Minstel does not heal!!!!

[Yaroslav_89]

Update u22.2 can not heal now. Previously, he could quietly heal in COS and in other Instances. In quays of harlond 115 t2 troll inflicts damage 60,000-260,000 damage.How can I heal the guards and other members fellowship? In COS first boss inflicts injury which deals 160k damage???!?!?!?! And the ruined city and other inst???? how can I heal?I have it dressed for a maximum?????!!!There is now no healer in the game?:!!?!

[Despotis]

Every source of damage you stated is preventable. I m not sure what you are expecting from making a thread like this.

[Kasius]

Update u22.2 can not heal now. Previously, he could quietly heal in COS and in other Instances. In quays of harlond 115 t2 troll inflicts damage 60,000-260,000 damage.How can I heal the guards and other members fellowship? In COS first boss inflicts injury which deals 160k damage???!?!?!?! And the ruined city and other inst???? how can I heal?I have it dressed for a maximum?????!!!There is now no healer in the game?:!!?!

If people can heal the raid on t2c easy mini can’t be that bad.
https://youtu.be/DJex5u3ryXc

Everything else is even more easy.

[Yaroslav_89]

If people can heal the raid on t2c easy mini can’t be that bad.
https://youtu.be/DJex5u3ryXc

Everything else is even more easy.

But can you show a branch of blue-heal talents??

[Kasius]

But can you show a branch of blue-heal talents??

Do you want to tell me that what he is doing is something special?

[Yaroslav_89]

Do you want to tell me that what he is doing is something special?

I'm interested in arranging talents

[siipperi]

But can you show a branch of blue-heal talents??

It really haven't changed much. You have 2 options either deep into red for anthem of war or deep into yellow for outgoing healing, RtS HoT etc. Considering anthem duration now going deep into red is significantly worse option. Only thing that really changes is you can't anymore just target yourself and keep your group alive. You just need to change from target to target to heal them if they drop really low. Just like... Wait for it.... Any iteration of minstrel before helms deep....

Only problem on minstrel is our dev didn't listen feedback of people like me who very early on, weeks ago or has it been already so long we can speak of months?, said certain less used skills have way too low magnitude on them. Inspire fellows, raise the spirit, fellowships heart, coda.

[Yaroslav_89]

Do you want to tell me that what he is doing is something special?

and in your raid, normal damage from rune keepers?

[Kasius]

If you want something from someone could you please ask questions in a way we understand them?

[Yaroslav_89]

If you want something from someone could you please ask questions in a way we understand them?

How your mini has invested talent points?

[Kasius]

Nothin special:
Important stuff from blue+yellow stuff.

[CaerArianrhod]

If people can heal the raid on t2c easy mini can’t be that bad.
https://youtu.be/DJex5u3ryXc

Everything else is even more easy.

So you are basically saying nothing else that a fully geared raid - that considers itself as the best raiding kinship in LOTRO - still can do Sagrog in 3 min.
This is of course nice for you, but this is also the reason why the devs should filter half of everything out, what you ask for.
And if the T2 is still too easy for you: just do it with 6 ppl instead of 12. You could create your own challenge ...but that is not really what ppl like you want, right?

Only problem on minstrel is our dev didn't listen feedback of people like me who very early on, weeks ago or has it been already so long we can speak of months?, said certain less used skills have way too low magnitude on them. Inspire fellows, raise the spirit, fellowships heart, coda.

I told you ages ago: don't ask for nerf.

[siipperi]

So you are basically saying nothing else that a fully geared raid - that considers itself as the best raiding kinship in LOTRO - still can do Sagrog in 3 min.
This is of course nice for you, but this is also the reason why the devs should filter half of everything out, what you ask for.
And if the T2 is still too easy for you: just do it with 6 ppl instead of 12. You could create your own challenge ...but that is not really what ppl like you want, right?

Well it's after all hardest raid in the game so is it really too much to think being geared in such raid is too much to ask? I still use purple gear and will plan to do so. Makes no difference to my performance as long as they keep mastery irrelevant for healing.

