"Update" on the 17th?

[Bryos]

Turbine is starting to kill their game for tp.

Starting?

Been going on for quite some time.

[Khallan1706]

It's nice to see things being fixed, what worries me is what the fix is going to break.

[Moripopori]

will i have to purchase this hotfix for turbine points?

on topic: glad things will b fixed soonish then... me kins desperately waitin for german battle, log an im sick of translatin it is...
lets wait for the patchnotes an see whats missin, not to disappoint the whiners, so it is...

off topic: whats that with the cat faces? im old

[Nickysmom]

How about skirmish soldier costs? Have they been corrected? And minstrel coda damage?

[Haldern]

For all the doomsayers, the armour being offered is low-level stuff which would be obsolete within days (or even hours, depending on the player). Casualstroll has the info on that.

My question is regarding relics: will the sub-Remarkable Runes of Power have the tactical mastery restored to them with this patch?

[Abiyah]

...the armour being offered is low-level stuff which would be obsolete within days (or even hours, depending on the player).

This is a good thing, is it? It's low-level stuff now-- so when the low-level stuff is outgrown, there'll soon enough be next-level gear to buy in the store. I don't believe they'll stop with just this offering.

[chompo78]

This is a good thing, is it? It's low-level stuff now-- so when the low-level stuff is outgrown, there'll soon enough be next-level gear to buy in the store. I don't believe they'll stop with just this offering.

That is exactly why. Plus, it cuts out low level crafters.

[Celebria]

Yeah, I agree. This first offering is just to get us all used to the idea before they add a full array of armor sets for every level and class.

They eased us into things like stat tomes; those weren't available when the store first went live and now we're up to the seventh rank offering.

[Moripopori]

im fine with gear in the store, as long as it reains for cosmetical purposes, and second class... once it gets more adorable than current raid gear, we shoud all question that fact a bit more...

[Abiyah]

im fine with gear in the store, as long as it reains for cosmetical purposes, and second class... once it gets more adorable than current raid gear, we shoud all question that fact a bit more...

First off, the gear isn't "for cosmetical purposes, and second class". It's the highest stats available on gear of its level (20ish). Available in the store. For real money.

And secondly, by the time this comes around-- "once it gets more adorable than current raid gear, we shoud all question that fact a bit more...", it'll be way too late to turn around. Comments, direct, to-the-point, LOUD comments need to be made before the wall is hit.

[StavroMuellerBeta]

once it gets more adorable than current raid gear, we shoud all question that fact a bit more...

If Tuirbine has no intention of releasing higher tiers of hear, then we are in agreement with Turbine, and our complaints have no more merit than "the sky is falling".
If Turbine does intend to make higher level gear available, they need to hear our voices NOW, so that they can stop their plans before too many leave the game.

But if we all sit down, shut up, and sing kumbaya until the raid gear gets here, Turbine will take silence as acceptance, and keep releasing new tiers of gear. And when it does get to the point that raid gear goes into the store, how many store items have you seen removed due to player feedback?

If you want to keep you fingers in your ears until it's too late, go right ahead, but I'm going to continue complaining while we still have a chance.

[Moripopori]

First off, the gear isn't "for cosmetical purposes, and second class". It's the highest stats available on gear of its level (20ish). Available in the store. For real money.

And secondly, by the time this comes around-- "once it gets more adorable than current raid gear, we shoud all question that fact a bit more...", it'll be way too late to turn around. Comments, direct, to-the-point, LOUD comments need to be made before the wall is hit.

well aye, im just after findin the *11pages-of-complainin-thread* in the other section...
if it stays among the low levels, fair play, fair enough... the word if can b seen as scary tho...

the basics behind a mmo are always the same, stand ingame challenges, with others, to get the best equipment as rewards... once pullin me credit card becomes the challenge, i fear, i wont stand it... so it is... i hope they do know bout that... after readin the other thread, theres no: *yay finally armours in the store* response...

edit: ive always tried to see the shop as kinda need for the greater good... to get the cash from folks that re into masses of steeds, cosmetics an such... cash needed to provide quality raids an innovation...

[WickedWitch99]

For all the doomsayers, the armour being offered is low-level stuff which would be obsolete within days (or even hours, depending on the player). Casualstroll has the info on that.

If that armor is so innocent, why not announce its introduction together with the patch? Are the stats on that armor not something to be announced in a grand way, or at least mentioned in Turbine posts in this thread?

Instead, existing players who do not place enough low-level crafted armor in the AH are the reason for this addition to the store. so we can read here http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...e-armors/page2 post 22.

And will there be things that will disappear from the game, that make it more likely that new players buy gear in the store?


The price is not innocent for sure. Neither are the stats offered. Go try find that in game on crafted or looted stuff.


And why oh why do we always have to rely on third party sites for insight into certain topics which on these forums so 'conveniently' are kept out of sight?

[Jadzi]

If that armor is so innocent, why not announce its introduction together with the patch? Are the stats on that armor not something to be announced in a grand way, or at least mentioned in Turbine posts in this thread?

