Update 6 BR testing

[Erasluindor]

I just got into bullroarer and was wondering if anyone knew how to actually fire the new DC? i cant put the clicky in my skillbar.
Plz wardens go and test the new build. I have already ./bugged masteries not always working correctly in battle preperation (epic skill btw) lets get those buggs flushed out!

Orion can the different buffs from gambits have different icons? its getting confusing to see the shield bash icon build on my buffbar 3-5 different times for 3-5 different buffs. Ill post more questions as i come across them. We could use a Q&A.

[Balagast]

I hadn't even realized that bullroarer got patched with the U6 stuff ... I shall have to go DL it now and check it out.

[Erasluindor]

its up and running! they didnt clear the character copy tho... im in such horrid gear on BR.. 4/6 of the dragon junk and quest ####.. so far im loving warden 2.0 though!

[baranhir]

i'm just downloading the bullroarer to try out those improvements *hopes*...there will be a tool fro character copy?

[Mysterion]

i'm just downloading the bullroarer to try out those improvements *hopes*...there will be a tool fro character copy?

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...Copy-AVAILABLE

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...vern-AVAILABLE

If you can't copy your chars it doesn't take much work to gear out a fresh 75 in pvmp gear in the Eyes and Guard. Maybe they'll even have raid ready packages this time...crosses fingers.

[eethan]

I can't copy my character as it is still there from November... however I can't log in with him either as it just hangs.. when I click on him...

Guess this means no testing the new updates for me and that really really sucks....

And I did copy another toon just fine and logged him with him. So it's nothing more then my previous copied toons. Of the toon neither of them worked and deleting one does not allow me to recopy him ... so my Warden is now in limbo... on the server and unable to log him in even from the november update.

[Iznogoot]

I'm not on my desktop which has the BR server, so I can't really test out the new content until evening. Those of you who can, please post feedback on warden forum so we can all discuss. Please also post them on 3 different thread: DPS/Ranged DPS/Tank so it's easier to read. Thank you a lot. See you guys in BR sometimes this evening.

[danno8]

All right some quick impressions after about an hour on BR.

Battle Prep: Amazing. You can prepare as many gambits as you want in the 15 seconds that battle prep is up. Not enough time? Just click battle prep again and keep going. DBL builders have no CD while in battle prep which makes building gambits very fast. In 15 seconds I can easily get up SM, Dance of War, shield Tactics and maybe one more. Sweet.

On a side note as of right now battle prep does not deactivate in battle. Not sure if this is WAI or not. This means I can hit battle prep run into battle and spam 5 Warden triumph in a row for instance (due to no cd on the dbl builders).

BPE: We can overcap partial bpe's. My partial block was regularily at around 23% with the right gambits.
BPE seemed to be around 25/18/23, when I was checking. Keep in mind I do not have any good rotations down right now.

Self heals: Seem much bigger to me for some reason.

Assailment: It works and you can kill stuff at range. Seems a bit clunky but effective.

DbtD has no morale limit anymore, gives you an immediate amount of power (200-300) and a 2% powewr return evey 4 seconds for 16 seconds.

Just some quick observations on my behalf. Gotta go get the kids from school!

[MeLoWaR]

All right some quick impressions after about an hour on BR.

Battle Prep: Amazing. You can prepare as many gambits as you want in the 15 seconds that battle prep is up. Not enough time? Just click battle prep again and keep going. DBL builders have no CD while in battle prep which makes building gambits very fast. In 15 seconds I can easily get up SM, Dance of War, shield Tactics and maybe one more. Sweet.

On a side note as of right now battle prep does not deactivate in battle. Not sure if this is WAI or not. This means I can hit battle prep run into battle and spam 5 Warden triumph in a row for instance (due to no cd on the dbl builders).

BPE: We can overcap partial bpe's. My partial block was regularily at around 23% with the right gambits.
BPE seemed to be around 25/18/23, when I was checking. Keep in mind I do not have any good rotations down right now.

Self heals: Seem much bigger to me for some reason.

Assailment: It works and you can kill stuff at range. Seems a bit clunky but effective.

DbtD has no morale limit anymore, gives you an immediate amount of power (200-300) and a 2% powewr return evey 4 seconds for 16 seconds.

Just some quick observations on my behalf. Gotta go get the kids from school!

Bold parts ! Sweet !

