Forced emotes - worse than ever

[Glenwin]

Let me first preface this with my stance on the matter, I have absolutely no problem with forced emotes whatsoever. But as a solutions oriented man, I have racked my brain for an answer to end this great travesty of our time.

Simply put, there is only one.

The Turbine store.

This is the only solution to the problem because Turbine will not act unless they make a profit. So why not embrace this and make it a call to action. They either could sell a permanent forced emote opt out or more realistically what they will do, looking at their recent trends, is sell a forced emote opt out buff per hour. While the per hour buff is not the greatest option, it would at least help protect organized events such as these.

And judging by the amount of threads and anger over forced emotes, I do not understand why Turbine has not already cashed in on this goldmine. Call me crazy, but I predict many more people buying forced emote opt out than some tomes for their warsteeds.

Maybe this was Turbine's plan all along.

Na, they are not that smart!

If this happens I am out of here. I was in the team which organized Weatherstock 2012. We had about 500 visitors for about 6 hours. So that would make a nice sale of about 3000 of those items on one day if every visitor would like to be "safe".

Weatherstock is an event to celebrate music and to have fun. It was not invented to support sales in the Turbine Store. And you all can be sure that I would not pay Turbine to finally be safe from idiots they created. That would be plain blackmail.

This idea is not smart, sorry. It's the plain opposite. It would ony cause an uproar of musical RP'ers of epic proportions.

[manstan]

Yes, but pretty much all that I can choose to take part in or not. I have the option
Most of that has a purpose in the game though, I see no purpose to the emotes other then to annoy people.

I mean what is the point of having the black glove skill if not to use it on people? Or any of the emotes for that matter. And some people seem very determined to get those skills, even at the cost of their fellow players. And to what purpose? So they no longer need consumables to annoy people?

My fellow players; for the most part, aren't my enemies. So I am actually being attack by what are supposed to be my allies.




Hey, 3 more hours and I'll have been up for 24, insomnia bites.

[Anwiga]

The point? Fun.
No not your kind of fun, but isn't that the idea behind supporting a toggle?
So that everyone can have their chance at fun?
Not just you.

[Glenwin]

Probably already know or it has been mentioned, but the forced emotes are on a deed. Which makes it worse. I wish we could turn them off ala options panel.

Is it not possible to ignore it if you think it is bad?

[Glenwin]

The point? Fun.
No not your kind of fun, but isn't that the idea behind supporting a toggle?
So that everyone can have their chance at fun?
Not just you.

Agreed. But at a concert the band and almost everyone in the audience want to be safe from other people's pranking-fun. What I would like to hear is an official statement from a Turbine Rep why it is not possible to grant it to those who want it. And everyone else: You don't need to try to find an answer for them.

The only way to get a solution or at least a statement on the matter is to talk to Turbine staff.

Sapience, I am sure you are reading this thread: What is Turbine's stance on this issue? Why is there no solution to this problem, it has been years already? Do you really want to read these threads and never solve the problem? Isn't this even annoying you already?

[Iorothiel]

I would not pay Turbine to finally be safe from idiots they created.

I hate to nitpick (ah, heck with it, I love to) but an idiot is an idiot, no matter what his tools are. They'll find another way. I have (as I've said numerous times) seen a wedding ruined with no forced emotes at all to be found.

Because someone followed the crowd and did /dance_hobbit between the bride and groom. Twice. His mere presence was a pestilence, a bleeding pustule of idiocy...so it's of course, the fault of the dance he was doing, and not the fact that he was a raging carpnugget.

Oh, I'm sure he's reading this and loves the attention, though...but you'll never be safe.


/obligatory optoutplox

[Grymrock]

People tend to forget that emotes are consumables. A person can only have so many consumables on them at once. Most people who do tend to collect 300 for the skill are actually very responsible in using them on people they either know or know won't get their panties in a bunch about forced emotes. Though people who go AFK get hit the most even without known "consent" because the person AFK won't even notice the emote.

Greetings all again.

First a note to the above quote.
No it is not. All the Forced Emotes for groups of people are skills by certain classes, like the 'irressistible dance' that Minstrels can make everyone in a radius do. These was the ones that have been changed, and my major concern when posting the first post in this thread. (That was what happened to us at the rehearsal).

