Forced emotes - worse than ever

[Grymrock]

Greetings all!

I am from earlier not happy with the forced emotes cause I spend most of my time 'abusing' the music system to play music with the band 'The Chosen Few' on [En-RP] Laurelin. Not fun when you're doing a concert, got a lovely audience and some sod comes in and spams the room with forced emotes.

Well, up until now those forced emotes did not work on people already doing an emote, like playing an instrument. Now it does. Had a little rehersal last night with the band, and some ramdom fellow did one of those emotes, and the entire band just 'kneeled' in the middle of a tune. &&&....

There is also another thing thats changed, and that is the idle emote on chars not doing anything.
This also takes affect while playing a tune for a couple of minutes. Kind of strange seeing a person in the middle of a heavy lute-solo, putting down the instrument to scratch his arm, before continuing the visual part of the playing.

These things need to be fixed, and fixed fast.

We in The Chosen Few are putting up a big concert called 'Archet Aid' at the 3rd of November, and one 'troll' can in this way totally ruin the event for the majority of people attending it.

Anyone else got the problem?


Best regards
Grymrock Grey
Officer - Order of the Divine Brew
The Chosen Few

[Molen51]

I was never one to complain about forced emotes and even thought some were being a little whiny about it. I have changed my mind. As of late, I have been getting spammed with the stupid emote that makes you pass out on the ground. It has got to the point of being ridiculous. Can we please have a setting where we don't have to be a victim to these constant forced emotes? I know that there will be a small group whose life will no longer have meaning if they can't constantly run around spamming forced emotes.... but this is just silly.

[Grymrock]

That emote is the 'black glove' emote obtainable from the harvest festival that have just passed, and it is another 'gem' the devs have added to the game. You need to purchase 300 items of the 'emote-item', then slap someone 300 times (like a deed) to get the /<slap with glove> emote as a skill....

[SalionOfBrothers]

I was never one to complain about forced emotes and even thought some were being a little whiny about it. I have changed my mind. As of late, I have been getting spammed with the stupid emote that makes you pass out on the ground. It has got to the point of being ridiculous. Can we please have a setting where we don't have to be a victim to these constant forced emotes? I know that there will be a small group whose life will no longer have meaning if they can't constantly run around spamming forced emotes.... but this is just silly.

That is where the emoters seems to not understand. They think that just because they can only throw one out every 5 minutes its not something the happens often, but as an emotee you can get emoted over and over in a vey short period of time. I did not care about them that much either, until I got one of the fall down ones 3 times in less than 30 seconds, as I ran through town to turn in a quest.

[Whart]

Sorry that happened to you guys. It is really frustrating when group activities are interrupted.

One thing I might suggest is that you create a separate thread about the idle character animation during music play, because that may not be something that the devs know about yet, if it is new with this update. Forced emote threads degenerate into arguments very quickly, and this animation issue will get buried and not noticed by the right people. Or you may want to add the issue to the thread about undocumented RoR changes here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...mented-Changes

Best of luck with your upcoming concert!

[Grymrock]

Thank you for the link, and thanks for the good luck wish :-)
Its going to be splendid, and it is open for all servers too (all you need is a fresh-out-of-introduction fellow to attend ).

[Fratonia]

I didn't mind forced emotes so far. Of course it was annoying if someone started such an emote while I was dancing on the Friday concert perfectly in sync with all the other dancers. The most important thing was that the band was safe from these effects.

If it's true that now not even players in musicmode are safe then I see the end of our beloved concerts on Friday evening. We already had our share of idiots trying to cause trouble but so far you could put them on /ignore. This will not help against forced emotes.

[Thorgrum]

Greetings all!

I am from earlier not happy with the forced emotes cause I spend most of my time 'abusing' the music system to play music with the band 'The Chosen Few' on [En-RP] Laurelin. Not fun when you're doing a concert, got a lovely audience and some sod comes in and spams the room with forced emotes.

