Good 1v1 Thread

[lionoil]

it literally took me 5 seconds to deduce that it had in fact been only 20-30s since the last giant blue floatie ghosts had appeared the first time I saw this exploit. How blatantly more obvious could it be, would ents every 20 seconds set off any bells or whistles?

I mean, as a champion I would assume you're on target assist right? So it would have to be target forwarded through you anyways. For someone that boasts repeatedly of your 'moors knowledge and all the supposed studying, I am surprised you claim ignorance.

Literally took me 3seconds to read the first part, and press reply with quote. How on earth do you reply so quickly to anything I say, are you stalking me? Bro crushes have boundaries mang.

[lionoil]

Never said i am mature, i really don't find a need for maturity within video games, and i'm glad you don't either, creating the age argument is perhaps the best sign of disregard to immaturity online.


You... are doing that on purpose, right?

Ive said to you on two occasions, once inside the forums. You act like: A child. I will say this to a fully grown adult if they act like one. Got a problem? I enjoy hanging out and helping a 17 year old mate, and its funny because I use him as an example that age doesnt matter. He doesnt act like a child and isnt immature.

You say maturity isnt needed in a video game. So someone who leads 23 people in a raid, or 50+ people in a kinship shouldnt really need maturity? Good luck with that, see how long it lasts.

[Thorandril]

Literally took me 3seconds to read the first part, and press reply with quote. How on earth do you reply so quickly to anything I say, are you stalking me? Bro crushes have boundaries mang.

Today, 06:44 AM #2466 my post
Today, 07:42 AM #2469 your post

if an hour between posts is your idea of a quick response then I'm fairly sure you've answered all my questions for me, whether you've meant to or not. So I suppose your misdirect is answer enough.

[vip123]

You should learn to read someones point. Quote where I said its ok.

From how dismissive you were about being in a group with an exploiter, i concluded you were accepting of it. Perhaps this was just a defensive mechanism of yours, though.

he used a rezz exploit too? two drunk LMs with 1RK+Cappy were exploiting...

Once again, taking away from the point of the post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanisms

Good thing you are making excuses so I can join you.

I find no need to make excuses, particular against someone of your... caliber and the situations surrounding your 'victories'.

I have a Latency problem. Having 700ms in fights with 7fps, and 350ms with 50fps while idle.

That may explain your horrid movement, but mocking your movement wasn't the point of the post.



So, as i pointed in the initial post, as i pointed out on the follow up post, and as you attempted to distort on every reply, you were grouped with somebody exploiting a broken mechanic.

Anyone who's played this game before, could realize the power of an Oathbreaker, every 21 seconds or so. This is quite blatantly game breaking.

In honesty, had you not been in the group, i wouldn't of bought it up on the forums. But... curiosity compelled me as you ranted for 9 pages on another thread, all the while being quite anti-exploit.

Why the change in faith?

Ill test it with the cappy next time I see him.

I'm sure you will. Within more group fights, of course?

P.S Nice banner. But when you lose, NiceExpliot. Seems like you really need to vent your frustration?

As i said in the initial post, which you have so desperately tried to distort, you were in a group, with an exploiter. I was questioning your own morals, sir, not venting. As i said earlier, had it been for anyone less... arrogantly vocal, i wouldn't of bothered.

You act like: A child. Got a problem?

No... i just said myself i'm not mature. You may want to

learn to read

You say maturity isnt needed in a video game. So someone who leads 23 people in a raid, or 50+ people in a kinship shouldnt really need maturity? Good luck with that, see how long it lasts

I said i don't find a need for maturity in a video game. I.

I don't.

That is... concerning my interests within a video game, and how i gain enjoyment from playing it. You seem to have no problem adding to such enjoyment, and i thank you for that whole heartily.


But once again, this is all getting away from the main point of my post. You were grouped with an exploiter, something you ranted on for many pages about being so against. Ignorance or not at the time, any ounce of respect for you i had at the very least, is gone.

[lionoil]

Today, 06:44 AM #2466 my post
Today, 07:42 AM #2469 your post

if an hour between posts is your idea of a quick response then I'm fairly sure you've answered all my questions for me, whether you've meant to or not. So I suppose your misdirect is answer enough.

You probably dont know this, but most people dont prowl forums to post in between a conversation. Most read the aftermath the next day, but you always have your finger on the pulse. To me, your the most regular and consistent person to use a quote from someone for a snappy reply. Your like the fly on the wall throwing snappy lines in most forum conversations, its quiet impressive.

[Thorandril]

You probably dont know this, but most people dont prowl forums to post in between a conversation. Most read the aftermath the next day, but you always have your finger on the pulse. To me, your the most regular and consistent person to use a quote from someone for a snappy reply. Your like the fly on the wall throwing snappy lines in most forum conversations, its quiet impressive.

thanks mate

kidding aside I was quite serious in my first post though. It wasn't an implication, but a serious question.

