Level 65 2nd age Songbook

[Anier]

So I finally got the symbol and had a buddy make me a 65 2nd age songbook. I was very excited to see how it turned out. Well to save the pain it SUCKED. It is now level 35 and I didnt get bolster courage OR H&M. The book is totally useless. After about 70+ SG runs and finally winning the symbol the book didnt get either of the most important legacies a song book needs. I compared my 3rd ager to the 2nd ager and the heals are almost 200 morale lower on the 2nd ager with no H&M and no Bolster courage. I am just confused how turbine makes us grind out the symbol and then gives us junk. For that much effort I would think you would get at least 1 if not both of the most important healing legacies in the game. Instead my book is now going to be a relic maker. Pretty sad after all that hard work.

[Ghosttaker]

I made a weapon for one of our Champs and he got everything you could possibly hope for on that weapon, our RK got hosed and deconned at 41, our Guard had a similar experience. If the symbol dropped more frequently i twould not be such a big deal but with that drop rate it would be nice to get what you need/want in some fashion. I haven't even rolled on it yet, waiting for the dps to get what they need, i'm sure I'll be crying my blues soon enough.

[Megas]

I feel for you. I've got the symbol twice and twice now I have deconned my book at 30. There just is no incentive to work countless hours(in a game meant for entertainment) at getting a low percentage symbol with a high percentage of legacy failure as a result.

[willwheels]

People in my kin are happy to roll on the Symbol in SG but really reluctant to use DKP in BG because of the lottery crapshoot. I suppose a DPS class might justify it, but it's really risky for support classes.

[Anier]

I am glad (well not glad) to hear I am the only fool here that got bent. I totally agree, countless hours and runs to finally get the symbol with a high rate of legacy failure. The sad part is the 2nd age book isn't even close to my 3rd age book with no bolster and H&M. I think level 31 there will be a decon coming up.

[atimes]

If I ever come across a symbol I'd sell it before I'd waste it on this lottery of a legacy system we have.

The ONLY one I'd consider making a LI for would be my champ and even then I'd still seriously consider selling the emblem.

[Familiarity]

My kin had a priority list for SA and which classes received them first. DPS was on the top, and casters at the bottom. When it came time for me to receive mine, I asked instead to take it on my alt hunter rather than my minstrel. From what I have read the heals aren`t that significantly different between SA and TA books - and you really are taking a risk on what legacies will end up on the LI.

When I do get to raid on my hunter I feel my bow, though it did not get any crit legacies, is a better choice than the book since so many fights are now a DPS race.

Sorry to hear about your book. I dislike what Turbine has done to the LI system.

[Gillianrial]

My 2nd age 65 songbook got H&M but not Bolster (although it did get other useful legacies that I like), but my 3rd age 65 got everything I wanted and outheals the 2nd Age. *sigh*

I wouldn't waste another symbol on a book, and next time, I'll just make another sword or a bow for my hunter.

Then again, I don't really run SG anymore. I am mostly resigned to make due with what I have rather than go through the disappointment across all my characters.

I don't mind the drop rate so much, as it's supposed to be "rare" - although it's not so much rare as it is more readily available to people who play too much. I do mind the absolute pile of ^&%# we were fed about our "weapons growing along with you" when they don't.

[Anier]

If I ever come across a symbol I'd sell it before I'd waste it on this lottery of a legacy system we have.

The ONLY one I'd consider making a LI for would be my champ and even then I'd still seriously consider selling the emblem.

I would agree with you but I have a very good amount of gold so then the question is how much gold do you really need before enough is enough...So my gold would go from a lot to a lot more.... to me that is no fun... Now if I only had 5 gold I would sell it in a hearbeat, but I am sitting good for gold.

[Anier]

My 2nd age 65 songbook got H&M but not Bolster (although it did get other useful legacies that I like), but my 3rd age 65 got everything I wanted and outheals the 2nd Age. *sigh*

I wouldn't waste another symbol on a book, and next time, I'll just make another sword or a bow for my hunter.

Then again, I don't really run SG anymore. I am mostly resigned to make due with what I have rather than go through the disappointment across all my characters.