Well, up until now those forced emotes did not work on people already doing an emote, like playing an instrument. Now it does. Had a little rehersal last night with the band, and some ramdom fellow did one of those emotes, and the entire band just 'kneeled' in the middle of a tune. &&&....

There is also another thing thats changed, and that is the idle emote on chars not doing anything.
This also takes affect while playing a tune for a couple of minutes. Kind of strange seeing a person in the middle of a heavy lute-solo, putting down the instrument to scratch his arm, before continuing the visual part of the playing.

These things need to be fixed, and fixed fast.

We in The Chosen Few are putting up a big concert called 'Archet Aid' at the 3rd of November, and one 'troll' can in this way totally ruin the event for the majority of people attending it.

Anyone else got the problem?


Best regards
Grymrock Grey
Officer - Order of the Divine Brew
The Chosen Few

another excellent example of why forced emotes should not be part of Lotro. Sorry this happened to you, good luck with the concert on the 3rd. If some fool does disrupt the concert please post about it here (within the forum rules) so we can have another example to present to turbine why forced emotes should have a player option to opt out.

[ShinryuLOTR]

Wow, that really is even worse than before. Personally, I'd imagine that the idle animation issue is a separate one (or is at least unintentional but linked to the same issue).

I really do hope this gets fixed, along with FEs in general, sooner rather than later. Best wishes on the concert.

[Ceoholm]

Sorry to hear what happened Grymrock. Here's hoping the upcoming event isn't disrupted.


Turbine, please address the issue of forced emotes.

[manstan]

http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-Forced-Emotes

[Granlu]

First I would like to say, I love the emotes. I am a collector and really like them and enjoy them. I don't mind others using their emotes on me. With that being said, I do know there are times not to use them. I would never use them on anyone playing music, crafting, etc. There is a time and place to have fun with them in my opinion. I do hope lotro fixes them where they are off limits to some activities and I wish you and your band the best.

[Armitas]

I wish we had a band on my server.

It would be cool if they would accommodate bands with a nice stage (forced emote free) and maybe some vendors that sell exclusive items that the band chooses. The band would of course keep the gold spent on the vendors, and the vendors would only be available while turned on by the band.

Some of the items would be food, drink, acceleration tomes, and non forced emotes.

[Jhenox]

They should be made to be purely cosmetic. Like if I am just standing there doing nothing (not currently performing an emote etc,) then it "appears" that I fall down but the moment I move or something then I am instantly running. It should not interrupt anything I am doing but if it just looks like I fell down then, ha ha, good one.

[Dworin]

Things just got worse, not better. It's being reported as a bug, hopefully they'll fix it.

[manstan]

They should be made to be purely cosmetic. Like if I am just standing there doing nothing (not currently performing an emote etc,) then it "appears" that I fall down but the moment I move or something then I am instantly running. It should not interrupt anything I am doing but if it just looks like I fell down then, ha ha, good one.

Thing is that is the issue, or part of it. It's cosmetic more or less anyway, but it is an attack, a violent act committed on your character. You may find it amusing, I don't. When people go out of their way to attack you, it stops being a prank. When you get hit by a dozen in just a few minutes it is not funny, it amounts to a gang beat down of your character.

The real clincher is there is nothing you can do but tolerate it.

[Glenwin]

Some of the LMB tried this out and what happens is this:

A forced emote makes your character perform it's animation cycle while the music keeps playing and you remain in music mode. We tried Command Respect and Irresistible Melody as standard FE's and they make you kneel/dance while the music keeps playing.

A festival item (sorry, I forgot it's name) is able to make you lie down while the music keeps playing. You have to be very careful after that and only tap a cursor key once to make your character stand up but not move because that would break it out of music mode as usual.

Well, of course this is worse than before because it breaks immersion even more than before.

[Trowen]

I know you Grym, Im on Laurelin too, and I loathe forced emotes, no one should be able to force you to do anything.

