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  1. #101
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymphonic View Post
    Great. Now I have the theme song in my head. The originals were the best. My favorite was with William Shatner seeing that weird monster on the airplane wing.
    HAHA this is getting good now



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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Try reading through our posts first. I said, I WANT IT TO COME WITH ROR.

    Apparently I am the only one who wants it to be freely added to RoR...?

    This place is like the twilight zone.
    So what should be the incentive for paying cash only for a pre-order then?
    1. Cosmetics were ruled out with the debacle over ROI. Everyone was up in arms over that one.
    2. Discounts? The TP crowd blew a cork over that one.
    3. Useful in game items? Well, you see where that one is going in this thread.
    4. Fluff? Collectors sure don't want that. Everything should be in game.
    5. Potions and the lot? That's an unfair advantage to some here.

    So I guess basically they could give us an in game title that says "I paid 1st!" and see how that flies! (Someone will cite that they are a lifer/founder though...here we go again!)
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandella View Post
    Right. Turbine went to a microtransaction model, [SNIP] ...
    Microtransaction? Sure I saw a horse up there for around 3k TP
    The Balrog lives!! Oh, and give MECCG a try.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    You are a strange man. If you want it, you are forced to pay.
    If you decide to get it, you pay. If you decide not to pay (you don't want, you think it costs too much, etc, etc.) you don't get it. There is no "force" involved any more than in any retail establishment. It's an exchange of "money" for "goods"...entirely voluntary.

    Is this some subtle flaming over improper use of grammar?
    Nope. Your grammar is fine. Now if you wanted to address the use of hyperbole...then you *might* have something.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarador View Post
    So what should be the incentive for paying cash only for a pre-order then?
    This is kind of a crazy idea but ...
    How about just make the Expansion so good that people will want to buy it when they know exactly what is in it.

    Or this ...
    Make VIP worth while so you have some steady income from subs. Include things like extra bags. Make the game so good that people will want to come and sub - like they do in other MMOs.

    Edit: Thought of one more crazy idea: tell your customers exactly what they will be buying, and have the product so good that they will be happy buying it (short version: no games, no tricks, no being vague for marketing reasons). Wouldn't that be funny?
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindir View Post
    This is kind of a crazy idea but ...
    How about just make the Expansion so good that people will want to buy it when they know exactly what is in it.

    Or this ...
    Make VIP worth while so you have some steady income from subs. Include things like extra bags. Make the game so good that people will want to come and sub - like they do in other MMOs.

    Edit: Thought of one more crazy idea: tell your customers exactly what they will be buying, and have the product so good that they will be happy buying it (short version: no games, no tricks, no being vague for marketing reasons). Wouldn't that be funny?
    Must say I am with you on all 3 of these. I am starting to get a feeling that Turbine are not too sure on the best way forward with their revenue and how to nudge (push) folks into that future.
    The Balrog lives!! Oh, and give MECCG a try.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by whheydt View Post
    If you decide to get it, you pay. If you decide not to pay (you don't want, you think it costs too much, etc, etc.) you don't get it. There is no "force" involved any more than in any retail establishment. It's an exchange of "money" for "goods"...entirely voluntary.



    Nope. Your grammar is fine. Now if you wanted to address the use of hyperbole...then you *might* have something.

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    Why flame people over garbage? You know what I meant. Why be so negative?

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Why flame people over garbage? You know what I meant. Why be so negative?
    I see no flaming or him being negative at all. Furthermore being forced & choosing are 2 different things.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Eartholloth View Post
    I see no flaming or him being negative at all. Furthermore being forced & choosing are 2 different things.
    I think "flaming" and "being negative" is slightly inaccurate in this usage - but engine kid is being given a hard time for the choice of one word - when his meaning was clear.

    Do you really not understand what enginekid is saying? He was attacked on his language, not his meaning. His meaning was perfectly clear to me, and he used forced correctly. The problem with language is that one sentence can be correctly interpreted in different ways - meaning you can use words or a phrase to mean different things.