I am playing, as I have stated before, on the [EN-RP] Laurelin server that is one of two servers that have RP in their servername, and are ment to be for Roleplayers that wants to experience 'life in the middle-earth' as close as one can make it in the frame that Turbine/Codemasters have made it possible. (Landroval is the other server).
I have an understanding that the majority of the people on these servers (and i had the impression that it was so on most of the other servers too) are more mature players than for example WoW got in their paying customers. I am myself what ya might call an 'Oldie' (in my last part of the 30'ies ) and in my experience there is a much bigger change of saying 'hi' to a new player that is in the 25+ than in the 15- part age vise.

So, does the Devs keep that in mind?
We are not a bunch of 10yo that are 'raging' against something our mum forced upon us, but an adult bunch of paying customers that is getting pushed around by changes in the game-structure that is rather silly and very annoying.

I would very much like to hear from someone 'up there' the reason for:
- Why was the Forced Emotes added to the game in the first place?
- Is it a bug or a feature that both the item based and the class based forced emotes now work on people in the middle of other emotes? (like smoking/playing music etc) In other words, was it planned?
- Why have the devs changed the 'Sigh' emote? The new sound is rather bad compared to the original one.
- Why have the devs changed the 'Cheer' emote? Now it does not give any sound at all and are rather pointless
except if ya are in a 'deaf-mute kinship' (not trying to harass deaf or mute people, just trying to make a point of the emote).

Guess there is other emotes that have been changed as well, but those are the one's i've tested and 'scratched my beard' over.

Well, our concert is in two weeks time but I guess we will just have to have a lot of 'silk gloves' spread around our 'guards' for the event, so they can keep the FE pranksters down on the ground during the event. Should not last for more than four hours or so....


Best regards
Grymrock Grey
- Organiser: Archet Aid
- The Chosen Few

[Glenwin]

I hate to nitpick (ah, heck with it, I love to) but an idiot is an idiot, no matter what his tools are. They'll find another way. I have (as I've said numerous times) seen a wedding ruined with no forced emotes at all to be found.

Because someone followed the crowd and did /dance_hobbit between the bride and groom. Twice. His mere presence was a pestilence, a bleeding pustule of idiocy...so it's of course, the fault of the dance he was doing, and not the fact that he was a raging carpnugget.

Oh, I'm sure he's reading this and loves the attention, though...but you'll never be safe.


/obligatory optoutplox

True to some extent, yes. There are people who abuse every system or tool someone gives to them. This is not new for anyone. Companies that make MMO's all have their psychologists who give their advice to the developers. They are dependent on how people react to the hamster wheel in form of a online-game they create. MMO developers use scientific research results to design these games in a way that makes us stay in it. Like crazy grinds and such things. I am no scientist in this area so I don't know. I only can wonder in what way all these FE threads work in their best interest and not against them. They would certainly do something about it if these threads would harm them.

[Dworin]

That's just the way you play, as an RPer. Some people are completionist. These consumables are a part of the game that have an "end goal" and therefore can be completed. Some people are just silly by nature and in game think nothing of this silly aspect.

Anwiga is a level 84. She is a guilded, master eastement scholar. Had an FA weapon and shimmering cloak in the days of RoI (not so long ago). She likes to sync music with her friends when she isn't raiding. She likes to have fun at festivals (even when her raiding party is raiding!). She likes to use emotes because she thinks they are funny. But here comes Rye's clone, he doesn't like people using emotes on him and yells and cries and throws a tantrum. So Anwiga sighs and only uses emotes on people she knows don't mind.

Do you know what Rye's clone just did there? He forced his gameplay style on Anwiga just as he doesn't like Anwiga forcing her's on him. How hypocritical of him. And because of him, and others like him, Anwiga has two bags full of consumables that she rarely gets to use just in case Rye's clone pops a blood vessel in anger. Here's hoping that Anwiga runs into the people she met at the festivals sometime soon! New content sure does fill up inventory bags quickly.

The difference with that scenario is one I have spoken of several times in the past: Action/reaction. Who initiated the action in your scenario? Anwiga. All Rye did was react to what Anwiga did. No hypocrisy involved. Rye does not mind one whit if Anwiga finishes the deed. Just don't do it using Rye as your target dummy.

[crysome]

I only can wonder in what way all these FE threads work in their best interest and not against them. They would certainly do something about it if these threads would harm them.

Here's a hint: Hamster-wheels can have many more forms than you imagine. As long as you care for this stuff you discuss this stuff. Discussing it makes you stay in the game. Staying in the game makes you eventually buy TP or even subscribe and that makes you care for it. Infinite loop. There is no magic behind all this, it's just a complicated way to make money. And the forum admins just make sure we don't insult each other.