I don't mind the drop rate so much, as it's supposed to be "rare" - although it's not so much rare as it is more readily available to people who play too much. I do mind the absolute pile of ^&%# we were fed about our "weapons growing along with you" when they don't.

I agree, the only way a 2nd age songbook would be worth it to me would be if I got BOTH bolster and H&M..

[1580123]

That really sucks. I like that the symbol is rare, but being subject to the LI lottery is just bad design, imo. I finally got a symbol and rolling a songbook never even crossed my mind - minstrels have too many "required" legacies and the chance of getting all of them, or even most of them, is just too small. I rolled a weapon instead, because you can usually end up with either a pretty decent healing or dps item. In the end I got Piercing Cry, Call of the second age targets, Call of Orome, Call to war -resistance, and Cry of the Valar -resistance so not too bad. The 6th legacy was useless for this weapon's purpose (Rally CD) so I replaced it with vitality.

Not bad overall. Problem was very low tiers. Still working on that one... I hate skirmishing so I'm just buying scrolls if I find any not totally outrageously priced.

[KristTsirk]

Not bad overall. Problem was very low tiers.

I rarely see anything Tier 4 or above in the +60 items. I can't help but think this is intentional.

[Cloudie-wan]

I, too, am disappointed in both the book and the sword I made myself. The book, at least, has potential, as it has every healing legacy, but I can't use it because it does not have Ballad of War. The sword was just a complete waste of time and materials. I agree... the LI system is really disappointing me. It's wearing down my enjoyment of the game, too.

[Zaggles]

I, too, am disappointed in both the book and the sword I made myself. The book, at least, has potential, as it has every healing legacy, but I can't use it because it does not have Ballad of War. The sword was just a complete waste of time and materials. I agree... the LI system is really disappointing me. It's wearing down my enjoyment of the game, too.

LOL, Nar... you could do what I did and switch to an off-hand every time you hit ballad of war >< I couldn't for the life of me get a second age with H&M, Bolster, & BoW in the Moria days so I finally resorted to an off-hand. At least when I was in the ranged group or didn't have much melee in my group I could breathe a little easier.

I've won two symbols so far - one from now-countless SG runs, and one from BG. The legendary I got from the SG win was absolutely worthless, and a pretty big disappointment. The BG one is moderately useful, but still doesn't have everything I want so I'm still finding myself flipping through 2 or 3 different legendaries in battles to get everything I want.

It kind of does make them seem truly *legendary* when you do get everything you want on a single legendary, eh? I've seen some really nice ones since Mirkwood that have made me gawk and pine - maybe the rarity is the intention.

[1580123]

I rarely see anything Tier 4 or above in the +60 items. I can't help but think this is intentional.

It's intentional: meant as a trade-off for the existence of empowerment scrolls. Very annoying if like me you find skirmishes super-dull, but there it is.

[Sssnapdragon]

Then again, I don't really run SG anymore. I am mostly resigned to make due with what I have rather than go through the disappointment across all my characters.

I also don't run SG anymore. I know some kins can run it fast but it still took us around an hour to run, and I have all of my armor and jewelery for BG (which I haven't ever been invited to, and our kin is too small to run it solo), so there is just no point in running it. I don't really care much about anything in PvE to warrant trying for better stuff. I mostly play PvMP now and my 3rd agers are fine for it.

[Anamatronix]

I, too, am disappointed in both the book and the sword I made myself. The book, at least, has potential, as it has every healing legacy, but I can't use it because it does not have Ballad of War. The sword was just a complete waste of time and materials. I agree... the LI system is really disappointing me. It's wearing down my enjoyment of the game, too.

Lol Nar, just macro, baby, macro. I leveled a lvl 60 2nd age and it got all three buff legacies on it- the fire and fear ratings go higher on that then a lvl 65 3rd age too. I just have a macro button to switch in the buff book for my 3 buffs, so I'm still only hitting one button like I would normally to run the ballad.