    Kind of ridiculous for wh to talk about force as in physics: "there is no force". Further proof words can have multiple uses and meanings.

    Engine correctly said you are forced to pay - meaning you have no other way to get the bag. It does not come as a VIP so you are forced to buy it - meaning there is no other option to obtain it. Engine kid never said "someone is forcing me to buy this - I have no choice". He said, there is only one way to get it. As in, to get to place A, you are forced to go through place B - there is no other way.

    This was completely clear to me and I am sure others. Maybe you come from a region where this word is never used this way - but in the US east and west coast - the meaning is clear - unless you just want to nitpick and argue or pick at his words because you disagree with his meaning.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindir View Post
    This is kind of a crazy idea but ...
    How about just make the Expansion so good that people will want to buy it when they know exactly what is in it.

    Or this ...
    Make VIP worth while so you have some steady income from subs. Include things like extra bags. Make the game so good that people will want to come and sub - like they do in other MMOs.

    Edit: Thought of one more crazy idea: tell your customers exactly what they will be buying, and have the product so good that they will be happy buying it (short version: no games, no tricks, no being vague for marketing reasons). Wouldn't that be funny?
    or just do away with f2p all together and go back to subscription......*hears high pitched screaming* Incoming!! *ducks*
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  11. #111

    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Try reading through our posts first. I said, I WANT IT TO COME WITH ROR.

    Apparently I am the only one who wants it to be freely added to RoR...? ...
    You´re not the only one. Free stuff rocks.
    But you´re being a bit dramatic and contradictory about it.

    We can, at the moment, state or assume 3 things:
    - Preorder opens the bag. Nothing indicates for or against that it wont come with a post-release buy of RoR
    - The bag will appear in the LotrO store in any case
    - The LotroStore version of RoR likely will not contain the bag, based on that none of the webstore version "gifts" were included with that

    You state in the very first post that you do usually buy things in the store when they are on-sale. So based on that and the informed guesswork above, you will not be eligible to get it for "free" (everyone will still be paying for it, one way or the other) in any case.

    Lastly, someone else said that several steps taken by Turbine over the last year have reduced the inventory load in any case. Personally, I find that a sixth bag (without a non-complicated method to actually organize these bags) will merely serve as another piece that clutters my screen that is already taken up by the UI and plugins. I´d rather have them use the Westfold crafting system applied to the lower level crafting, for example.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    I think it is safe to assume it will be made available later in one way or another. They will likely delay the announcement that it will be in the store as much as possible, in order to maximize pre-orders. Yet they would know that not everyone would preorder even if it was the only way to get the extra bag. Not to mention the people who will be joining the game after the chance to preorder is over. Why waste a perfect opportunity to increase store sales?

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Why flame people over garbage? You know what I meant. Why be so negative?
    You have been here for 42 years (heh) and it still surprises you when some people deliberately miss your perfectly clear and valid point and attack you over nonsense?

    I've said this many times before. This community is not mature. Brace yourself for the worst.
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Why flame people over garbage? You know what I meant. Why be so negative?
    If you think that was a flame, then you have led an extremely sheltered life.

    Want to see real flaming? Go read a couple weeks worth of a unsenet newsgroup like talk.origins...but be sure to order in a set of asbestos garments first.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindir View Post
    Do you really not understand what enginekid is saying? He was attacked on his language, not his meaning. His meaning was perfectly clear to me, and he used forced correctly. The problem with language is that one sentence can be correctly interpreted in different ways - meaning you can use words or a phrase to mean different things.
    Not only did I understand what he said, I understood what he meant.

    However, there is NO force involved with the premium wallet. If you want the wallet, you have to pay for it...just like any other commercial exchange. There is no requirement to get the wallet...hence, no force.

    What was engaged in was hyperbole by using the term "forced".

    In a year when Turbine comes up with some new, highly desirable, addition for characters, we may well see assertions that people were (this year) "forced" to buy the 6th pack. That won't be a legitimate claim any more that people were "forced" to buy the premium wallet. In neither case is anyone exercising coercion (that is, SOCIAL/ECONOMIC "force").

