Kelsen: What did High Ranks do to you?

[Arvaen]

No clue, but at first, with the trait, full damage corruptions and in SH it was a very powerful Power DoT. Drained a total of about 5k-6k power =/.

I realize how powerful it was with the trait before, but it's still quite a leap in my mind from ensuring the skill is not OP to reducing it far below it's original effectiveness.

Edit: 5-6K as heavily mitigated common damage?

[Sezneg]

/signed

Saw this day comming when the LOTRO store was first introduced...

But... I am in agreement with After on the skills idea... Its great that they can have a fully functioned class thats achievable... But being one of those "High Ranks" I also agree with Gate higher ranks deserve to be able to strut with pride of what they earned, its not an easy accomplishment. The Finesse is a great idea, but its not enough if you ask me.. Id love seeing more advanced skills after r9+... and not just for creeps.. for freeps as well...

You have the ranked skin

You have higher stats from battlefield promotion

You have unlocked rank gated consumables

You did not lose your rank. New players are not auto-ranked. You can still strut around with pride.

Except now you get to strut around with pride, while also knowing that that low rank player can actually HELP you in a real fight.

[OverlordGate]

You have the ranked skin

yeah great!

You have higher stats from battlefield promotion

As I said: About 5% more

You have unlocked rank gated consumables

Oh yeah, buggy akulhun symbols and rank 12 food which is at least not really better than the rank 10 food!

You did not lose your rank. New players are not auto-ranked. You can still strut around with pride.

Except now you get to strut around with pride, while also knowing that that low rank player can actually HELP you in a real fight.

So the 8,5x 400.000 infamy more is okay for this high end improvements!!111oneeleven You didn´t get the point, congratz!

[Arvaen]

You have the ranked skin

Just like I said in the other thread, a number of the high ranked skins need to be fixed up a bit or replaced entirely. Not to mention that we were hoping to see more skins added. ( Also linked to ranks, but spread out so that there could be multiple skins for each rank and generally more customization. There seems to be a lot of "P2W" items in the store and not much fluff. )

As I said: About 5% more

That they could also buy in the store.

Oh yeah, buggy akulhun symbols and rank 12 food which is at least not really better than the rank 10 food!

Again, brands with a 1m duration, 5m CD, and usable in combat are available in the store for any rank.

[Prancey]

That they could also buy in the store.

Uhh, you can't buy Battlefield Promotion through the stores... just an fyi.



There you go.

['Ongbyrz.]

Personally as r12 reaver I love this change, I play this game for fun not the massive grind of for a rank to get the massive reward of 1 new skill/trait per rank, yay! Saying a r0 would be as deadly as a high ranked creep still isn't true unless the high rank is total incompetant, experience still has some value... anw I think if you play for rank instead of fun you shouldn't bother at all, since you can gain rank faster like this, and if you play for fun, you can get more kills because we got more skills, win-win to me

[Thorandril]

The sky isn't falling, I look forward to having more skills on my reaver. I'm looking for interesting gameplay, not chasing the carrot that is rank. Which is and was essentially meaningless /played time anyways.

Those of you who think rank is actually meaningful are silly. Low ranked creeps have always been nothing more than a renown buffer.

[Beleg-Of-Doriath]

The sky isn't falling, I look forward to having more skills on my reaver. I'm looking for interesting gameplay, not chasing the carrot that is rank. Which is and was essentially meaningless /played time anyways.

Those of you who think rank is actually meaningful are silly. Low ranked creeps have always been nothing more than a renown buffer.

What are you babbling about? Rank has a meaning for creeps at the moment because it actually has a tangible benefit - progressing the attributes and abilities of your creep. That is it's meaning. Now they're drastically diluting that with being able to purchase skills that exceed your rank. Which you seem to support...before going on to complain about ranks having no meaning.

That was one of the most bizarre posts I've read in a while.

[Prancey]

What are you babbling about? Rank has a meaning for creeps at the moment because it actually has a tangible benefit - progressing the attributes and abilities of your creep. That is it's meaning. Now they're drastically diluting that with being able to purchase skills that exceed your rank. Which you seem to support...before going on to complain about ranks having no meaning.

That was one of the most bizarre posts I've read in a while.

And now with rank you get battlefield promotion.



So now creeps can PvP while having all their skills if they wish, and work towards the next rank to be able to do more damage, get more morale and power, and get more finesse.

Freeps have all their skills available to them; why shouldn't creeps?

[Thorandril]

And now with rank you get battlefield promotion.



So now creeps can PvP while having all their skills if they wish, and work towards the next rank to be able to do more damage, get more morale and power, and get more finesse.

Freeps have all their skills available to them; why shouldn't creeps?

....someone that understands, +rep
I just don't know how I survived the last 12 & 1/2 ranks when it's done nothing for me!
Oh yeah, fun.

[Arvaen]

Uhh, you can't buy Battlefield Promotion through the stores... just an fyi.

Heh, I was just referring to the 5% damage increase.

[NYSEguy1970]

They could sell cosmetic fluff like the do for freeps. All they needed to do was create some awesome looking skins for the creeps and sell those in the store. instant $$.

Absolutely. I would be very happy w/this

[Prancey]

Heh, I was just referring to the 5% damage increase.

Ahn, but you can get that with DP now (Through the DP perk wallet instead of having to go to TA) =]. I'm 99.9% sure, lol. I will have to check beta, but I'm getting so tired of switching clients all the time, hehe. Also, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to use TP for that buff.

[Arvaen]

Ahn, but you can get that with DP now (Through the DP perk wallet instead of having to go to TA) =]. I'm 99.9% sure, lol. I will have to check beta, but I'm getting so tired of switching clients all the time, hehe. Also, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to use TP for that buff.

