Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

[Celestialdemons]

It is, but the g drops in compounds.

I see. Thanks for the response. It seems I'll have to re-create my minstrel. Good thing it was only level 6.

Although I'd like to know...what happens to the letter d at the end?

[Berephon]

I see. Thanks for the response. It seems I'll have to re-create my minstrel. Good thing it was only level 6.

Although I'd like to know...what happens to the letter d at the end?

Same thing. When beginning the final element of a compound, the g drops off. At the end of a final element in a compound -nd becomes -n (usually. There are examples, such as Elrond, Mithlond, etc., where it hangs around.)

[Celestialdemons]

Same thing. When beginning the final element of a compound, the g drops off. At the end of a final element in a compound -nd becomes -n (usually. There are examples, such as Elrond, Mithlond, etc., where it hangs around.)

Ah, thanks again for the response. Appreciated.

[cjrusnak]

I find this thread fascinating and I'm surprised I never discovered it before. It's nice to see many interested in taking the time to craft viable lore names. With that I had a few questions on my names.

Tanin - Dwarf. I tried to base it off of simple Dwarven names but I don't even know if it would even be a valid Dwarven name. There is so little data on Dwarven language compared to Silvan/Quenyan.

Haltred - funny I got this name through a Hobbit name generator. I wonder if could be a real Hobbit name.


Calendilmir - this was just me trying to take Elendilmir and use a different prefix. Does this even mean anything?

Saeladis - I think this is a variation of wise woman but that would more likely be Saelis? or Saeldis(taken). It sounds good at least.

[skorpion352]

Still no sticky on this? I lucked out and noticed this thread today! Thanks to whoever bumped it....and PLEASE STICKY!

that would be me, im sure it used to be stickied, or was in the hall of fame, but im not completely certian. thankfully i dont clean out my email folders that often and still had a thread update email for it from back in november as i didnt want to have to start a new one.

I find this thread fascinating and I'm surprised I never discovered it before. It's nice to see many interested in taking the time to craft viable lore names. With that I had a few questions on my names

the thread was previously eru knows how deep beneath 3 months worth of other threads or finding it manually would have been virtually impossible. thankfully i was able to use my hunter rez to brings it bakc

[Laire]

Calendilmir - this was just me trying to take Elendilmir and use a different prefix. Does this even mean anything?

Elendilmir, of course, means "Elendil-jewel", or jewel of Elendil.

Calen is 'green' in Sindarin, and while (n)dil is friend/lover in Quenya, I'm not sure if it stays that way in Sindarin (Elendil is a Quenya name). I think it does, but I'll let the experts speak up.

[skorpion352]

i am trying to contruct a suitable name to use for my hunters legendary sword but cant think of anything. i would like the name to have blade or sword in it, any ideas? (english and elvish translations please)

[Laire]

From Ardalambion, one of the best Tolkien language sites on the web in which they reconstruct quite a few words from Tolkien's Quenya into Sindarin, "sword" in Sindarin could be "megil" (from Q. macil) or "magol". "Lang" is 'cutlass', and a broadsword blade is 'hathel'.

The difficult part about Sindarin is that it's much more incomplete than Quenya, so quite a bit of reconstruction is done with it by modern Tolkien language experts (David Salo, with the LOTR films, did a good amount of this, so while it's not "canonical", persay, it follows the rules of the language).

Berephon is much more knowledgable with Tolkien's languages than I am, so hopefully he'll add his own input, or correct me completely XD

[Berephon]

Tanin - Dwarf. I tried to base it off of simple Dwarven names but I don't even know if it would even be a valid Dwarven name. There is so little data on Dwarven language compared to Silvan/Quenyan.

Dwarves actually use names taken from the North-men (Norse, specifically Old Gutnic).

Haltred - funny I got this name through a Hobbit name generator. I wonder if could be a real Hobbit name.

Stylistically it certainly works.

Calendilmir - this was just me trying to take Elendilmir and use a different prefix. Does this even mean anything?

