Hidden Nuggets we see all the time...

[Adder]

Accualy I believe there is, in the chapter, Many Partings, about a page before the "Road goes ever on" song, where Bilbo is giving gifts to the 4 hobbits, you can find this quote.

To Sam he gave a little bag of gold. 'Almost the last drop of the Smaug vintage,' he said. 'May come in useful, if you think of getting married, Sam.' Sam blushed.

Don't know if this helps, first time posting about lore

(Edit)

I stand corrected. I had forgotten that little tidbit, but still I will argue one small point. Bilbo gave Sam a bag of gold which he refers to as of the Smaug vintage. First, Bilbo was given two chests from the treasure of Lonely Mountain from the one-fourteenth share given to Bard. Of those two chests, one was filled with gold, the other with silver. Secondly, as noted, he refered to it as the Smaug vintage. He makes no reference to the golblin gold of Bert, Tom, and William, hidden 'not far from the track by the river'. That gold (described as pots full of gold coins), which he split with Gandalf, was not unsubstantial, since once loaded onto the ponies, Bilbo and Gandalf had to walk the rest of the distance home.

I submit, still, that a fair amount of that treasure could, indeed, have been left hidden at Bag End.

[ilikeham49]

i think it would be fun if we could go and look for the treasure and witht eh ledendary wep system we could use one of the treasure peices as a relic for our wepons

[Isilmacil]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this before(not bothering looking through 80 pages to see if it has), but in the Shire, there is this little hobbit in i believe budgeford, who at night shows up in a pigsty dressed as a black rider? It amuses me that he's making something as serious as the black riders comical, by such comments as, "These sties are mine!"

In fact, i think i have a screenie of him...yes i do.

[koifishkid]

I don't know if anyone has noticed this before(not bothering looking through 80 pages to see if it has), but in the Shire, there is this little hobbit in i believe budgeford, who at night shows up in a pigsty dressed as a black rider? It amuses me that he's making something as serious as the black riders comical, by such comments as, "These sties are mine!"

In fact, i think i have a screenie of him...yes i do.

There is a Shire quest that involves this guy. Pretty fun actually.

[she-elf]

I stand corrected. I had forgotten that little tidbit, but still I will argue one small point. Bilbo gave Sam a bag of gold which he refers to as of the Smaug vintage. First, Bilbo was given two chests from the treasure of Lonely Mountain from the one-fourteenth share given to Bard. Of those two chests, one was filled with gold, the other with silver. Secondly, as noted, he refered to it as the Smaug vintage. He makes no reference to the golblin gold of Bert, Tom, and William, hidden 'not far from the track by the river'. That gold (described as pots full of gold coins), which he split with Gandalf, was not unsubstantial, since once loaded onto the ponies, Bilbo and Gandalf had to walk the rest of the distance home.

I submit, still, that a fair amount of that treasure could, indeed, have been left hidden at Bag End.

I don't think any of the troll treasure could be left, as when the Hobbits & Strider find the stone it was buried under, Merry asks Frodo how much is left of Bilbo's share & he replies, "'None at all', he said. 'Bilbo gave it all away. He said he did not feel it was really his, as it came from robbers.'" (Flight to the Ford, The Fellowship of the Ring)

Since Bilbo gave Sam "almost the last drop of the Smaug vintage," that treasure can't be left in Bag End.

However, Mr. Sandyman (Ted Sandyman's dad) points out that "Ah, but he [Bilbo] has likely enough been adding to what he brought at first," in response to the Gaffer saying that Bilbo didn't bring home enough gold to fill tunnels, only a couple of chests & some mighty big bags. So while the troll treasure & the Smaug treasure might be gone, there could still be some wealth hidden in Bag End, money made through Hobbit investments or maybe Bilbo's inheritance from his parents.

[Adder]

I don't think any of the troll treasure could be left, as when the Hobbits & Strider find the stone it was buried under, Merry asks Frodo how much is left of Bilbo's share & he replies, "'None at all', he said. 'Bilbo gave it all away. He said he did not feel it was really his, as it came from robbers.'" (Flight to the Ford, The Fellowship of the Ring)

Since Bilbo gave Sam "almost the last drop of the Smaug vintage," that treasure can't be left in Bag End.