[KiwiCommander]

get gud

[Kasius]

So you are basically saying nothing else that a fully geared raid - that considers itself as the best raiding kinship in LOTRO - still can do Sagrog in 3 min.
This is of course nice for you, but this is also the reason why the devs should filter half of everything out, what you ask for.
And if the T2 is still too easy for you: just do it with 6 ppl instead of 12. You could create your own challenge ...but that is not really what ppl like you want, right?

I am sorry but you are wrong:neither this is a full geared raid(some people played undergeared alts aswell some people weren’t even in our kin(like the mini).
Maybe 4 main players in that video?
Neither anyone considers us as the best raiding kin in this game.

If you look at your YouTube channel you see yourself that we set challenges from for us.(speedruns,6manning t2c).
Don’t write nonsense before you do at least a little bit of research...

The fact that we did with a grp full of alts,people outside the kin and classes who aren’t even tested after the changes :ALL 3 Bosses first try shows that its not harder or even impossible.
I am sure 80% of the kins who did the raid on t2c before the update still can easy do it.
You MAYBE have to think a little bit more.You MAYBE can’t zerg everything brainless anymore(with 1 mini).And maybe you have to adjust your strat a little bit.
I don’t see how that is anything bad tho.

If there are really kins who did the raid on t2c easy before and are wiping over and over now(what I doubt):Then they shouldn’t do t2c at that point.
Do t1 till you are ready for t2 and do t2 till you are ready for t2c.
Improvement comes over time.
I don’t see why casuals should do t2c easy(as some did before the update just because brainless minis could go afk and spam bolster)!

[CaerArianrhod]

Well it's after all hardest raid in the game so is it really too much to think being geared in such raid is too much to ask? I still use purple gear and will plan to do so. Makes no difference to my performance as long as they keep mastery irrelevant for healing.

No, it is not too much to ask for.
But coming here showing a video of a raid, where every one has the raid set and where all the players got their gear prior U22.2 (the raid set, the dps/healing relics etc.) and saying "everything is sooo easy", is just an utterly disgusting trolling act.

[Kasius]

No, it is not too much to ask for.
But coming here showing a video of a raid, where every one has the raid set and where all the players got their gear prior U22.2 (the raid set, the dps/healing relics etc.) and saying "everything is sooo easy", is just an utterly disgusting trolling act.

No it’s not you simply fail to read what I posted.
It feels you are the one trolling.

[siipperi]

No, it is not too much to ask for.
But coming here showing a video of a raid, where every one has the raid set and where all the players got their gear prior U22.2 (the raid set, the dps/healing relics etc.) and saying "everything is sooo easy", is just an utterly disgusting trolling act.

Well we do have access to better gear than on raid release. Gold essences are such insane increase to base stats of characters. While RKs lose a bit damage hunters have gained some afaik and boss like sagrog should be really easy now if you have champ/guardian as DPS in there...

[CaerArianrhod]

Neither anyone considers us as the best raiding kin in this game.

This one sounds different to me:

You are joking right? I wouldnt be on the forums if I didn't raid. Maybe read people's signature for once and have some info about the few raiding kins, who are still out there.

You MAYBE have to think a little bit more.

Good advice!
Would you fallow your own advice too please?

You MAYBE can’t zerg everything brainless anymore(with 1 mini).And maybe you have to adjust your strat a little bit.
I don’t see how that is anything bad tho.

This is not about "zerg everything brainless", it is about how ppl should do the raid with the new mini . You say i should think more: then think you more too! You can do T1 forever, you will not get any! gear that would help you for T2. Doing T1 is only relevant to see some/half of the mechanics of the raid, after that you can forgot about T1. It is irrelevant.
See the OP, he (or she) is obviously desperate about the changes, now you are telling him "L2P, because everything is still so easy". Of course, that's a well considered and helpful answer, isn't it?

[Harigrim]

Our full clear of the Abyss of Mordath T2c raid from yesterday proves otherwise.

Minstrel does heal, what doesn't heal as much anymore is bolster. You actually need to use other skills as well, theres alot of combination for big heals which are still valid. read your skills and practice to adapt to the changes! Not because right now you personally can't heal as before anymore doesn't mean there is something wrong with the class. Minstrel did get nerfed a bit, but not even close to the point where it wouldn't be a valid healer anymore.

I suggest you thoroughly read the changes, talk with other minstrels and try to adapt and improve … practice is key!