[Erasluindor]

Ill list a couple of things you can expect in BR.
-Healing. Orion gave us more and better! We are healing gods. Restoration heals me for 473 a tick in #### gear since im not in my live build atm on br. also heals can crit. im self healing some spikes as high as 800.
-B/E/P and Partial B/E/P. Wow... Everything gives BEP and lots of it! paritials overcap and you can nearly cap all normal BEP thro buffs. We can avoid a ton.
-crit defense. Im getting around 15% critical hit avoidances and the 6 seconds of crit immunity has no cooldown. (thank you for losing that Orion!)
-stance dancing in the moors. when a creep is getting sick of you they can run away and place a slow debuff on you. Now we can stance dance to assailment and finish them off on the run. <3
-Lifetaps. Im not entirely impressed with the lifetaps, but they are efficient. EoB taps around 150ish morale out of an opponent and into you. Fierce Resolve does about 80.
-Defiant Challenge. No way to use it that im aware of. its a clicky skill but still shows up under gambits in the skills panel and cannot be dragged to the skillbar.
-Mitigation. No change here. 50% caps. I havent run any raids on BR yet, but i feel alot sturdier just through our heals. We can take a punishment that not many classes can now. The spike damage is reduced due to getting nearly 5k crit defense with buffs up.
-Battle Preparation. Pure Awesome! i was worried this skill would take too much time and would leave us hated due to everyone having to wait. NOPE! its masteries have no cooldown! you can build multiple gambits in one battle prep! its easy to hit off shield mastery/DoW/Conviction while running into a fight. you can also front load an EoB and fire it right as you spawn mobs. Might be my new opener Brilliant job on BP Orion.
-Spear Shield Mastery. only adds a spear icon. This has been ./bugged already but i encourage you all to do this.
-Dark Before the Dawn. No morale threshold! Just fire it off for PoT and enjoy staying valid in long fights longer!
-Moors. Ha. haha.. hahahaha... just go experience it for yourself!

Ill be adding more thoughts as i get into instances later. These are preliminary thoughts on tanking and i have to say, Great work Orion! I feel sturdy! Sturdier than ever actually!

[MeLoWaR]

Can you also share the pvp set and its barter values please ?

And also check if the orthanc set bonuses have changed for dps sets ?

[Beornded]

What happens if you build defiant challenge the old way? since it doesn't seem to clicky like was advertised. Probably just a bug.... i hope

[Jeger_Wulf]

Ill list a couple of things you can expect in BR.
-Healing. Orion gave us more and better! We are healing gods. Restoration heals me for 473 a tick in #### gear since im not in my live build atm on br. also heals can crit. im self healing some spikes as high as 800.
-B/E/P and Partial B/E/P. Wow... Everything gives BEP and lots of it! paritials overcap and you can nearly cap all normal BEP thro buffs. We can avoid a ton.

It seems that these changes might really put us over the top when solo or in small instances. What is your experience?

[Erasluindor]

It seems that these changes might really put us over the top when solo or in small instances. What is your experience?

in solo and small instances we are godly. But i hope we dont experience a nerf because we can spend an hour grinding a 3 man run that could be done in 15 mins w a good group

[Solyaris]

Keep the feedback coming! Maybe there's a light in the end of the tunnel! The healing increase def. look nice!

May I ask: is the duration the same? For HoTs that is

[Protoss360]

13% and 4hrs it says while downloading. Great work on giving us feedback as it seems we are allot better. Any more news on DC?

[Morat]

I saw it confirmed by Sapience in another thread that they do not plan to allow clearing of an already transfered character for Update 6. I don't know how I'm going to be able to give Warden 2.0 a full test with the very outdated version of Gurgeh currently on BR. Any advice?

[nelar]

It seems that these changes might really put us over the top when solo or in small instances. What is your experience?

Determination stance removes the DoT component of Power, Might, and Unerring -- so while you are more survivable, your DPS has been lowered. I've already been in an Instance solo where I couldn't kill the mobs (they had a healer which I couldn't generate enough DPS to kill) nor could they kill me. Recklessness lost the HoTs, so it's going to be a bit tougher to solo DPS difficult content and stay alive. Assailment doesn't seem to me as viable solo -- if you start a spear gambit and the mob gets into melee range, you can't use the gambit. Nor can you just switch stances -- you have to cancel the stance (which wipes any gambit you had built) -- or clear the gambit and use only fist and shield gambits.

