Quote Originally Posted by OrcSmiter View Post
DN isn't particularly difficult for any static (kin) group, it's just difficult for pugs. I can't imagine they could make this more doable for pugs without nerfing Flagit to the point of facerolling. In other words this would be bringing it back to what it was like before the update - where morale was so low that any pug could blow through the bosses ignoring mechanics. I can't imagine anyone truly wants to go back to that.

As far as it taking 2-3 hours, I just don't get it. We typically take an hour to go through it in a group of six, the last couple times we 5-manned the first two or three bosses and still finished in about an hour. That's not to say every group out there is going to do the same, but a full raid of reasonably competent players should be taking no more than 40-60 minutes.

If you find it too hard to pug, which is pretty understandable since it seems like the majority do fail, join a kin that runs it successfully. The one I'm in isn't the only one on the server that does it, there are plenty to choose from. Or form a static group.

But regardless, please don't complain about it being too hard - it's not. It's not even particularly challenging content, and really, some of us would like to see the difficulty ramped up significantly.

Not everyone farmed the watcher back when it was easy. Most of the Avg pug players don't have their head or shoulders to the moria set yet a lone a first age weapon. Things may not be so hard to you or your kin but it is for some. Most players took their time getting to moria to enjoy the content. We didn't rush a head to take advantage of weaker raids instance to get better and strong gear just so we can we above the current game difficult and act like we are elitist . This past week i ran the turtle with others that still only had third age weapons. But regardless, please don't act that it's too easy for everyone- it's not.