[Dworin]

Let me first preface this with my stance on the matter, I have absolutely no problem with forced emotes whatsoever. But as a solutions oriented man, I have racked my brain for an answer to end this great travesty of our time.

Simply put, there is only one.

The Turbine store.

This is the only solution to the problem because Turbine will not act unless they make a profit. So why not embrace this and make it a call to action. They either could sell a permanent forced emote opt out or more realistically what they will do, looking at their recent trends, is sell a forced emote opt out buff per hour. While the per hour buff is not the greatest option, it would at least help protect organized events such as these.

And judging by the amount of threads and anger over forced emotes, I do not understand why Turbine has not already cashed in on this goldmine. Call me crazy, but I predict many more people buying forced emote opt out than some tomes for their warsteeds.

Maybe this was Turbine's plan all along.

Na, they are not that smart!

100% in agreement with Glenwin. If this happened I am out of here, permanently.

[Defiant1]

I've been on the fence with this issue for a long time, but if people can now stop me in the middle of playing a song I'm going to be EXTREMELY upset. I really hope this isn't the case or if it is, it's a bug they'll fix very. very soon. I'm going to give Turbine the benefit of the doubt and hope it got messed up during this launch.

[Glenwin]

I've been on the fence with this issue for a long time, but if people can now stop me in the middle of playing a song I'm going to be EXTREMELY upset. I really hope this isn't the case or if it is, it's a bug they'll fix very. very soon. I'm going to give Turbine the benefit of the doubt and hope it got messed up during this launch.

They can't. After performing the emote tied to the forced emote ability they use on you you return to the playing music animation.

Except for that festival prank thing which makes you lie down. You stay on the ground while the music continues to play. This happened to the whole Andune Ensemble yesterday amidst of playing a song. We then tapped a cursor key to make our characters stand up again and then they returned to music animation.

It's a stupid bug.

[Glenwin]

Maybe we should make a video of it?

I invite everyone to participate in it:

I will be in Bree today at 6 pm /servertime on Landroval and play music for you. And you can put every forced emote on me to illustrate what happens. All that I will fraps and put onto my youtube channel and link it here for the Turbine devs to see.

[Hessli]

I'm against forced emotes, and think they should be removed or should be able to be opted out.

But I do think it's unfair to say that anyone doing it (regardless of circumstance) is griefing, or be in anyway aggressive towards them, because they are just doing what Turbine have told them and allowed them to do.

If Turbine gave away a free kitten for every 100 kill steals, you can't blame people for kill stealing.

All of the anger must go towards Turbine, and not to the players involved in my opinion.

[Dworin]

I'm against forced emotes, and think they should be removed or should be able to be opted out.

But I do think it's unfair to say that anyone doing it (regardless of circumstance) is griefing, or be in anyway aggressive towards them, because they are just doing what Turbine have told them and allowed them to do.

If Turbine gave away a free kitten for every 100 kill steals, you can't blame people for kill stealing.

All of the anger must go towards Turbine, and not to the players involved in my opinion.

It's the players who decide to do, or not do, the festival emotes. Yes, blame Turbine for giving the items and deeds. But also blame the players, who can quite easily decide not to use the emotes on strangers.

If there was a substantial reward for doing the emote deeds, I'd have Rye and a f2p character from my second acct, in my house, casting till the deed was done. If my friends wanted to join me, they'd be welcome so they could get the deed done, too.

What Rye would NOT do, ever, is cast a forced emote on a stranger. No matter what that stranger was doing.

That's how I choose to treat other players - with respect. I expect others to treat Rye in the same manner. If they won't, they have only themselves to blame if I think they are acting like a jerk. Turbine doesn't force anyone to cast those emotes on strangers. That is totally the choice made by the player.

[Hessli]

It's the players who decide to do, or not do, the festival emotes. Yes, blame Turbine for giving the items and deeds. But also blame the players, who can quite easily decide not to use the emotes on strangers.

If there was a substantial reward for doing the emote deeds, I'd have Rye and a f2p character from my second acct, in my house, casting till the deed was done. If my friends wanted to join me, they'd be welcome so they could get the deed done, too.

What Rye would NOT do, ever, is cast a forced emote on a stranger. No matter what that stranger was doing.