Saeladis - I think this is a variation of wise woman but that would more likely be Saelis? or Saeldis(taken). It sounds good at least.

Calendilmir means Jewel of the Green Stopper (or Stuffing) (It should be noted that Elendil is not Sindarin, hence why dil does not = lover or friend here.)

Saeldis would be correct for Wise Woman, so as an alternative, Saeladis certainly works!

[Berephon]

From Ardalambion, one of the best Tolkien language sites on the web in which they reconstruct quite a few words from Tolkien's Quenya into Sindarin, "sword" in Sindarin could be "megil" (from Q. macil) or "magol". "Lang" is 'cutlass', and a broadsword blade is 'hathel'.

The difficult part about Sindarin is that it's much more incomplete than Quenya, so quite a bit of reconstruction is done with it by modern Tolkien language experts (David Salo, with the LOTR films, did a good amount of this, so while it's not "canonical", persay, it follows the rules of the language).

Berephon is much more knowledgable with Tolkien's languages than I am, so hopefully he'll add his own input, or correct me completely XD

In addition to the words above, there is also Crist (it means sword, as well as cleaver.)

[Pellegro]

My name (Pellegro) I made up to mean "Cheerful brisk danger".

Its a combination of peligroso (Spanish, "dangerous") and allegro (English musical term of art, "fast or brisk"; also Italian "cheerful").

Can you throw it all together into some kind of elven?

Thanks!

[TheOneRinger]

So I have a couple questions: Is it ok to mix quenya and sindarin (I believe Gil-Galad is a mixture)? And what is a good word for song, I read somewhere it was "Tuure" or something close to that, but I don't remember where or how reliable it was.

My main is a dwarf minstrel named Herunaug Auledil which I believe means, "Lord of Stone (also could be interpreted as dwarves, but as the "Naugrim" were the "People of Stone" I use stone), devoted to Aule"

Just wanted to be sure that was correct too.

[shoreless]

A little late, but great idea! As big a Tolkien geek as I am I would often get irritated with all the Elvish names for places. It just seemed very unnecessary and made it hard to remember locales or communicate them to other players ("I am at Ered...Nam....Echad...hold on..."). I appreciate them now and is one of the waning things that add to the 'Tolkien' feel of the game, though they are cumbersome names.

This guide totally helps and should be stickied.

[Berephon]

My name (Pellegro) I made up to mean "Cheerful brisk danger".

Its a combination of peligroso (Spanish, "dangerous") and allegro (English musical term of art, "fast or brisk"; also Italian "cheerful").

Can you throw it all together into some kind of elven?

Thanks!

Hehe. Delu (deadly), Avorn (fast), Meren (Jouyous)

Delumerenavor. Avorndelumeren. Ouch.

[Berephon]

So I have a couple questions: Is it ok to mix quenya and sindarin (I believe Gil-Galad is a mixture)? And what is a good word for song, I read somewhere it was "Tuure" or something close to that, but I don't remember where or how reliable it was.

My main is a dwarf minstrel named Herunaug Auledil which I believe means, "Lord of Stone (also could be interpreted as dwarves, but as the "Naugrim" were the "People of Stone" I use stone), devoted to Aule"

Just wanted to be sure that was correct too.

Gil-galad is Sindarin for Star-light. You can, of course, do whatever you wish ; however, I can't think of any mixed names in lore. In fact, the Elves were forbidden to use Quenya after the Noldor's shenanigans.

[Barruktp]

Gil-galad is Sindarin for Star-light. You can, of course, do whatever you wish ; however, I can't think of any mixed names in lore. In fact, the Elves were forbidden to use Quenya after the Noldor's shenanigans.

Really? Where is this from? Doesn't Galadirel recite a poem in Quenya when the fellowship leaves Lothlorien?

[Locklear93]

Really? Where is this from? Doesn't Galadirel recite a poem in Quenya when the fellowship leaves Lothlorien?