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by whheydt View Post
    In a year when Turbine comes up with some new, highly desirable, addition for characters, we may well see assertions that people were (this year) "forced" to buy the 6th pack. That won't be a legitimate claim any more that people were "forced" to buy the premium wallet. In neither case is anyone exercising coercion (that is, SOCIAL/ECONOMIC "force").
    1. No one said this - that was not what E. meant. No one is saying *have* to buy the wallet or bag. You are arguing against what no one said.
    2. We all agree that this did not happen: "that people were "forced" to buy the premium wallet." You are missing the meaning of what he said - put it in context of his last few posts. His meaning is that there are no other options to get the 6th bag other than buying it - and that there should be these options.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    HAHA this is getting good now


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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    So far, all we know is bag 6 will be included in the RoR preorder package(s).

    We cannot assume at this time that it will or will not:
    1) be included in the RoR postrelease package(s)
    2) be included in VIP
    3) be available for purchase with TP

    Personally, I am completely expecting that it will be available via #1 and #3, and not really expecting #2 (bags 4 and 5 are included with VIP but their wording on the RoR preorder seems to me like they're setting up a dichotomy).
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymphonic View Post
    Wow, I can't believe how young he looks.
    Have you seen him lately? He is like Dick Clark. Shatner is in his 80's yet he looks and acts so much younger. I always loved Shatner since Star Trek.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    It's pretty obvious that this is an incentive to get people to spend money on the expansion, as opposed to simply using their accumulated turbine points on the content in it. Hopefully this means they won't be dividing it up and having it cost twice as much in TP as dollars. Carrots work much better than sticks, IMHO.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Have you seen him lately? He is like Dick Clark. Shatner is in his 80's yet he looks and acts so much younger. I always loved Shatner since Star Trek.
    Ya, Shatner is only a year and a half younger then Dick Clark, so sad about him passing away last month RIP


    Edit to clarify: William Shatner is still kicking, it was Dick Clark that passed away.
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by enginekid View Post
    Can we get a clarification on this?
    I don't think Turbine knows yet. They've just put in hooks for this ability so it's brand new. They're probably getting input from marketing departments, running calculations to see what a good price is, etc. It's probably not entirely guaranteed that it will be a pre-order enticement.

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Lohi View Post
    I don't think Turbine knows yet. They've just put in hooks for this ability so it's brand new. They're probably getting input from marketing departments, running calculations to see what a good price is, etc. It's probably not entirely guaranteed that it will be a pre-order enticement.
    At this point, if it *isn't* part of the pre-order, there will be....issues. (Although it's not like people don't have issues already, but the inclusion in the pre-order was pretty much a flat statement that it will be.)

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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cindir View Post
    I am beginning to think that there are two camps here:
    1) people who think Turbine are nickle and diming - and who have limited money to spend.
    2) people who have those shiny powerful computers and who could not care less if Turbine charges a lot of extra TP on top of a sub fee for a basic game feature like a bag. These people don't mind at all to pay in advance for RoR.

    My evidence:



    Hex, I know - it was a joke. Still, mighty different perspective if you have plenty of money to spend on entertainment, or do not have it.
    I have $10 a month. But I save it up because the game is free. Literally $10 a month. Wife mandated.
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Lohi View Post
    They're probably getting input from marketing departments, running calculations to see what a good price is, etc.
    They use a simple formula to determine the price: TP = # of related posts x 10.

    So the cost will be 1230 TP. Sorry, 1240 TP after my post. :P
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    Re: Sixth inventory bag will be made available as part of Riders of Rohan pre-purchas

    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg View Post
    They use a simple formula to determine the price: TP = # of related posts x 10.

    So the cost will be 1230 TP. Sorry, 1240 TP after my post. :P
    So the solution is for everyone to delete their posts so the cost is 0! Brilliant :P
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