My lvl 65 3rd age book is basically perfect, 10% H&M, BC, IF and 4% Healing Costs. It even has BoW on it but I chose not to put any points into it and pour them all into the healing legacies. The chance of getting a 2nd age as good or better? Not even worth crafting the book. That said... I haven't won a symbol yet, but I've basically been passing on every one until recently when my champ got to 65 and can use a 2nd age weapon.

[Ladygrinningsoul]

My 65 songbook has no healing legacies on it at all, and I love it. I have maxed out ballad of war and reduce power cost mainly, along with fate and vitality.
Just felt like something different and I find its awesome, especially for soloing in warrior skald - can blast through those skirmishes too.

When I have finished levelling up my weapons, I will probably look around and get one with healing legacies for raiding, but I can raid on this no problem at the moment - just cleared out DN last weekend with my kin, was great because I never had power problems.

[KristTsirk]

It's intentional: meant as a trade-off for the existence of empowerment scrolls.

So to balance the benefit of having empowerment scrolls, they made it so that we are required to have empowerment scrolls.

Is Turbine run by the government?

[Cloudie-wan]

LOL, Nar... you could do what I did and switch to an off-hand every time you hit ballad of war >< I couldn't for the life of me get a second age with H&M, Bolster, & BoW in the Moria days so I finally resorted to an off-hand. At least when I was in the ranged group or didn't have much melee in my group I could breathe a little easier.

Craziness. I'm too lazy to do that.

Lol Nar, just macro, baby, macro. I leveled a lvl 60 2nd age and it got all three buff legacies on it- the fire and fear ratings go higher on that then a lvl 65 3rd age too. I just have a macro button to switch in the buff book for my 3 buffs, so I'm still only hitting one button like I would normally to run the ballad.

I have no idea how to macro stuff... and I still don't know if I would, anyway. The thought of grinding MORE relics so that both books are tricked out is not appealing.

[Anamatronix]

I have no idea how to macro stuff... and I still don't know if I would, anyway. The thought of grinding MORE relics so that both books are tricked out is not appealing.

Crazy girl, no need for relics. Just have to get the book to lvl 60, you'll have more then enough points to max out just the ballad buffs, and it's only in momentarily so it won't affect your stats with no relics. Trust me!

[Zaggles]

Amat are you able to switch to your off-book, do all your buffs, and then switch back to your healing book all in one button click?
I tried to orchestrate this, and could get as far as switching to a book and executing ballad of war, but I could never get it to switch back to my healing book in the same sequence. My macro skills are nubbish, seems like it should be able to be done but I haven't figured it out yet.
I resorted to just assigning a key on my keypad to each legendary and I'm switching between legendaries using my keypad as I'm clicking through skills on my mouse.

[Anier]

I, too, am disappointed in both the book and the sword I made myself. The book, at least, has potential, as it has every healing legacy, but I can't use it because it does not have Ballad of War. The sword was just a complete waste of time and materials. I agree... the LI system is really disappointing me. It's wearing down my enjoyment of the game, too.

Ballad of war is actually a NO NO for me as a legacy on my primary book. It is a waste of a legacy imho. What i do is I have a 2nd songbook with the Ballad of war, the fire resistance and the fear resistance (all the tier 3 ballads) and what I do is I tier up to ballad 3 using my primary healing book and then I quick switch out my books with my mouse thumb button, play my tier 3 ballads, and then quick switch back using my mouse button back to my healing book. I would never spend any legacy points BoW when I prefer putting them all in my healing legacies. This set up has worked great. I get all 10% H&M, bolster, power costs, chord salvation cooldown -10 and raise the spirit and then I get the +500 fear and fire resist and 20% melee on my other book. Dont waste legacy points on BoW IMHO. Quick swap books at teir 3 ballads.

[atimes]

I would agree with you but I have a very good amount of gold so then the question is how much gold do you really need before enough is enough...So my gold would go from a lot to a lot more.... to me that is no fun... Now if I only had 5 gold I would sell it in a hearbeat, but I am sitting good for gold.

Well then shucks man, send some of your cash my way

[atimes]

So to balance the benefit of having empowerment scrolls, they made it so that we are required to have empowerment scrolls.
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That about sums it up. . .