To those transferring to Laurelin, a message:

[Calead]

Final note on your arrogant tone all accross this thread:
You are NOT the spokesman of WW, you are NOT the spokesman of its players (of your kin if that much). Your ego may be to inflated with your GALA title but remember one thing that title brings you closer to Turbine than to the players.
If you want to be Turbine's spokesman in this server go ahead its up to them.

Literally couldn't have put it better myself. I'm glad it isn't me that is going insane and my OP did make sense. Thank you for taking the time to do this Vent, I wouldn't have had the patience LOL, I just feel it is such a shame that, on a thread about transfers, the 'community' of WW is really making a bad name for itself thanks to one person who assumes that he is the WW community. I agree with you when you said not to use 'us', I'm pretty sure he doesn't voice the opinion of the vast majority of the server.. I just feel it's such a shame that this post has turned from helpful into pages of one person trolling and QQing :/

Thanks again Vento.

[Calead]

You sure the sun isnt shining in the PC? i thought it was, wait lemme open the basement doors....oh wait i dont live in a basement and ur making asumptions about my personal life :P

Irony? Hypocrisy?

Do you realise that him 'making an assumption' (an assumption which wasn't there) was pretty much counteracted by you, clearly, making the assumption he lives in a basement...

I know they say don't feed the trolls but, really Lando, this is just getting pathetic now, please, leave this post alone - I'm sick of the trolling and flaming, your arguments are clearly blinded by rage and twisted and warped opinions, just let everyone have their own say and stop soiling this post with prepubescent garbage - and yes, that was an assumption -

Cal

[Landrovas]

Irony? Hypocrisy?

Do you realise that him 'making an assumption' (an assumption which wasn't there) was pretty much counteracted by you, clearly, making the assumption he lives in a basement...

I know they say don't feed the trolls but, really Lando, this is just getting pathetic now, please, leave this post alone - I'm sick of the trolling and flaming, your arguments are clearly blinded by rage and twisted and warped opinions, just let everyone have their own say and stop soiling this post with prepubescent garbage - and yes, that was an assumption -

Cal

I was making a joke about me not seeing the sun because i was living in a basement. Wasnt saying that he was living in a basement. Read better mate, it should have been clear.

And if this was a prepubescent rage i would have said something in the line of: "Dunt nid moar nabs and noobs **** %$#@#% leave this server ^%$##%^ bla bla bla" or something like that. And really now, do i sound like a kid to you? If so you make me try and be even more condescending and elevated (but then people will think im even more arrogant).

Except irony and cinical jokes i was civilised. Please do read my post until i have been attacked in a personal way. If people cant stand irony thats not my problem (after a certain uber rage filled with envy i still managed to be partially civilised). Im surrounded by smart enough people in real life so they get irony and jokes, why is it that when i do em on this forum everybody gets personally attacked?.

And Cal the post you made has long lost its meaning in this thread. The off topic portion of it grew bigger. And please read the thread, i didnt even start the off-topic talk. I merely asked at one point what was the actual reason of this topic (long after the fights began). Really have no idea why everybody jumped me since i didnt even start the off-topic fight. I merely fueled it since it was a topic that interested me.

I suggest you ask a mod to close the thread. Usually when posts like the ones before this start appearing its time for that. Not to mention the fact that as a OP you should not tolerate people being insulted in the face in your thread.

[Landrovas]

Literally couldn't have put it better myself. I'm glad it isn't me that is going insane and my OP did make sense. Thank you for taking the time to do this Vent, I wouldn't have had the patience LOL, I just feel it is such a shame that, on a thread about transfers, the 'community' of WW is really making a bad name for itself thanks to one person who assumes that he is the WW community. I agree with you when you said not to use 'us', I'm pretty sure he doesn't voice the opinion of the vast majority of the server.. I just feel it's such a shame that this post has turned from helpful into pages of one person trolling and QQing :/

Thanks again Vento.

Oh please guyz you make me sick. Stop posing in anything but helpfull with your posts in this thread. The OP would have been helpful if an army of people stated they will transfer to Laurelin. But it was a just a kin and they had long filed their transfer request by the time you kindly showed them the dangers of naming. Yes you wanted to make a good deed Calead but again there was no point in bringing the fact WW was dieing into the topic. You say im a hypocrite. But what are you? You have still to tell me why you added that final phrase in your post if not to start a talk about the dieing WW.

And for the record the general oppinion on WW is that the server is NOT dieing. And the general oppinion is that talks and threads about a dieing WW are pathetic and boring. So even if i dont speak for the server my oppinions do match its trend.

When i make a mistake i always admit it. Is it so hard Calead to admit that you WANTED to emphasize the state of WW in your original post?

As for Vento's rage, im sad you actually agreed with it. So much hatred and even envy in it. Was really a personal attack, uncalled for to.

[mattbell]

Hi Guys & Girls.