[Glenwin]

another excellent example of why forced emotes should not be part of Lotro. Sorry this happened to you, good luck with the concert on the 3rd. If some fool does disrupt the concert please post about it here (within the forum rules) so we can have another example to present to turbine why forced emotes should have a player option to opt out.

Yes. We know that the community team has brought all our ideas to the devs and I was told that it will not be fixed with RoR. I'm ok with that, because other things are more important of course.

But now RoR is released and we should bring this matter and our solution on the table again.

Please help us and give your /sign and opinion here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-Forced-Emotes

[Whart]

First I would like to say, I love the emotes. I am a collector and really like them and enjoy them. I don't mind others using their emotes on me. With that being said, I do know there are times not to use them. I would never use them on anyone playing music, crafting, etc. There is a time and place to have fun with them in my opinion. I do hope lotro fixes them where they are off limits to some activities and I wish you and your band the best.

Nice post, and it's great that you enjoy using them in a fun way with others who willingly choose to participate. That is, I believe, what Turbine originally intended when they introduced these.

There is a wide array of feelings about these emotes and how/why/to what degree one likes or dislikes them. We have presented suggestions to Turbine that should satisfy a large variety of players along that spectrum, and the more support we get for those suggestions, the better. I hope that Turbine can implement a solution that allows well-meaning players who do not wish to disrupt others, like yourself, to play the way you wish to, and allows those of us who would rather not engage in that part of the game (or who wish to avoid it at certain times) to play the way we wish to.

[whheydt]

First I would like to say, I love the emotes. I am a collector and really like them and enjoy them. I don't mind others using their emotes on me. With that being said, I do know there are times not to use them. I would never use them on anyone playing music, crafting, etc. There is a time and place to have fun with them in my opinion. I do hope lotro fixes them where they are off limits to some activities and I wish you and your band the best.

In order to forestall discussions about just *which* activities or places should be immune to the effects of forced emotes, I would point out that the logical way to handle that is to permit the decision to be made by each individual player. In threads on this topic, that is referred to as an "opt out toggle", which would allow players decide for themselves if the wish to be affected or not.

--W. H. Heydt

Old Used Programmer

[Thorgrum]

Yes. We know that the community team has brought all our ideas to the devs and I was told that it will not be fixed with RoR. I'm ok with that, because other things are more important of course.

But now RoR is released and we should bring this matter and our solution on the table again.

Please help us and give your /sign and opinion here: http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.p...-Forced-Emotes

Signed. the fact you have a cute hobbit female in your sig has nothing to do with it.

[Abiyah]

I hope that Turbine can implement a solution that allows well-meaning players who do not wish to disrupt others, like yourself, to play the way you wish to, and allows those of us who would rather not engage in that part of the game (or who wish to avoid it at certain times) to play the way we wish to.

If an opt-out toggle is implemented, FE users might just find themselves without targets. It's my own personal opinion that many people who don't even post, let alone read, the forums will use the toggle, as long as it isn't hidden the way the Instance Finder was on it's implementation; and the number of dissatisfied players and ones who are changing their stance from pro-FE to pro-opt out seems to be growing. That may be the reason it's taking Turbine so long to come to grips with this issue, as it would be an admission of a mistake on their part.

[Grymrock]

Thank you all for the replies on this thread. 'Glad' to see its not only us that have experienced this and had a w't'f? experience... Hope the dev's will look into it and at least reset it to how it was before they implemented RoR (think even if you was only smoking you was 'imune' to the forced emotes then?).

That vendor thingie is a good idea, but it should come as a 'hired' npc you could rent for big occasions like huge concerts, birthday parties and summer balls and suchlike. That would have been awesome. You could then stack the npc with the goods you have made with your own crafters and sell as band merch

Signed the petition earlier today, btw.


Best regards
Grymrock Grey.

[maxjenius]

If an opt-out toggle is implemented, FE users might just find themselves without targets.

But remember one key to the opt out solution is that the user still gets credit towards the deed. The only ones who will be upset they can't actually affect other characters will be the griefers, and who cares about them?