Names in Middle-Earth, Quick Guide

[qannadi]

So I've been meaning to ask for a while, and not sure it's really come up (and you know, too lazy to check EVERY page).. So my Elf rune-keeper is named Celirestil, which is a simple mashup of "helpful healer" according to a Sindarin name generator. Not sure if it's set right, but she's almost level 58, so... Too late now.

What I was curious about was naming conventions for surnames. Elrond Halfelven, Legolas Greenleaf (iirc?).. Arwen Evenstar/Undomiel... Just trying to think of examples here at work with nothing to reference. So.. How would you go about picking a surname for an Elf? More Sindarin, go for a "fitting" surname in common? I wanted to be a healing focused rune-keeper (which of course has yet to happen since I've been solo levelling) since my main is a minstrel.

Any thoughts? How badly did I screw up her first name?

[thefallenringbearer]

Okay, my first name is Bryon...I managed to find it translated to Poldon. But for my last name i'm at a bit of a loss, research on Popplewell has revealed it's pebble+spring(stream). How would I flip that over in to Sindarin?

[lastalliance]

Here is a translational difficulty. I know someone who would like his name translated to Sindarin, but it has a rather odd meaning. Michael apparently means "Who is like God?". It seems to have been formed from a Hebrew question. Anyway, I have no idea of how to translate a name from a question. As I understand it, all I have to work with is Sindarin "man" meaning "who", "no" meaning "is", "be", meaning "like, as", and no word for "God" but we can use Tolkien's "Eru". Does Berephon or anyone else know how to construct a Sindarin name out of this?

Thanks.

[Berephon]

Here is a translational difficulty. I know someone who would like his name translated to Sindarin, but it has a rather odd meaning. Michael apparently means "Who is like God?". It seems to have been formed from a Hebrew question. Anyway, I have no idea of how to translate a name from a question. As I understand it, all I have to work with is Sindarin "man" meaning "who", "no" meaning "is", "be", meaning "like, as", and no word for "God" but we can use Tolkien's "Eru". Does Berephon or anyone else know how to construct a Sindarin name out of this?

Thanks.

Closest I can come is Ten i be Eru, One who is like the One

[Angadan]

Eleven I be Eru, too, Berephon!

Anyone for twelve?

[lafeeverte]

Here is a translational difficulty. I know someone who would like his name translated to Sindarin, but it has a rather odd meaning. Michael apparently means "Who is like God?". It seems to have been formed from a Hebrew question. Anyway, I have no idea of how to translate a name from a question. As I understand it, all I have to work with is Sindarin "man" meaning "who", "no" meaning "is", "be", meaning "like, as", and no word for "God" but we can use Tolkien's "Eru". Does Berephon or anyone else know how to construct a Sindarin name out of this?

Thanks.

Sindarin uses a number of different compounds when forming names; one of these is a karmadharaya compound in the form noun+noun where the first element is used as a metaphor for the second. So I would go with something like Eruben, "one [who is] like God".

[lafeeverte]

Okay, my first name is Bryon...I managed to find it translated to Poldon. But for my last name i'm at a bit of a loss, research on Popplewell has revealed it's pebble+spring(stream). How would I flip that over in to Sindarin?

You could go with Brithoneithel -> "pebbly-spring".

Regarding your first name, I'm not sure how you arrived at Poldon -- that doesn't seem to be Sindarin. Doesn't Bryon/Brian mean "high, noble"? I would probably translate that to Sindarin as Arod.

So, Arod Brithoneithel. Hope that helps!

EDIT: Ah, Poldon is Quenya, not Sindarin. It is a translation of Brian when taken to mean "strong". If you want to translate Bryon as "strong" instead of "high, noble", in Sindarin this would be Thalion.

So depending on which translation of Bryon you wish to use, for a Sindarin translation you could have:

Thalion Brithoneithel --> "strong" "pebbly-spring"

or

Arod Brithoneithel --> "noble" "pebbly-spring"

[lf2536]

Here is a translational difficulty. I know someone who would like his name translated to Sindarin, but it has a rather odd meaning. Michael apparently means "Who is like God?". It seems to have been formed from a Hebrew question. Anyway, I have no idea of how to translate a name from a question. As I understand it, all I have to work with is Sindarin "man" meaning "who", "no" meaning "is", "be", meaning "like, as", and no word for "God" but we can use Tolkien's "Eru". Does Berephon or anyone else know how to construct a Sindarin name out of this?

Thanks.

indeed, michael or me-cha-el in Hebrew (me as in the word me, ch like Scottish Loch) and written (here's hoping your browser shows it) מיכאל, is actually a Hebrew name. the meaning isn't exactly "who is like God?" but more "who is equal to God" or "who is as magnificent as God?", with the obvious answer of no one.

[lafeeverte]

indeed, michael or me-cha-el in Hebrew (me as in the word me, ch like Scottish Loch) and written (here's hoping your browser shows it) מיכאל, is actually a Hebrew name. the meaning isn't exactly "who is like God?" but more "who is equal to God" or "who is as magnificent as God?", with the obvious answer of no one.

