mind of the op).
Now the OP is requesting to get back the effort spent on the new server when going back to DD (as the original reason for EN is invalid by now).
We can see that the OPs ingame existence was given up by free will at the first time. Now the OP chose to build it up for the second time, on a server chosen for ping reasons.
Now these reasons are invalid, resulting in buildup #3 (partial, as chars are still there).
The issue of discussion is therefore not if the OP should get #1 back, but that #3 is unnecessary and was caused by revocation of the EU move announcement.
This is totally independent of the question if giving up existence #1 was a bad idea or not. I wouldn't have done it.

The same is by the way true for people that chose to switch servers because of the Amsterdam announcement (in both directions). Also their restart was in vain, although in their case it was just the second one. Now they can go back to their original servers (with their old belongings) but everything they have on the new servers is unusable for them. Of course people with many chars on many servers will think different - but this is just one point of view.

It is totally clear to me Turbine will not open this can of transfer worms, a manual transfer is simply too much effort. Still one could maybe think if it would be possible to create a transfer similar to the one the OP requested on an automated basis. A limited set of currency only.

[Bohdb]

And how do you know this about 1000s of people, exactly?

Well how about I can get you 7. Myself and 6 kinmates have toons on Laurelin. We played on Snowy and had many issues with the server. We did not know what the server difference was when we set up there and have now moved to NA servers. I have thousands of gold, items, marks, mithral and so on in a place I cannot get to the toons I play on. Most of my kin are the same. I would love to free those toons and pull them and their resources to one of the servers I play on. One day I dropped a Gold Hobbit of 200 Mithral coins that would be great to use. And we are one kin. If they open the flood gate to you ANYONE else who feels they want their goodies will want them too. I have 15 toons there. Think about that.

You gave away your stuff, I let my sit and moved when I had a chance. I got a house and set up the kin that sits. You have 3 years on me it seems but now play other games while I play daily on 4 NA servers. Neither story gives either of us more right to get our stuff. As a person who has moved from server to server just rebuild. Yes it takes time and can be done but getting mad at others for what you have admitted to is on you. If you have been here for 9 years then you should have known to wait until it happened before acting.

[Pfeifenkraut]

The trusting Turbine part occured when I came back after a break and instead of going back to NA, I started anew on EU.
I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this, it's not about giving away some essences, it's all about marks and the insane grind that is iLI.

Anyway, I'm done with this company and this game. Turbine can consider my request canceled.

A lot of players have played on multiple servers, for a lot of reasons. A lot of players have ended up regretting the decision to switch to another server, for a lot of reasons. A lot of players are unable to consolidate their stuff because of being split between EU and US.

The lack of a datacenter move is definitely a reason why you are unhappy with your decision, but it is not a reason why you deserve special compensation for your regret over your playtime. Other examples of reasons why people are unhappy with their decision to reroll on another server include moving for the community (but then server moves changed the community), moving for PvP because Osgiliath was about to come out (and then nobody on the new server cared and PvP ended up being less fun on the new server), rerolling on Laurelin to avoid stupid character names (and then the naming policy got suspended for a few months), etc. None of those people deserve special compensation either. You still got to play the game during all that time that you regret.

It sucks when anyone is unhappy with the result of their choices, but it's just part of what happens in all these games. The only guarantees that any MMO company makes is that they will give you a game to play (if you pay for it) and that it will change over time (hopefully you like it). Turbine has had some difficulty lately in the "give you a game to play" department, and being upset over that is perfectly understandable.

You post on these forums a lot, and with a lot of emotion, even though you haven't been playing. Seeing as how it's a source of frustration for you, the healthiest thing would be if you really could move on. But I rather expect you'll keep posting.

[EB64]

The trusting Turbine part occured when I came back after a break and instead of going back to NA, I started anew on EU.
I'm not sure how many times I have to repeat this, it's not about giving away some essences, it's all about marks and the insane grind that is iLI.

Anyway, I'm done with this company and this game. Turbine can consider my request canceled.

So you're quitting the game because Turbine isn't treating YOU special and doing something they don't do at all?

Again, your Marks/Medallions on DD should still be there, unless you spent them all before you went and stupidly gave all your stuff away(and, I assume, deleted your characters?).

Nobody else gets to do what you are asking, so quit acting as if you're some kind of victim here.
Is the lag so bad for you on EN that you just cannot play? If so, have you checked to see if it's any better on Gladden?
Seems you've been playing on EN for awhile, so why the big fuss about moving back to DD now?

Still pointing out that they haven't officially announced that the Amsterdam move is completely off the tables, BTW.
When/if they straighten out the server issues, I'd wager they'll make a formal announcement one way or another.