I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty of individual arguments of which I can't really pass any judgement as its really none of my business, and I have bigger fish to fry.

However, I will pass comment on what I have seen.

initial comment by Cal "Thanks for reading the post and I hope that wherever you transfer too, Laurelin or otherwise, you have more fun and enjoy the game much more than Withywindle which, as I understand it, is completely dead now."

Withywindle as a server is NOT Dead or Dying, people have complained about people not being on the server for sometime--the answer to this that they have come up with is 'they' have not stayed on Withywindle to make a difference but have 'bailed' out to lands which they believe to be 'Greener', they have not just upped and left quietly though--they have tried to justify their reasons for leaving for having a dig at the players and gameplay on the server which is a little underhand, and of course they try to spread this contempt etc by getting other people to leave too, and have advertised their personal grievances on global chat.

They have spent their own money in doing this which is fine--after all-- no server for LOTRO is a concentration camp. All are welcome to their own opinions and play the game how they see fit.

The Point I'm really trying to make here is that the people that have dissed Withywindle for being dead have compounded any particular issues by leaving the servers anyway.

New people are coming onto the WW server and I'm glad for that.

I for one, shall remain on Withywindle, whatever is thrown at us either from Sauron and his Minions or indeed the developers.

So if you decide to leave Withywindle or any other server, I say feel free, it's your game but please don't advertise to the World what your personal problems are in trying to justify your move, because it really doesn't matter to the majority of folk that are happy to stay on Withywindle.

Also, Globallff is not necessarily a good way of gauging how many people are on the server.

Due to the 'topics' of conversation and the tittle tattling that has gone on there, I know of many people that refuse to use Globallff because they want to play the game and don't want to hear the humdrum of folks whining and moaning about 'how hard done by they are'.

I know for a fact that in the last Month at least 250 individuals (not member alts) from Brothers In Arms alone (1002/1500 members so any new recruits warmly welcomed), have been online at some point. Not all play 24/7 but not all enable global chat, for the reasons mentioned above.

For your consideration Guys & Girls

Enjoy the game as best you can and please try to be nice towards each other.

See you all in game and enjoy your travels on whatever server you decide for yourself.

Til then--Take Care & Have Fun

Matt

[zrinko]

Beer for me!

[Mirarian]

I guess I am doing things backwards. :P

My Main is on Laurelin but I recently rolled a character on Withy to play when my extensive family is not online. So If anyone sees Catwyn in world on Withy feel free to say hello.

[BerenCamlostEU]

Cant say much about how stable were those kins (but i know for sure that many didnt like eachother in them) but at one point one of the kins just....transfered (blaming ettens which was gravely disfuntional due to arranged fights and non-cooperation).

Just want to bump in here. I no longer play the game in any form, nor do most of the old kin members and the like, but I do haunt these forums every now and then. We didn't leave because of the Ettens. I don't feel the need to specify why we left, because, frankly, I'd like to let it rest, but I just want to clear up this notion you have; the Ettens, nor any sort of PvP in this game, did not have anything to do with II leaving.

Either way, nice initiative Cal. Best to abide by Laurelin's rules if you do intend on moving there.

[Calead]

I no longer play the game in any form

Can I please play on Gwarth?? Haha

Nice to hear from you again, mate - hope you are well

[Xecution]

I cant quite remember why II left Withy now, it had nothing to do with ettens though. Just wanted a more active server as far as i remember.

Just Heard II split up on Laurelin as well and most of the old guys stop playing. That sucks, hence why i don't plan on coming back anytime soon.

I never ended up transferring still got Beard on Withy just gradually stopped playing, once again nothing to do with ettens, iv been playing the game on and off since it was released like 5 years ago.. I have a life time subscription so im sure ill be back at some point.

I still come on the forums from time to time to see whats happening, hope Withy is still active or even more so! Hope there's still some of the old regular guys are still playing.. Hows Withy doing? Someone update me on PVP/kinships/People etc.. Is it worth coming back?

- Beard.

- Edit: I probably should have read this thread before making this post. Seems to answer some questions.

[jivius]

lol this thread started from the alt character ''Sacboy'' and ends with the death of withy..

Whatever it is said, this server will always have its own beauty, that's why many of the players that have transfered to other glorious servers are trying to find way to come back by alts, creeps, foroum posts etc..

If we had good times in this server we should stay and support it..

[Landrovas]

- Edit: I probably should have read this thread before making this post. Seems to answer some questions.

Wouldnt get my answers from this thread really....try the "New players" thread, the raid progress thread, PvP one, "Is this Withywindle", this thread had some anger venting issues. Since there have been literally over 1500 (maybe more much more) new players that have started on Withy (a good portion of them expats from other MMOs, so with experience) i honestly think WW will have a boom of activity just around the launch of RoR when all of those will be aproaching level 75. The only draw back is the agravated server lag (we now have RvR in ettens but it lags like hell for most).