Hmm, good point.

So if the point is to convey the idea that there can be none other like God, perhaps a better translation would be Eruvalben, "[there are] none like God" --> Eru "God"; al- "not"; pen "one, anybody".

[lastalliance]

Thank you for the assistance, everyone.

[skorpion352]

can i get an elvish translationb for sword of truth please

[Berephon]

can i get an elvish translationb for sword of truth please

Closest would be Thenidrist or Theningrist -- True Sword.

Other variants would be Thenidlang, Thenidmagol, Thenidmegil, Theninlang, Thenimagol, Thenimegil.

[skorpion352]

Closest would be Thenidrist or Theningrist -- True Sword.

Other variants would be Thenidlang, Thenidmagol, Thenidmegil, Theninlang, Thenimagol, Thenimegil.

excellent, thanks for that. i think im going to go with theningrist

[Hoppa_Joel]

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• Wen: Maiden (Arwen, Eärwen, Morwen)

This is a nice one to note for making your "MALE" characters *chuckles*

I have seen folks using the suffix; Wen or Wyn or Win ( which all basically break down to maiden no matter if it is e y or i or I even suppose a w in Wwn ) being used on male characters SO I hope the word gets out to some of the fellers out there hehe

I usually send a tell if i am not too busy to the guy with Wen as a suffix.

if the guys find out its means maiden, and stops using it it can be a win wen, situation

[Dankanthegood]

Nice thread.. what the name Estelldor means?

[''Cris''']

Hello,
I spend many hours for the name of my hunter ,which is and the only char i have and play(thats why i spend a lot of time for the name because i knew that i would play with one char only and wanted that name to be good)
i came upon this LOTR website http://elffetish.com/SindaFrame1.php its about Sindarin names and their meanings, you can somehow learn what your char's name in lotro means
Anyway it seems that my hunters name means "one alone flame" (from the name Erennor) , well it is good i guess but i would like to know if someone knows exacly what the name means ,i saw that a developer of lotro knows and says the meanings
Thanks

[Dankanthegood]

I have asked already but i am not sure if anyone jumbs in this thread to answer anymore so i will ask again
What the name Estelldor means?

[Berephon]

I have asked already but i am not sure if anyone jumbs in this thread to answer anymore so i will ask again
What the name Estelldor means?

Greetings!

Well, it would be Esteldor with one L and is a construct of Estel and Dôr. It would be Place of Hope (in the sense of Faith).

[''Cris''']

Greetings Berephon, i just saw that you are online and i would like a translation too if you have the time

A translation for Erennor

I spend many hours for the name of my hunter ,which is and the only char i have and play(thats why i spend a lot of time for the name because i knew that i would play with one char only and wanted that name to be good)
i came upon this LOTR website http://elffetish.com/SindaFrame1.php its about Sindarin names and their meanings, you can somehow learn what your char's name in lotro means
Anyway it seems that my hunters name means "one alone flame" (from the name Erennor) , well it is good i guess but i would like to know if someone knows exacly what the name means
Thanks

[Berephon]

Greetings Berephon, i just saw that you are online and i would like a translation too if you have the time

A translation for Erennor

I spend many hours for the name of my hunter ,which is and the only char i have and play(thats why i spend a lot of time for the name because i knew that i would play with one char only and wanted that name to be good)
i came upon this LOTR website http://elffetish.com/SindaFrame1.php its about Sindarin names and their meanings, you can somehow learn what your char's name in lotro means
Anyway it seems that my hunters name means "one alone flame" (from the name Erennor) , well it is good i guess but i would like to know if someone knows exacly what the name means
Thanks

Heh, er- (one, alone, lone) + ennor (Sindarin derivation of Quenya endor--central lands, Middle-earth). Your name is the Lone-lands.

[''Cris''']

Heh, er- (one, alone, lone) + ennor (Sindarin derivation of Quenya endor--central lands, Middle-earth). Your name is the Lone-lands.

oh.. i am a bit of disappointed i guess,(i prefered the one alone flame name better) but anyway thanks for your reply

[Berephon]

oh.. i am a bit of disappointed i guess,(i prefered the one alone flame name better) but anyway thanks for your reply

Looking further, it could be One of the Flame. Er- (one) + En (of the) + Naur (flame), which mutates to nor in a compound.

[MichaelBlack]

Awesome! I was always wondering what all the gul- and dul- and -roth 's meant!

[shoreless]

Can anyone lend a helping hand translating 'shipwreck'?

The closest I've gotten is Cirbreitho, which is 'ship-break'. I'm not sure if it's the correct context of 'break' either. Any help would be much appreciated!

[Berephon]

Can anyone lend a helping hand translating 'shipwreck'?

The closest I've gotten is Cirbreitho, which is 'ship-break'. I'm not sure if it's the correct context of 'break' either. Any help would be much appreciated!

Ship = cair
No word for wreck; in fact, there are extremely few destructive words in Sindarin. Let's go with Ship-killer = Cairdagnir or Ship-uproar = Cairlam or Ship-violence = Cairbreged or Ship-wound = Caircharu or Harucair.