Freep healer RK VS Mini

[ScrettleSllim]

I have a well geared lvl 89 RK with lvl 85 gear and weapons.
I have no problems healing through 2-4 creeps depending on there rank and skills. But I think this is where the class should be at as a healer you should be able to save a fellow from 2-4 creeps all attacking them, otherwise your not really worth being a healer.

With the class essence the way they are you don't need a healer for the burg or warden.

[Jakreal]

im glad people wanna make this game even worse by making rk healing even more op.

People who don't know how to play their class and call it not as good as mini ... just lul

[Giliodor]

im glad people wanna make this game even worse by making rk healing even more op.

People who don't know how to play their class and call it not as good as mini ... just lul

There's just one little fact: RK's hardly have an AoE heal. That's it. Apart from that, both have insane healing capabilities... RK is just better for small(er) groups and mini's are better for raids (when facing raids, at least).

Ah but wait... This is Thaelon's buddy. That explains a lot x) Birds of a feather...

[Jakreal]

There's just one little fact: RK's hardly have an AoE heal. That's it. Apart from that, both have insane healing capabilities... RK is just better for small(er) groups and mini's are better for raids (when facing raids, at least).

Ah but wait... This is Thaelon's buddy. That explains a lot x) Birds of a feather...

you want to have a spammable singular heal that hits fellowship (and i guess ts fh) that makes up your entire heal rotation vs what you have now?

group bubble ofe stone proper hot prepping > bolster ts

minis are easier to kill as well and if you throw in "lol they can not be hit through entirety of flop" than yea i guess so while their group gets destroyed lmfao

not to mention stone is a pretty much 25s immunity ... armor of op storm is another immunity pretty much... damage reduction from skills (rune sign)(bubble)... guessing theres enough points for on the move spam motivate now in healing...scribes new ending spamm.....

you want a big group heal when you dont need it

thanks for throwing in thal buddie thing when he is right. You all just fail at rk and are asking for even more healing you dont need

[Giliodor]

y You all just fail at rk

Typical Asylum member. Congratulations on confirming the stereotype. Maybe you're right, though. Maybe I shouldn't compare my lvl 97 RK with my lvl 100 minstrel.... But even so, I can see my RK isn't going to save lives 6v18+. My mini does.

[Jakreal]

Typical Asylum member. Congratulations on confirming the stereotype. Maybe you're right, though. Maybe I shouldn't compare my lvl 97 RK with my lvl 100 minstrel.... But even so, I can see my RK isn't going to save lives 6v18+. My mini does.

6v18... uh huh right...

you are facing 18 ######s if they cant take out your group let alone you lmfao

keep up lieing though.

And you dont even have your rk at max lvl!! im guessing points gear ect so stop arguing about something you haven't experienced yet lmfao

[Giliodor]

6v18... uh huh right...

you are facing 18 ######s if they cant take out your group let alone you lmfao

keep up lieing though.

And you dont even have your rk at max lvl!! im guessing points gear ect so stop arguing about something you haven't experienced yet lmfao

You misunderstand. Only once have I won a 6v14 ish. I deem it quite impossible to win 6v18. Doesn't mean you can't still get a kill or 3-6.
Then, my RK was capped at lvl 95, just couldn't be bothered grinding essences in U14. Now it's 100 but geared for DPS. I healed as scaled up lvl 97 and did just about fine... Still worse than my scaled up mini (who I did get to 100 a month after U14 hit, btw).

Edit: I healed that 6v14 on... Guess what? Mini.

[Jakreal]

You misunderstand. Only once have I won a 6v14 ish. I deem it quite impossible to win 6v18. Doesn't mean you can't still get a kill or 3-6.
Then, my RK was capped at lvl 95, just couldn't be bothered grinding essences in U14. Now it's 100 but geared for DPS. I healed as scaled up lvl 97 and did just about fine... Still worse than my scaled up mini (who I did get to 100 a month after U14 hit, btw).

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so its geared for dps you tried healing once ..... as a scaled toon...

you cant argue about this im sorry learn to play you know the actual class first (especially in healing) cause once you do youll argue in the other direction when it comes to rk healing. Its insane op compared vs mini.

If you knew how to heal prep, react, ... heal in general on an rk you wouldn't be saying this.

