Whos the best at their class?!?!

[arrowzs]

i remember Lockdown doing 6v6's in MoM and also SoM and winning then the freeps complaining creeps are OP then Lockdown got on there freeps and won again, maybe its the player not the class?

videos of this allover youtube also.

Lockdown always played well together nomatter what time in lotro.
they actually listen unlike most players now
and i know id be up for 6v6's 12v12's 24v24's if could happen anytime.

[Turin_Turambar_The_F]

No, it hadn't.

This... I miss butthurt Holly and Dodik.

Btw, Wls lost alot of their OPness when SoA added better gear for the freeps via craftables... WL shouts were a bit OP in the beginning (1k shouts = 1/3 of my hp at the time)... but things evened out with gear by Bk 13... not to mention the Second 'Month of' dedicated to un #### ing champs, lulz.

[timmyloo22546]

For the 6vs6 against Lockdown peeps; the freeps chose their friends who weren't the best. Many times the people they brought hadn't even been to the Moors for quite awhile or simply weren't up to par. They just picked a handful of people who they liked even though they never played together out in the Moors. I remember them doing some pretty awful tactics because that..

I'd still be willing to do a 6vs6 and on creepside. Yes freeps should win, but they'd likely find a way to lose.

[tomdude34]

Yes freeps should win, but they'd likely find a way to lose.

I think Ez was the first Loremaster I've seen run ancient master in RvR for like a month...

you dps loremasters are noobs.. straight up

[Slyn]

I think Ez was the first Loremaster I've seen run ancient master in RvR for like a month...

you dps loremasters are noobs.. straight up

idk if there is something i'm missing but askir is always telling lm's to trait ancient master...just saying.

[timmyloo22546]

idk if there is something i'm missing but askir is always telling lm's to trait ancient master...just saying.

Well if there is only 1 LM in the group, AM is by far the best way to trait if they know how to play.

[tomdude34]

idk if there is something i'm missing but askir is always telling lm's to trait ancient master...just saying.

How many listen?

[Turin_Turambar_The_F]

How many listen?

When has grouping and not dpsing been rewarding to 'soloers' in this game? SoA? Besides LMs have always been their own fellowship.

[tomdude34]

When has grouping and not dpsing been rewarding to 'soloers' in this game? SoA? Besides LMs have always been their own fellowship.

want to 1v1?

[Bombadil411]

I would call this a successful thread derail if I've ever seen one.

[chaotic]

I would call this a successful thread derail if I've ever seen one.

lol i was just thinking the same thing, i skipped from the first page to the last and had to check if i was still on the same thread

[spitzff]

Well if there is only 1 LM in the group, AM is by far the best way to trait if they know how to play.

hybrid setup is actually better if you are the only lrm.

1 red, 4 yellow, 2 blue

Eagle, ents, SS as leg traits

capstone for AM sucks, and losing another red or blue for the 5th yellow hurts your ability to stay alive or keep other people alive, which is your job (along with draining/passing power, cc, debuffs, and dps).

[Turin_Turambar_The_F]

hybrid setup is actually better if you are the only lrm.

1 red, 4 yellow, 2 blue

Eagle, ents, SS as leg traits

capstone for AM sucks, and losing another red or blue for the 5th yellow hurts your ability to stay alive or keep other people alive, which is your job (along with draining/passing power, cc, debuffs, and dps).

Translation: Loremasters, doing everything is your job!

@Rash
I assume that was a Meg 'plug'?

[aldencook]

Im pretty offended i was left out of a lot of the lists

been here since the begining, i know i play like ####### but when i get real i go pretty HAM (hard as a mofo) or HITP (hard in the paint).

thank you for all those who recognize my overpowered leetness.

autographs will be signed at the Last Homely House at 3pm July 1st.

Be there or be square.

that is all.

[Slyn]

Im pretty offended i was left out of a lot of the lists

been here since the begining, i know i play like ####### but when i get real i go pretty HAM (hard as a mofo) or HITP (hard in the paint).

thank you for all those who recognize my overpowered leetness.

autographs will be signed at the Last Homely House at 3pm July 1st.

Be there or be square.

that is all.

You are still drunk zeathleN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

P.S U suck!

[Vincent7879]

I would like to add Zeath to my list of people who are best at their class because he is a CRYBABY B###H

[quikgrim]

The original Members of Lockdown after Defiance fell apart.

There have not been a set of freeps that have taken them in an arranged 6v6.

That being said, Freeps are disqualified.

Many examples on youtube.

thats sounds like a challenge nol you get your 6 and ill get mine and we can 6v6 then we can maybe be on your lsit

[Vincent7879]

thats sounds like a challenge nol you get your 6 and ill get mine and we can 6v6 then we can maybe be on your lsit

epic pve showdown!!!!!!

[the_matrix]

Im pretty offended i was left out of a lot of the lists

Welcome to my world Zeath . That said, you're at the top of my list for best corpse jumper though. Laughed my ### off when you guys burned me up near SOP last night. Thought the whole raid should have got in on it.

[tomdude34]

Welcome to my world Zeath . That said, you're at the top of my list for best corpse jumper though. Laughed my ### off when you guys burned me up near SOP last night. Thought the whole raid should have got in on it.

But I spam that spacebar like a boss...

[SoldierJ]

Welcome to my world Zeath . That said, you're at the top of my list for best corpse jumper though. Laughed my ### off when you guys burned me up near SOP last night. Thought the whole raid should have got in on it.