My sense is that we could previously combine DPS with survivability, neither of which were super effective. Now we can choose one or the other but we don't get both automatically. I currently don't have a way to compare live versus test DPS numbers, but my impression is that it hasn't changed for solo play. We may be able to solo difficult content, but with the lower DPS while tanking, it's going to take a long time to complete...

[Iznogoot]

Slightly reduced the physical and tactical mitigations found on all “Steadfast Protector” / “Iron Will” Spear, Shield, and Fist Warden carvings.

For crying out loud, not again.

[danno8]

-crit defense. Im getting around 15% critical hit avoidances and the 6 seconds of crit immunity has no cooldown. (thank you for losing that Orion!)

I saw a 20 second cooldown on the crit immunity.

Eidt: oops, sorry I read crit immunity as stun immunity (ie after shield tactics). There is a 20 second stun immunity cd after the expiration of the stun immunity buff.

[Erasluindor]

Keep the feedback coming! Maybe there's a light in the end of the tunnel! The healing increase def. look nice!

May I ask: is the duration the same? For HoTs that is

24 second duration on the heals. They stack alot easier now with more room for threat and buffs inbetween.

[spelunker]

I was in BR for about 30 minutes messing around with stuff. As far as I can tell, DC is not useable in-game. Even when the legendary is slotted, it does not appear in my Active or Gambit skill tabs. Manually building it (Fi-sp-fi-sp-fi) does not bring it up and just executes a SoV.

I too am stuck with my pre-U5 build which is frustrating in many ways, especially since i have completely reworked all my LIs and have no idea what several of the legacies that were on there before were. Even with 5/6 draigoch gear and mostly crafted jewelry, determination felt silly powerful vs landscape mobs. When U5 was on BR i tested myself soloing one of the trolls inside Isengard (the 70K ones). At the time, in Live, with food active, it was a challenge. On BR during the U5 build it was not overly difficult, but still required my undivided attention. On BR now, again with the exact same gear, it was embarrassingly easy. At one point, i was going back and forth in /tells with someone about the warden changes, looked up, and saw i had 0 active buffs and my morale was at 2k. I fired off SM and built up all my HoTs and in about 10s was at full health.

Also, not having to morale surf with DBtD is certainly easy and convenient, but it does take some of the trill out of soloing.

Now i need to try out some ToO. (just wish i had my current gear to make a more fair comparison)

[Iznogoot]

Does warden Conviction stacks now when there are more than 1 warden in a group?

[Erasluindor]

13% and 4hrs it says while downloading. Great work on giving us feedback as it seems we are allot better. Any more news on DC?

DC isnt working. You cannot even use it. I see no mitigation bonus added to it in the tooltip either. Im assuming this just hasnt beed added. the 7.5 min cooldown would be pretty worthless for a skill that only has reflective damage.

I saw a 20 second cooldown on the crit immunity.

Ill look at this again and get back to you. Thanks for pointing that out

[danno8]

Determination stance removes the DoT component of Power, Might, and Unerring -- so while you are more survivable, your DPS has been lowered. I've already been in an Instance solo where I couldn't kill the mobs (they had a healer which I couldn't generate enough DPS to kill) nor could they kill me. Recklessness lost the HoTs, so it's going to be a bit tougher to solo DPS difficult content and stay alive. Assailment doesn't seem to me as viable solo -- if you start a spear gambit and the mob gets into melee range, you can't use the gambit. Nor can you just switch stances -- you have to cancel the stance (which wipes any gambit you had built) -- or clear the gambit and use only fist and shield gambits.

My sense is that we could previously combine DPS with survivability, neither of which were super effective. Now we can choose one or the other but we don't get both automatically. I currently don't have a way to compare live versus test DPS numbers, but my impression is that it hasn't changed for solo play. We may be able to solo difficult content, but with the lower DPS while tanking, it's going to take a long time to complete...

Yes I noticed that too. I quickly jumped into a lvl 75 School instance in tanking gear(quest+galtrev quartermaster), and determination and my morale never dropped a beat. Pulled 2 leaders 2 archers and 4 normals. Felt like my old self again.

BUT, it was v_e_r_y__s_l_o_w.

Also since you can get your block to 25 and partial block to 23%, and we get a trait that returns 1% morale on block or partial block.... let's just say it procs a lot.