That's how I choose to treat other players - with respect. I expect others to treat Rye in the same manner. If they won't, they have only themselves to blame if I think they are acting like a jerk. Turbine doesn't force anyone to cast those emotes on strangers. That is totally the choice made by the player.

I have to disagree, if you put limitations on how you act in game then that's up to you. But how everyone else acts and what is acceptable is governed by Turbine.

It's similar to the sort of PvP discussions you get across MMOs. Where on an open PvP server the developers say "anything goes", but then if someone gets constantly killed as soon as they respawn, or the enemy kills all the NPCs in someone's local village, they moan at the player for doing it.

Turbine have said "go out and perform this forced emote on people, it's ok for you to do it". So people are doing it. The fact that you wouldn't do it personally and therefor think everyone else shouldn't do it is largely irrelevant as what Turbine have said it's ok to do far outweighs your personal ethical code.

[SalionOfBrothers]

I have to disagree, if you put limitations on how you act in game then that's up to you. But how everyone else acts and what is acceptable is governed by Turbine.

It's similar to the sort of PvP discussions you get across MMOs. Where on an open PvP server the developers say "anything goes", but then if someone gets constantly killed as soon as they respawn, or the enemy kills all the NPCs in someone's local village, they moan at the player for doing it.

Turbine have said "go out and perform this forced emote on people, it's ok for you to do it". So people are doing it. The fact that you wouldn't do it personally and therefor think everyone else shouldn't do it is largely irrelevant as what Turbine have said it's ok to do far outweighs your personal ethical code.

Yes, of course, if you can do something you should, even though you know it bothers some people. Makes perfect sense. /snark

[Dworin]

The fact that you wouldn't do it personally and therefor think everyone else shouldn't do it is largely irrelevant as what Turbine have said it's ok to do far outweighs your personal ethical code.

Not to me it doesn't. Turbine doesn't dictate to me who I believe is acting like a jerk and who is not.

Again, Turbine says it's ok but Turbine doesn't force people to cast them on strangers. That is a choice the player makes. And only the player. The player makes that choice, so they can live with the consequences. Action vs reaction.

[Laweh]

meh, I doubt they will ever address this, its been complained about for so long. In the meantime, I just make note of abusers (those deliberately being annoying, not the ones just clearing out their inv at the mailbox or whereever) then whenever I see the same player out and about doing their questing I make sure to slap them down, interrupt whatever they are doing and generally giving back karma in threefold.

[Hessli]

Yes, of course, if you can do something you should, even though you know it bothers some people. Makes perfect sense. /snark

Yes it does. Because you're playing in a virtual world governed by a set of rules, where you are allowed to do whatever you want within those rules.

If you don't like those rules, then your problem should be with the law makers, not with the people following them.

[Hessli]

Not to me it doesn't. Turbine doesn't dictate to me who I believe is acting like a jerk and who is not.

Again, Turbine says it's ok but Turbine doesn't force people to cast them on strangers. That is a choice the player makes. And only the player. The player makes that choice, so they can live with the consequences. Action vs reaction.

But the what consequences are there to the player who is doing it? If you verbally abuse them, you are breaking the rules, so then you have consequences.

You having a negative reaction to something that is acceptable (in the eyes of the governing body) only affects how you are feeling, so you are getting upset, annoyed, angry with a player and you can't do anything about it.

I would suggest a different reaction on your part would be more beneficial to the situation.

[SalionOfBrothers]

Yes it does. Because you're playing in a virtual world governed by a set of rules, where you are allowed to do whatever you want within those rules.

If you don't like those rules, then your problem should be with the law makers, not with the people following them.

Oh goody. Where I live, if someone knocks on my door that I do not know, I can shoot them, under the crazy law here. So your postion is that since I can can do that, I have to? It would be following the law. Thanks. Do you need my address?

[Hessli]

Oh goody. Where I live, if someone knocks on my door that I do not know, I can shoot them, under the crazy law here. So your postion is that since I can can do that, I have to? It would be following the law. Thanks. Do you need my address?

Aside from the fact that shooting someone in real life, and something happening on an online computer game have a slightly different set of circumstances.

My position is, if someone does that, your issue should be with the people who make the laws, not the people who follow them.

[Dworin]

I would suggest a different reaction on your part would be more beneficial to the situation.

And I would tell you straight up you don't get to tell me how to react.

What would be beneficial to the situation is for the players to make sure they aren't going to annoy someone by using the forced emotes on them. If you want a different reaction, choose a different action.