I can't site where exactly, but it was definitely from the Silmarillion. I'm listening to an unabridged audio book version during my commute, and hit that a while back. If I remember right (and I may not); it was Thingol who issued the ban. Galadriel was a noldo, and the ban was placed in the first era. By that point, she could pretty well break it if she felt like it.

[skorpion352]

I can't site where exactly, but it was definitely from the Silmarillion. I'm listening to an unabridged audio book version during my commute, and hit that a while back. If I remember right (and I may not); it was Thingol who issued the ban. Galadriel was a noldo, and the ban was placed in the first era. By that point, she could pretty well break it if she felt like it.

and besides, would you mess with her?

[Berephon]

Really? Where is this from? Doesn't Galadirel recite a poem in Quenya when the fellowship leaves Lothlorien?

The Silmarilion.

However, you are also correct.

[karakedi]

Galadriel was a Nolde, one of very high status, who left Valinor with the Noldor rebels in the First Age. Quenya was her native tongue. Quenya was forbidden by Thingol of Doriath when he heard about the kinslaying of Alqualonde, and the Noldor outside Doriath--though not subject to the prohibition--adapted to the surrounding majority Sindar and let Quenya fall out of daily use among them, remaining a 'classical' language of lore. Although Galadriel came to rule a Sindarin/Silvan kingdom where Sindarin would have been used for everyday purposes, it is not surprising that she felt free to use Quenya to express her deep emotions.

[Barruktp]

It makes sense when you state it that way. After all JRRT was Catholic and so had experience with a "sacred" language used for religion and lore. So Quenya is the Latin of the Elves.

[Russano]

So imagining there might be some people who are interested in knowing some basics of names of places they visit like "WTH is Nan Warthen? Ost guruth?" etc. So I compiled some of most used naming references from various sources like Silmarillion and Lord of the Rings dictionaries. Those are used in Quenya & Sindarin names...

Neat stuff. Thanks!

-R

[Drakkonus]

What does Cargûl mean in the Black-Speech? I know Gûl is BS for wraith but BS doesn't even seen to use words that start with "C", at least not in the dictionary I found.

[Reddhawk]

My main is a dwarf minstrel named Herunaug Auledil which I believe means, "Lord of Stone (also could be interpreted as dwarves, but as the "Naugrim" were the "People of Stone" I use stone), devoted to Aule"

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "Naugrim" does not mean "People of Stone". Naugrim means "The Stunted People", from the Sindarin word naug, meaning "stunted" or "dwarf". Heru is lord in Quenya, so you have a mixed name (Quenya/Sindarin), that approximately means, if anything, "Stunted Lord".

I think you may have confused "Naugrim" with the alternative elvish name for the dwarves: Gonnhirrim, "Masters of Stone".

Really? Where is this from? Doesn't Galadirel recite a poem in Quenya when the fellowship leaves Lothlorien?

Indeed. Galadriel recites Namárië.

It makes sense when you state it that way. After all JRRT was Catholic and so had experience with a "sacred" language used for religion and lore. So Quenya is the Latin of the Elves.

That's actually the language Tolkien intended Quenya to resemble. In Letter 144, Tolkien states:

The archaic language of lore is meant to be a kind of 'Elven-latin', and by transcribing it into a spelling closely resembling that of Latin [. . .] the similarity to Latin has been increased ocularly.

What does Cargûl mean in the Black-Speech? I know Gûl is BS for wraith but BS doesn't even seen to use words that start with "C", at least not in the dictionary I found.

I would wager a guess and say that "Car" is related to Q: carnë and S: Caran, both meaning "red".

Thus, I would imagine the name means "Redwraith", which would seem to be corroborated by the red robes worn by the Cargûl in the game.

[Vyclya]

I named my legendary Axe Burkubarazbund, but now i got a Lengendary sword and I want to name it something similar. Can anyone help with this?

P.S. what is dwarvish for Step-child