[lionoil]

Sad, but expected. Is this ALL you have to offer? What a shame, really is. Majority of what you've said can be covered very quickly.

Ive already explained the difference between grouping with an exploiter, and being in a group when someone uses an exploit you have no idea about. Ive also corrected your extremely bad assumption. I asked for you to quote me, you couldn't, because ive never once said its acceptable or ok, but you wrongly assumed i said it was. I then wrongly assumed my comments where obvious, and took the opportunity to reflect on the foundation for your accusation that im a hypocrite. This wasnt a red-herring (diversion) which you've claimed ive done repeatedly, but simply revealing how utterly laughable its for you to protest.


=::The next lines few lines will repeat and expand on what ive said, but in a more humerus yet factual way::=
~I Gando, group and support a notorious exploiting warg, and laugh in the face of Orak who protests about this unfair behavior.
~I Gando, now protest that a Captain using an exploit (which Orak didnt know about) is making the fights unfair. I call Orak a hypocrite, for not knowing something he should know. But he didnt, so I admit im wrong to call him a hypocrite.{1}

Basically it sounds like: Damn thats unfair that you make it unfair on ME! But if it's unfair for others, itz-cool-mang.
Basically, the bully protests when bullied, the cheater protests when is cheated. Example: Hey mang, your OB exploiting was only reason we lost mang, totally unfair mang, im going to name my banner: NiceExpliot. Mang your such a hypocrite mang, exploits make it so unfair. I Gando dont support exploiting in groups....OH WAIT YES I DO. I even laughed at Orak and named my banner: NiceXcuse, roflmfao ahahaha.

Im saying to you Gando: Nice try (yes honestly nice try) to accuse me of being a hypocrite, but its obvious your accusation is weak. It only shows how everything is permissible for YOU when YOU are having a good time.
I repeat: Everything is permissible only when YOU are having a good time.

{1}

Perhaps i should of left out the word hypocritical, perhaps i should not of. At the end of the day, your groups success was reliant on utilizing a broken mechanic, whether you were clued up to know about it at the time is beyond the point.

No... i just said myself i'm not mature.

Yes, indeed. Glad we cleared that up. Hey Zapdos, nice post on his screenshot, although the joke is only funny if its not true.

[TimmmmaaaaH]

Hey Zapdos, nice post on his screenshot, although the joke is only funny if its not true.

Which screenshot? Can't see one on the last couple of pages.

[lionoil]

thanks mate

kidding aside I was quite serious in my first post though. It wasn't an implication, but a serious question.

Had to go back and read all of it, I wasnt kidding, you make so many snappy posts I actually ignore you.
@Comment: Im not educated on ways to cheat/exploit in the moors. Sorry, I decided to skip that class. I pride myself on legit knowledge, not ways to cheat.

A tribe of people were unable to see boats because their mind couldn't fathom what a boat is. When I first got back, I never thought to check if this warg was exploiting rend, or a Freep swapping +/- 7k morale gear in a 1v1. I've been forced to adapt and identify cheating, and the best people to identify cheating are cheaters. Since im not a cheater, im not exactly good at probing every class for bugs and hax.

More factually: I wonder how many old school players who're quiet versed at moors tactics would also know about it. I just asked one, had no clue. Guess im not alone, but I think its because there are so many bugs/exploitable factors in this book, not everyone can keep up. Also, after talking to Gala, seems like nearly every class can be exploited.

[lionoil]

Which screenshot? Can't see one on the last couple of pages.

Wartab thread. Btw, ive got present for you, give me a sec.

[PresidentOfE]

If you plead ignorance, grouping with exploiters is excusable, Book II of Ocrack Volume III

[TimmmmaaaaH]

Wartab thread. Btw, ive got present for you, give me a sec.

Thought this was a bit odd then noticed the item. I actually laughed, good job.

As for that post, I guess I agree.

[spelunker]

I miss you all E. There is plenty of animosity on Brandy, but the forum pvp here takes an inbred tone akin to brothers arguing over who has the right to sleep with their cousin first. Well played all.

This did catch me off guard though:

In terms of the Chachii thing, it's been shrugged off by myself and others as "Nicexcuse", because it brings us all to hysterics when you and others think Chachii and the like, do in fact exploit.

Player skill is a wondrous thing.

Whether it is done purely through button presses, or someone sets it up on a macro makes no difference in whether it is an exploit. I can't say it puts me in hysterics, but I do giggle a little when people make claims of skill in situations like this. How to do it isn't that hard to figure out, it certainly isn't hard to do either manually or via macro, and it is painfully obvious that its an exploit to anyone with both hemispheres of their brain intact.