However, Mr. Sandyman (Ted Sandyman's dad) points out that "Ah, but he [Bilbo] has likely enough been adding to what he brought at first," in response to the Gaffer saying that Bilbo didn't bring home enough gold to fill tunnels, only a couple of chests & some mighty big bags. So while the troll treasure & the Smaug treasure might be gone, there could still be some wealth hidden in Bag End, money made through Hobbit investments or maybe Bilbo's inheritance from his parents.

Heh! Heh! That's what I love about this community and LOTR fans and lore hounds in particular. I knew before I even posted that last one that someone would find another little tidbit. Thanks She-Elf. Again I stand corrected (this is becoming WAY to much of a habit!). And again, I will add one more 'but'... but that still leaves the chest of silver. I know I'm picking at semantics here, but the story does say he gave him a bag of gold and it being the last of the Smaug vintage. The silver is not mentioned (I hope! ). I just prefer to think that Bilbo left a mystery (a joke if you will since Bilbo loved jokes) behind in Bag End.

And your last statement is most likely true also.

I apologize for this hijack, but the discussion could lead to another 'hidden nugget' if we can persuade Berephon that there is not enough substantial proof that all of the treasure is gone.

[Arasilion]

I'm sorry, Adder, but Bilbo lost everything had in the recent credit crisis. Poor guy. That's also why he surrendered Bag End. Don't believe the "official" story.

[Sylux14]

probably another coincidence, but Grimgore (as Grimgor) is the name of an orc in the original Warhammer

[elvyen]

I love this thread Ive almost read the entire thing, but not quite, so im not entirely sure if someone has pointed this one out before.
But I am fascinated by it.
Southeast of Celondim, there is a little area named Nen Hilith. It's where you are sent early on to kill wolves, and to gather wood for wine casks.
One time, as I wandered in there on a random sight-seeing jaunt, which I love taking through Ered Luin, I saw someting on the distant mountainside.

It appears to be a walled fortress, or keep of some kind; way up high on the mountainside.

I am thoroughly intrigued by it.
Has anyone else seen it? and if so, do you know what it could be?

The rough map location...




and the view as you enter the glade:





closeup:




if i missed someone else posting this already, i am sorry.

any idea what it is? just decorative background scenery?

[Laire]

I haven't checked the last thirty pages or so, but I found a Mr. Bingo Bolger in Budgeford.

Frodo's original name before it was Frodo Baggins? You guessed it. It was Bingo Bolger-Baggins.

I totally cracked up when I saw that as I am going through the Shire quests on a new toon.

[Adder]

I love this thread Ive almost read the entire thing, but not quite, so im not entirely sure if someone has pointed this one out before.
But I am fascinated by it.
Southeast of Celondim, there is a little area named Nen Hilith. It's where you are sent early on to kill wolves, and to gather wood for wine casks.
One time, as I wandered in there on a random sight-seeing jaunt, which I love taking through Ered Luin, I saw someting on the distant mountainside.

It appears to be a walled fortress, or keep of some kind; way up high on the mountainside.

I am thoroughly intrigued by it.
Has anyone else seen it? and if so, do you know what it could be?

(EDIT)


if i missed someone else posting this already, i am sorry.

any idea what it is? just decorative background scenery?

It's been a LONG time since I've been up in there. I don't remember seeing that fortress on any of my first toons. At the time being, since it is far beyond the world borders, it is anybody's guess what it might be. It could be just window-dressing, or part of something for a planned expansion.

I haven't checked the last thirty pages or so, but I found a Mr. Bingo Bolger in Budgeford.

Frodo's original name before it was Frodo Baggins? You guessed it. It was Bingo Bolger-Baggins.

I totally cracked up when I saw that as I am going through the Shire quests on a new toon.

I KNEW that name sounded familiar! Good pickup there Laire.