To Jump or not to Jump, that was the question.

[timmyloo22546]

hybrid setup is actually better if you are the only lrm.

1 red, 4 yellow, 2 blue

Eagle, ents, SS as leg traits

capstone for AM sucks, and losing another red or blue for the 5th yellow hurts your ability to stay alive or keep other people alive, which is your job (along with draining/passing power, cc, debuffs, and dps).

Going have to disagree. The fact that you're losing a 30s duration on -30% melee damage/+5% miss chance for 8+ targets is hurting your/your group's ability to stay alive. Going hybrid, you aren't doing much of anything for DPS and honestly don't increase your own survivabilty by anything noticable. With the AM capstone, your ancient craft lasts much longer as well and -armour value takes a huge toll on creep mitigation across the board (which increases group dps way more than going hybrid to try n increase your own).

Nearly all creep groups have multiple wargs, i'd take raven over eagle. An extra ~7-10% shadow mitigation for squishies is a huge difference vs wargs.

[spitzff]

Going have to disagree. The fact that you're losing a 30s duration on -30% melee damage/+5% miss chance for 8+ targets is hurting your/your group's ability to stay alive. Going hybrid, you aren't doing much of anything for DPS and honestly don't increase your own survivabilty by anything noticable. With the AM capstone, your ancient craft lasts much longer as well and -armour value takes a huge toll on creep mitigation across the board (which increases group dps way more than going hybrid to try n increase your own).

Nearly all creep groups have multiple wargs, i'd take raven over eagle. An extra ~7-10% shadow mitigation for squishies is a huge difference vs wargs.

If you played your loremaster more you'd realize why I said the things I did.

I run raven unless I need to interrupt wls with eagle.

and hybrid setup is not to increase dps at all, its for the fast wound cure, without the fast cure you can be set back enough by a few creeps to never get it off in time; also hybrid allows you to pick up extra morale, which I always needed alot of cause I was getting focused a-lot. You will also find that you dont need the extra fire lore, because all the melee have already chickened out and ran to the back by the time the 30 secs is up, and you can just throw tar to ruin their day anyway. ancient craft is nice, but likely your target is gonna be dead or outta range before the 30sec if off anyhow, and it has too small of a range (10m) and radius to be very effective in pvp anyway, also it doesn't do a whole lot to creep armor anyways because their values are much higher than pve mobs and the skill is set to be used in pve..... i.e. it will give ya ~10% against a t2 raid boss, vs 3-5% against a creep.

Also you will find that 30% isnt always 30% in turbine's book. just like 20% isnt 20% and -15% isnt -15%.

[timmyloo22546]

If you played your loremaster more you'd realize why I said the things I did.

I run raven unless I need to interrupt wls with eagle.

and hybrid setup is not to increase dps at all, its for the fast wound cure, without the fast cure you can be set back enough by a few creeps to never get it off in time; also hybrid allows you to pick up extra morale, which I always needed alot of cause I was getting focused a-lot. You will also find that you dont need the extra fire lore, because all the melee have already chickened out and ran to the back by the time the 30 secs is up, and you can just throw tar to ruin their day anyway. ancient craft is nice, but likely your target is gonna be dead or outta range before the 30sec if off anyhow, and it has too small of a range (10m) and radius to be very effective in pvp anyway, also it doesn't do a whole lot to creep armor anyways because their values are much higher than pve mobs and the skill is set to be used in pve..... i.e. it will give ya ~10% against a t2 raid boss, vs 3-5% against a creep.

Also you will find that 30% isnt always 30% in turbine's book. just like 20% isnt 20% and -15% isnt -15%.

Because you play your LM so much out in the Moors! PvE land is not the same as PvMP land.

An extra 5% morale for a LM isn't much of anything when they sit at 6300-6500 unbuffed without it. They're typically in the captain's group for even more morale anyways. If you end up dying, chances are that extra 5% morale wouldn't have helped you in this case especially because you're giving up something crucial that would have saved you in the first place.

The fast cure (healer?) only saves 1s off leechcraft. The induction to leechcraft doesn't get set back when being attacked and combine that with the fact that BA firedot is on a 20s cooldown, the class trait really isn't needed anymore. If you're being attacked, you will likely be kiting so chances are you wouldn't stop to try an induction in the first place.


~1700 armour value takes (roughly) -10% mitigation across the board for creeps (westerness, beleriand, fire, etc). You can literally look at the actual % yourself, you don't have to estimate using half #### parsers like in PvE land. Traited ancient master capstone, the ancient craft is ~2700 armour value and lasts a minute. Thats closer to a -15% mitigation to ALL damage for a whole minute. It makes quick switches when focus firing targets crazy more effective.
^^ And 10m range isn't that much. If something is focus fired by creeps, they're probably all in the same area, or at least the melee. Sounds like a good time to use it!

On my warg, claws typically does 277 shadow damage. With fire-lore on me, it was only at 194 shadow damage. 194/277 = 70% What do you know, that means fire-lore reduced my warg's melee damage by 30%; odd how skills work vs creeps

Because I don't play my LM enough, is there anything else you would like to teach me while I'm still learning? <--that pertains to killing creeps, and not npcs please.

[Turin_Turambar_The_F]

Lol, first time I've seen Askir be 'snooty.' Chaven has been in the moors quite a bit, perhaps not recently, though, that shouldn't be the focus of your argument right now 'grouch.'