Carry on everyone.
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[NewYorkStateofMind]

Carry on everyone.
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[lionoil]

In terms of the Chachii thing, it's been shrugged off by myself and others as "Nicexcuse", because it brings us all to hysterics when you and others think Chachii and the like, do in fact exploit.

Yeees, this deserves its own thread.
This implies. Known exploiters dont actually exploit, and Gando and others laugh in hysterics when people like myself think that: players who obviously exploit, and were banned for exploited, confess to exploiting, post videos of then exploiting, people have combat logs of his exploit.... dont, actually, exploit.
Well Gando, you've got me, hook line and thinker bro. Your comment is truly mind boggling.

So when you said, others. You mean others such as Brusef who also exploits? But your comment actually says they're not exploiting, and you laugh in hysterics when people think they do. Which is a total contradiction when you give Brusef some sarcastic advice about putting a few mauls into his rend exploit to make it appear he's fighting legit. So that means your above comments implies your also wrong. So in conclusion, you also are wrong to think hes exploiting, or your above comment is just wrong, or your ooc comment is wrong. No matter how you look at it, your wrong.

Want to clear this up?

[vip123]

Yeees, this deserves its own thread

This rend ordeal i bought up was really just another jest at your ignorance, Orak. With the "you and others" referring to those with no idea as to how the class even works, basic combat mechanisms and so on, while all the same putting those who do considerable damage in the 'exploit column'. Not necessarily you, but others which die to wargs who play their class properly, are branded exploiters from this lack of... quite hilarious misunderstanding. It is as Desolates pointed out, quite simple.

Known exploiters dont actually exploit...players who obviously exploit, and were banned for exploited, confess to exploiting, post videos of then exploiting

You seem to know more than me, yet you fail to understand that basic combat mechanism, hence... the hysterics when you rant a few paragraphs about it, hours after exploiting alongside another... in bliss ignorance, perhaps. But none the less, you're not helping the comedy section of your being.

Also, after talking to Gala, seems like nearly every class can be exploited.

Ah, my mistake. It seems with a bit of babying, you've discovered something that's been around for years. Perhaps before completely understanding it, however, you can rant on about it some more. We once again, bring in the hysterics section.



Now, back to the part where Orak relies on exploiters within group fights!

Ive already explained the difference between grouping with an exploiter, and being in a group when someone uses an exploit you have no idea about.

Still wailing on about your ignorance old chap. I suppose you're right, you have no idea about basic mechanisms on a basic game, but none the less a lacking defense. I assume now you're in the know, you'll exclude that captain from groups?

This wasnt a red-herring

Quoted for a giggle.

itz-cool-man

I admitted i didn't bother with maturity in a video game, this didn't allow you to dissolve your understanding of the English language to when you were 10.

It only shows how everything is permissible for YOU when YOU are having a good time.

I've never been too bothered by people who exploit, but those who whine with no understanding i laugh at, and those who do rely on exploits in otherwise fair match ups, an impression is built. For example, i haven't 1v1d chachii since the start of ROR.

However, i tend to get hazy in what to find morally acceptable and the not when the match up is 4, 5 maybe 6 creeps vs double, perhaps even triple our numbers. In those instances, i don't mind either way.


Had you exploited alongside a captain without previously whining, i wouldn't of minded. As i said earlier. So, the only reason i called you out, was, as I've repeated many times, and as you've desperately tried to conceal, or otherwise talk about in a different light is very simple.

You were reliant on exploits, in an even match up. (By even i mean a pug creep group with 5/6 against 5/6 freeps that should of killed us in the first minute), but no need to drag skill level into this.

So, this reliance, from someone who claims ignorance, by someone whom has ranted on after being called out for exploiting at... guess what, people who exploit.

So, tell me Orak, will you ever group with this captain again? You wouldn't dare, surely.

[lionoil]

This rend ordeal i bought up was really just another jest at your ignorance, Orak. With the "you and others" referring to those with no idea as to how the class even works, basic combat mechanisms and so on, while all the same putting those who do considerable damage in the 'exploit column'. Not necessarily you, but others which die to wargs who play their class properly, are branded exploiters from this lack of... quite hilarious misunderstanding. It is as Desolates pointed out, quite simple.

Nice try, but im not ignorant when the guy who discovered the burg exploit and was first to use it on E shows me how the warg exploit can be identified. Unless you think rendrend is possible?

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Rest of what you've said is simply trivial, and you haven't even understood what ive said previous, this is clear when you giggle at the phase red-herring like your maturity level suggests. You've simply made a childish retaliation, by using conclusive comments such as: I rely on exploits to win fights, or im willfully ignorant for the sake of easy wins. No, these comments are better put to use against you, since that's how you've fought in the past, and your willfully ignorant.

How many times Gando? How many times must I repeat myself? Is this the consequence of talking to someone of your maturity? When I say, "Ill test it, and find out for myself" does that not register? Instead of accounting for another persons comments or conclusions about a topic, you simply revert to childish antics. I do think, you enjoy crying and making a fuss about issues so you can post sparatic replies without meaning.