A) They aren't announcing much of anything in a single place just yet. They're dropping hints all over the place, but there isn't a single set of patch notes just yet. And several of the posts given say "wait until the patch notes for full details".

B) What's added to the store usually gets minor play in the patch notes, while the store announcement pages go into more detail. Because that's kinda what the pages are for.

C) http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew has full details, and is not exactly a third-party site...

[StavroMuellerBeta]

C) http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew has full details, and is not exactly a third-party site...

In the other thread, Sapience said they have a max level in the lower 20s. CSTM says 20-ish, but that might be just a rewording of Sapience's post. The store page you linked to has no level details at all.

I don't think that they can be said to give "full details" when omitting such an important aspect of the armor.

[Hosgrim]

Yes. (This post needs more kitty face, so =^_^=)

No kitty faces are needed.

The faces needed are these: (´･ω･｀) （；_・） （￣へ￣） (´・｀) (＾□＾) (｡_｡)

You can't capture (; ・_・)―――――――――C<―_-) us with cuteness.

(- - )

[Sapience]

Store updates aren't mentioned in patch notes (as usual). So that's why the store team sends out notices of 'coming soon'.

Just like this thread is a discussion of the update, and the other thread is a discussion of the store items. If we're done discussing the update/fixes and only wish to discuss the store items, we can close this thread and re-direct comments to the store items thread.

[catofnine]

Store updates aren't mentioned in patch notes (as usual). So that's why the store team sends out notices of 'coming soon'.

Just like this thread is a discussion of the update, and the other thread is a discussion of the store items. If we're done discussing the update/fixes and only wish to discuss the store items, we can close this thread and re-direct comments to the store items thread.

Will there be a fix to the Gravenwood quests i.e. Silent Riders' quest chain?

[Lambs]

I hope they fix minstrel codas so if you have two in a group they don't wipe each other's ballads. And hopefully a fix to wardens.

[WickedWitch99]

A) They aren't announcing much of anything in a single place just yet. They're dropping hints all over the place, but there isn't a single set of patch notes just yet. And several of the posts given say "wait until the patch notes for full details".

B) What's added to the store usually gets minor play in the patch notes, while the store announcement pages go into more detail. Because that's kinda what the pages are for.

C) http://www.lotro.com/lotrostorenew has full details, and is not exactly a third-party site...

A. They never have been good in communicating. Some excuse that, others don't. This is a multi-million dollar game, and the makers would not know how to run their PR? Somehow I am not buying that. It's convenient for them to continue to separate information about issues which will impact the game, thus the announcement for the patch only mentions the patch, and players find out about store changes only because they find an e-mail or because they browse a little bit more on the forums.
This 'division' of information is not an accident. There is always a nice explanation when people mention this, but it makes people wary of the catch. In this case, the catch is armour in the store. And I doubt that armour will make it to the patch notes.

B. Nah, see A. They could announce store and game changes in one big announcement.

C. The post I quoted was not refering to that information, but to a third party site. I found out because someone here mentioned an e-mail, I did not find the information easily on the forums myself.

[WickedWitch99]

Store updates aren't mentioned in patch notes (as usual). So that's why the store team sends out notices of 'coming soon'.

Just like this thread is a discussion of the update, and the other thread is a discussion of the store items. If we're done discussing the update/fixes and only wish to discuss the store items, we can close this thread and re-direct comments to the store items thread.

I have a question

Does the game have to be updated when something new hits the store?
With other words, does the patch include both fixes and the 'new' store items?

If so, do the store team and the patch team time those patches?

[toga]

add stat gear to the store

Just came back to say "I told you so" to all those people who said I was wrong way back when.

Hope everyone is still having fun and can find happiness with that. As for me, no regrets in my choices.

[Zarador]

Just came back to say "I told you so" to all those people who said I was wrong way back when.

Hope everyone is still having fun and can find happiness with that. As for me, no regrets in my choices.

Funny thing is, those who you told way back then did not care then, nor do they care now. The only difference being that many of them continue to play and enjoy the game, while sadly, you are still irked by a game you no longer play. Very sad, really.

[monteeburns]

Funny thing is, those who you told way back then did not care then, nor do they care now.

I think you're someway off the mark here. The store feedback thread shows this has made a lot of people see things in a very different light. Even many who have been previously been very supportive. And if people really don't care now, when are they going to care?

If people really don't care as you say, then it is a total free for all for Turbine and the store, and soon Gold, medallions, end game armour and just about everything else will be in there. Turbine have already proved they will go back on what they've said. So why should the store additions suddenly stop at stat armour? We all know now they're going to take this to the limits of what they think they can get away with, and possibly further. Justifying their actions only encourages them to push things one notch further into asian mmo scummery.

The soul of the game has been sold through the store, little by little. Soon there will be no soul left to sell. Then what?

[Roberto_the_First]

Will there be a fix to the Gravenwood quests i.e. Silent Riders' quest chain?

I certainly hope so. It was very frustrating to run into an invisible NPC...