True. That reminds me though, did they fix the war tab being labeled "Title?" Sort of irrelevant to this thread but I may as well ask.

[Prancey]

I just checked, and yes, you can buy the damage buff with DP now. That also includes the mitigation buffs, which are MUCH cheaper now with DP, because they all fall under 1 out of 2 category. Either physical (Beleriand, Westernesse etc) or tactical (Fire, light, etc)

Here's a screenshot I just took of those.



And yes they did change the name to what it was. It's back to being called "The War" now.

[TheCrusher]

Ranking my defiler to 12 has always been mainly about killing freeps and having fun, but getting a good skill at the end of the road was always the biggest motivation to rank

Getting a good skill makes killing freeps easier and more interesting, which means more fun. It also makes me unique from any other random defiler

Now after rank 10 all high ranked creeps have to look forward to for hundreds of thousands of infamy is a +1% stat every rank, which just isnt worth it

[CodeofMisconduct]

Thank you for our "New Game Enhancements."

[Gretolas]

How much worse the pvp in this game can get?

[D3str0yer]

I dont mind being able to purcahse skill that are very high rank gated. But I do see a problem with all these OP consumables...

Anyway GW2 will be here soon, So Im not too worried. If PVP fails even more I atleast got something else to look forward too.

[chrisCML]

....someone that understands, +rep
I just don't know how I survived the last 12 & 1/2 ranks when it's done nothing for me!
Oh yeah, fun.

Agree...I don't see skill purchases as a big issue really.

I dont mind being able to purcahse skill that are very high rank gated. But I do see a problem with all these OP consumables....

This is the part I'm most concerned about....and if all the QQ on skills gets skills ripped from the store....guess what that revenue hole will be filled with?....more store only consumables that will lead to buff bar arms races to be viable in the moors and have ALL of us having to continually drop TP weekly as a tithe to play. Larger single time purchases, tailored mostly to the newer FTP creeps, wins over cheaper consumables we all end up having to use daily imho.

[Beleg-Of-Doriath]

Freeps have all their skills available to them; why shouldn't creeps?

1. Because creeps can just be rolled straight from the go - they don't need to grind through what is now 75 levels plus whatever it takes to gear them up.

2. It is actually more fun to rank on a creep because you're progressing all the time. Freeps don't have this incentive.

3. While it takes maybe rank 10 or so for a creep to become fairly equal with a freep (generally speaking I mean, I'm excluding OP classes like the guard and burg) they then still have another 5 ranks of progress to get even better.

4. Even if there was an argument for creeps to have access to their skills straight away, this is certainly not the right way of going about it. This has nothing to do with Turbine trying to find balance, they're just milking the PvMP community and slapping the vets in the face at the same time.

[Louvre]

3. While it takes maybe rank 10 or so for a creep to become fairly equal with a freep (generally speaking I mean, I'm excluding OP classes like the guard and burg) they then still have another 5 ranks of progress to get even better.

There isn't a big difference between a rank 7 and a rank 15 (strenght wise) for most creeps classes. You should know that.

[Beleg-Of-Doriath]

There isn't a big difference between a rank 7 and a rank 15 (strenght wise) for most creeps classes. You should know that.

It's a hell of a difference compared to a rank 7 and rank 15 freep.

It may not be ground-breaking but there are many major skills/traits that creeps receive in the later ranks that do have a notable impact on the creeps potential. Uruk heal, rabid bite trait, DR, AOE DoT etc etc. These aren't minor tweaks.

[OverlordGate]

So now creeps can PvP while having all their skills if they wish, and work towards the next rank to be able to do more damage, get more morale and power, and get more finesse.

Freeps have all their skills available to them; why shouldn't creeps?

That is so stupid! You don´t understand the point!

You earn ~400.000 points to become Lieutenant and have all your skills, okay... I can handle that! Than again ~230.000 points for +1-2% more damage... again ~380.000 points for 1-2% more damage... again 600.000 points for 1-2% damage... AGAIN 900.000 points for 1-2% damage... AND F***** AGAIN 1.200.000 points for 1-2% damage! And NOTHING else except for a skin and 3/5 not existing, 2/5 weak and ridiculous skill improvements... there is NO reason to make so much points for these laughable things! THAT is the point! And because of this I´m extremely pissed... I worked on rank 13 to have finally my last active skill... but that was for nothing because everybody get this skill now and I (and all the other high ranks) get nothing for the extra 3.300.000 points!

[Triumphus]

They're really robbing lots of people of their real lives, tbh.

I know for some people, there's more fun things to do in this game. And when you invest time in this game, and then like, for what? It feels like you've been robbed irl. You could've been partying, paying the bills, going to school and taking care of whatever. And it's all so Turbine can milk some few dollars off the few people even are FTP and playing this game.

For someone who's put in weeks worth of time, months at the higher ranks, Yea, you should be pissed off.

The best part about PvMP Creepside compared to Freepside is progression. Yea it's about the fun of the fight, but everyone wants to be effective and powerful and even be a little prideful of how much time you spent in a video game(l0l). One side you're there for fun, the other for progression and fun, two birds one stone. They pretty much took that away with this Pay2#Win.

Balance is going to be really borked. It's free to play Creep now for premiums, meaning some ex players will return and some freeps will flip to their creeps because why pay when you can play for free? With these creeps running around a lot more numerous and more powerful now, freeps are going to be outnumbered for sure, that's without a doubt. At the same time, Freeps are going to have to be overpowered to compete: Meaning that 1v1's and 6 v 6's and under, should all be in Freeps' favour. Either way, it's going to be lopsided and things aren't going to be all that.


@ Kelsan: Break your silence or something, because this is pretty laughable.