[StevieK]

I love this thread Ive almost read the entire thing, but not quite, so im not entirely sure if someone has pointed this one out before.
But I am fascinated by it.
Southeast of Celondim, there is a little area named Nen Hilith. It's where you are sent early on to kill wolves, and to gather wood for wine casks.
One time, as I wandered in there on a random sight-seeing jaunt, which I love taking through Ered Luin, I saw someting on the distant mountainside.

It appears to be a walled fortress, or keep of some kind; way up high on the mountainside.

I am thoroughly intrigued by it.
Has anyone else seen it? and if so, do you know what it could be?

The rough map location...




and the view as you enter the glade:





closeup:




if i missed someone else posting this already, i am sorry.

any idea what it is? just decorative background scenery?

Very neat. It is visible on the Lorebook's Google map here. It even looks like there is a path that zig-zags up the mountain to reach it (of course I'm not suggesting that anyone try to get up there, as it is certainly outside the game boundaries).

[zender05472]

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=161947
this was posted on the postcard forums does anyone know where this and have u seen it?

[TheScyphozoa]

I haven't checked the last thirty pages or so, but I found a Mr. Bingo Bolger in Budgeford.

Frodo's original name before it was Frodo Baggins? You guessed it. It was Bingo Bolger-Baggins.

I totally cracked up when I saw that as I am going through the Shire quests on a new toon.

By "before" you mean "before Tolkien revised his writings", not "before he was adopted", right?

[Carysta]

I found a blue jay at Adso's camp today that I'd never noticed before. It was a 'bird' in the rafters of the building under construction across from Adso. Not a big nugget - but something new somewhere I wasn't expecting to not have seen something before

[premac]

I have a small question
I thought that only the Guards at the last gate in Minas Tirith were allowed to wear things with the white tree printed on it ....and still we have the cloaks in game....

[Arasilion]

I have a small question
I thought that only the Guards at the last gate in Minas Tirith were allowed to wear things with the white tree printed on it ....and still we have the cloaks in game....

Uh, I don't think the White Tree's symbol was strictly for the Tower Guard.

[Feanor23x]

Well, it's actually broader than just England. Forochel, for instance, is Finland, Rhûn is the Middle East, Harad is northern Africa; however, Khând, which is between them, is Slavic.

Digging up an old post, but the Slavic bit is the reason I named my Guardian Sarkaa..

[premac]

Uh, I don't think the White Tree's symbol was strictly for the Tower Guard.

In the book is like this :

"Upon the black surcoats were embroided in white a tree blossoming like snow beneath a silver crown and many pointed stars. This was the livery of the heirs of Elendil, and none wore it now in all Gondor save the Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain where the White Tree once had grown"

So that means that in Gondor we cannot wear those cloaks

[Drogo1]

So that means that in Gondor we cannot wear those cloaks

Nah - they'll just mistake you for a prince (See Merry & Pippin)

[Arasilion]

In the book is like this :

"Upon the black surcoats were embroided in white a tree blossoming like snow beneath a silver crown and many pointed stars. This was the livery of the heirs of Elendil, and none wore it now in all Gondor save the Guards of the Citadel before the Court of the Fountain where the White Tree once had grown"

So that means that in Gondor we cannot wear those cloaks

Well, Turbine has taken more severe lore liberties than this in the past. Wearing the symbol of the White Tree is hardly a drastic diversion to the canon.

But thanks for the quote.

[duvelmoortgat]

I found this nifty nugget which I am sure not many people noticed before;



That was in forochel, and the Mathom House have exactly same piece;



We fairly know where this sandcastle is, which is in Evendim the island south of Tyr Ruinen, and I don't have picture of it yet;





The snowman, I haven't found yet and I believe is in Thorin Hall? The slug is no brainer, from Rushock Bay.

[premac]

I have another small question for the lore-guys

Was Goblin Town ever inhabited by dwarves? because i saw some dwarvish wall desings in the game

[TheScyphozoa]

The probably did.

[Arasilion]

I have another small question for the lore-guys

Was Goblin Town ever inhabited by dwarves? because i saw some dwarvish wall desings in the game

Probably not. It was described as being basically a hole in the ground. Look no further than Moria to see how the Dwarves preferred to live.