When the cappy saw your banner, he actually said: Oh maybe I shouldnt use OB if they're that upset over it. I replied: regardless, its simply hilarious Gando who once wrote NiceXcuse now writes NiceExploit. And in future, because your such a cry baby about dieing, ill try to prevent cappies uses OB against you ever again, ok buddy?
(See what i did there, distorted your position to make a joke at you, even though your not upset about OB being used, only the bug. Exactly the same way you distort mine for your childish conclusions) I really should have to point this out to you, im not your teacher, but you seem to be unable to grasp the dynamics of a intellectual conversation since you cannot even accuse someone of being a hypocrite correctly.

[JDCass]

Which is a total contradiction when you give Brusef some sarcastic advice about putting a few mauls into his rend exploit to make it appear he's fighting legit.

What a terrible Rend exploiter someone would be if they didn't Maul. Hmm.

I don't even know why it's being discussed honestly. The mechanic is there and isn't likely to change anytime soon. Go ahead and laugh at the ones doing it blatantly; if it's that obvious in your combat log, they're probably not doing it well regardless. The Oathbreakers is pretty much the same thing being an unintended game mechanic that isn't likely to be fixed. The advantage here of course is that the captain has to swap into 4 pieces of OD gear for SL so less aud for a short time. No point in really worrying about it now since we won't be swapping armour in-combat post-HD anyway.

Point is, there's enough people on both sides using unintended mechanics to their own advantage that it's practically a wash anyway.

"But, but-- he's exploiting more!!"

[spelunker]

Nice try, but im not ignorant when the guy who discovered the burg exploit and was first to use it on E shows me how the warg exploit can be identified. Unless you think rendrend is possible?

Rend-Rend you say?



QQ about Devs hitting for same same as crits, btw.

[lionoil]

Not necessarily you, but others which die to wargs who play their class properly, are branded exploiters from this lack of... quite hilarious misunderstanding. It is as Desolates pointed out, quite simple.

He also said:

and it is painfully obvious that its an exploit to anyone with both hemispheres of their brain intact.

Problem with your premature accusations (Gando) such as "HYPOCRITE" is that your wrong. I dont cry exploit when a warg kills me, and my first thought it how I can improve. When people complain in OOC about player X exploiting I ask are you sure? Did you see this exactly? And even if they confirm it, I still wont fully believe it until ive witnessed it myself. Until I have, its a high possibility that player is exploiting, and until I can confirm it I wont say this person -is- but suspected of.

What you might learn from what I just said, is how people shouldn't come to rash conclusions like immature children or raging drunks at the bar. Its a mature and good thing to think clearly, rationally and speak on topic, and only testify about someone when you've actually witnessed it yourself. You HAVE-NOT witnessed me protest about someone using an exploit without evidence. I took a little while to rename my Raven: StainlessXpliotFkills when I checked my combat log. And the name of the raven was making fun at Kidefences failed logic labeling the actions of one as all, even if they're not in the same tribe.

"But, but-- he's exploiting more!!"

Lols. Imagine if the player population was higher and we had several Gandos, or Brusefs on E fighting against each other. Now THAT would call for alot of popcorn.

[lionoil]

Rend-Rend you say?

Im not sure what your conclusion is.
Im saying: When a known exploiter uses this in battle and its instantly noticeable that a single warg is chewing through two healers with water-lore up, do you give the said warg the benefit of the doubt when you notice his attacks in your combat log. There is no evidence to support the idea he isnt exploiting when looking at his blatantly obvious actions in the past. Further more, wargs using this in 1v1s such as Brusef making it very difficult to defeat playing legit are hardly considered a fair fight.

[PresidentOfE]

What you might learn from what I just said, is how people shouldn't come to rash conclusions like immature children or raging drunks at the bar. .

[lionoil]

Asked the cappy, said its 100%. Good to know, I wont be letting him or others use it. <-- See that Gando, read very carefully boy. Its called admission, and wanting to change what's unfair for others. Although I know this concept is hard for you to grasp, but I dont expect you'll stop supporting exploiters in your groups.

I thought this was logical for someone who prides himself on gimping his RK for a fair fight, or BA. Then in group fights you prefer not to overload a fight with too many causing an unfair fight, but then you'll group with a exploiter making it unfair for others, and laugh in the face of those who protest. That is another hypocritical standing you have. Just admit it, you do what you want, reasons are all subjective, all about as consistent as what toon Hero plays per book.

Any other bugs/exploits I should know about so Gando doesnt get upset and start ranting with his hypocritical logic?

[Gottapee]

100 pages!!!!!! Ahahahahhaa

[spelunker]

But I'm not a dramatic drag queen like you and I don't need the spotlight, so please enjoy.

Good point.