P.S.: Drizzels is using proper english, enjoy it!

[Norana]

Dont take these posts from these Odyssey guys too serious.

They all got the best gear available with the best relics etc. No new minstrel with non optimal gear is going to heal the raid

[Kasius]

This one sounds different to me:





Good advice!
Would you fallow your own advice too please?



This is not about "zerg everything brainless", it is about how ppl should do the raid with the new mini . You say i should think more: then think you more too! You can do T1 forever, you will not get any! gear that would help you for T2. Doing T1 is only relevant to see some/half of the mechanics of the raid, after that you can forgot about T1. It is irrelevant.
See the OP, he (or she) is obviously desperate about the changes, now you are telling him "L2P, because everything is still so easy". Of course, that's a well considered and helpful answer, isn't it?

I still don’t see any fair points you are making.
The video I posted shows nothing else then what is easy doable.
Neither it’s a perfect raid grp neither there are only mains and neither it’s is kin only.
What you wrote is simply wrong(and quite biased).Did you even tested the raid on t2c yourself after the update?
Or is this just rndm qq from someone who is not even raiding t2c?

[Kasius]

Dont take these posts from these Odyssey guys too serious.

They all got the best gear available with the best relics etc. No new minstrel with non optimal gear is going to heal the raid

That is wrong aswell.
If you would know us a little bit you would know that the people in that video aren’t good geared!
For mini gear doesn’t matter even more then for other classes.

Get 1 heal relic from seregost and you can easy heal the raid.

[Andhfara]

I honestly had to smile a bit about the QQ 'Minstrel does not heal'.
I was the other minstrel yesterday in the Abyss of Mordath full clear t2c, I agree that minstrell HPS is not that much anymore as it was before. it is 1/2 - 2/3 less than it was before but it is still possible.
We did boss 1 second try, boss 2 1st try and also last boss 1st try. Not all raiders on their mains.
As healer you can't go brainlessly afk and just spam bolster anymore. Which is, at least in my opinion, a good thing they did. Minstrel is still a quiet strong healer. You just have to try a few things out and adapt to the new situation. Don't whine one day after the changes already and say 'Minstrel does not heal'.
Since some thinking while playing the class has sort of being removed, by giving the anthems such a long duration, it is nice that you have now to think a bit about what skills you use in which combination to do it right. And to keep people up.
Try a few things, like other people do. If you have all traitpoints you can actually get some nice builds going. Trait in blue - line blue and yellow. Or if you want the anthem of war trait blue and red.
I am pretty sure there is a way for everyone to trait and get used to the changes.
Practicing does the deal.
I healed the raid on one of my alt - minstrels with one rare rune from CoS only. It was before the changes but it was doable.

As Drizzels said, if you are not ready for t2 keep it with t1 for now and improve. Do some talking to other main - minis. Ask them what gear they use, legacies, maybe ask them even about their heal rotation.

See the OP, he (or she) is obviously desperate about the changes, now you are telling him "L2P, because everything is still so easy". Of course, that's a well considered and helpful answer, isn't it?

I don't think that it is L2P, but it was an easy class. Since the mini was very strong you could just stand there and spam basically cry of the chorus, anthem of war, anthem of the third age, bolster - bolster - bolster. Many people who might not be a main - mini or not for a long time in the game, might not have learned how to play otherwise.
They might even have gotten the advice: just spam bolster and you will be fine.
That is over now and it might take a bit time to sort of relearn the class. If they are really interested and they like the mini I am sure, they will be able to adjust to the new situation and relearn it. Just don't give up, try different things. Keep trying and maybe also get faster reactions. Since the mini is a reactive healer.
Good luck for you anyway out there. Don't be disapointed. See the positive thing it might keep you going and gives you something to do. There is always room for improvement. Also for raiders.

[MafiaMike2]

RIP mini healers. I doubt very many people are going to take the time to learn to heal as a mini in groups. At least with a one button heal it was easy to find healers for group stuff. Now.... only time will tell. But in reality mini's are a tough class to play if you are going play both blue and red. Two different sets of gear, two different trait tree setups, two different set of buttons to memorize, and whatever else. Especially if you like playing alts as well. It becomes a full time job. For now I'm just gonna sit back and wait for people to start complaining about not being able to find healers anymore.