Sidenote: Even out of group its more op than a mini you kidding me lol

[Giliodor]

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so its geared for dps you tried healing once ..... as a scaled toon...

you cant argue about this im sorry learn to play you know the actual class first (especially in healing) cause once you do youll argue in the other direction when it comes to rk healing. Its insane op compared vs mini.

If you knew how to heal prep, react, ... heal in general on an rk you wouldn't be saying this.

Sidenote: Even out of group its more op than a mini you kidding me lol

Very well... I'll go get a first age bag and I'll get back to you in a week. Quite sure my opinion will not have changed (my opinion being: RK heals are strong, but they lack AoE).
And as edited in my previous post: that 6v14 I was healing on mini.

[Nimrinoth]

I'm going to begin a tally for every pvp related thread that devolves into an epeen measuring contest. I'm sure the numbers will be quite shocking

[Sezneg]

I'm going to begin a tally for every pvp related thread that devolves into an epeen measuring contest. I'm sure the numbers will be quite shocking

My thread doing this will be better and more accurate than yours!

[Jakreal]

Very well... I'll go get a first age bag and I'll get back to you in a week. Quite sure my opinion will not have changed (my opinion being: RK heals are strong, but they lack AoE).
And as edited in my previous post: that 6v14 I was healing on mini.

doesnt have so much to do with gear.

you have to know what you are doing. and the point is you dont need the aoe because of everything it has already

[Spilo]

My thread doing this will be better and more accurate than yours!

^Excellent.

[ScrettleSllim]

I havent got a max level Mini, but I would say that RK healing for a Raid+ works fine. Most of the time you just find yourself the target caller of the creeps and spam heals to that target before you know it you have 1-3 hots on the target and you combat the first few big hits.

AoE on a Rk is works well from my point of view as a healing RK.
Rousing words gives you 1 minute of Writ of Health Tier 1-3 as it counts down, and you can put this on people while not even in combat... example see a raid coming towards 6.5seconds will be done before they hit. fellowship all healed for 1 minute hots to counter any AoE DPS or ground bleeds.

Rune of Restoration isnt fantastic but helps largely.

And lets not forget a !!!40s cooldown!!! for Essay of Exaltation... A Skill that HEALS ANYONE in the area!

The only AOE heal i dont use is the EPic of the ages skill. in that 2.5seconds I can normally land 2-3 skills.

MV, WoH, MV, WoH. The maths doesn't add up but these to skills spam one after the other really well.

If someone gets jumped I us bombastic inspiration, and bubble if they are at half health. then MV,Woh spam, or throw your stone down.

The best skill for a healing RK in the moors in Line of Sight, spam your hots, then when the melee gets close to you pop bubble there is no doubt they will stun you/disarm fear, Scribe New Endings on yourself if you start to get targeted.


The essential for a healing RK is to have the moors 4 set bonus for the mending verse, you can heal other players and yourself at the same time or over heal yourself when focused. 2k-6k heal every 2s plus up to 4 stackable HoTs.

[Leopoldio]

Giliodor is actually right. U ppl forgetting situation when ur 6 man facing 10+ who do have spread focus fire. Or it can be 6 v x2/3mans. You rk gonna suck if focus fire is strong enough. BC AoE only will work in that situation.
And imagine if 2+ ppl gonna be below half morale situation -> only TS can save them. RK bubble even with stone won't save them. If they are -50%+ inc healing debuffed you won't save em as well, no matter how many HoTs you have on them.
RK gonna loose at any situation to mini, except RK is just healing himself and he is solo.
As for raids -> 1 RK is more then enough in 6/12/24 man. Just to spam bubbles and make it easier for minis to recover grp members.

[Thaelon]

who do have spread focus fire.

rofl

You rk gonna suck if focus fire is strong enough. BC AoE only will work in that situation.

Actually its quite the contrary, if you pre-hot adequately and actually heal well you can easily keep up multiple targets. As a side note, if you are fighting decent creeps they will cc you(as a mini) however if they cc the rk he is still pumping out alot of heals during his cc which is something mini simply cannot match.

imagine if 2+ ppl gonna be below half morale situation -> only TS can save them. RK bubble even with stone won't save them. If they are -50%+ inc healing debuffed you won't save em as well, no matter how many HoTs you have on them.

You realise RKs have the highest ST HPS of any class? That means when you prepare your group for combat you have to make sure that the targets that will be focused have every bit of HPS avalaible. What I mean is that with bubbles/hots/mobility/cc your groupmates should never go under 1/2 unless you are ccd or they take it in one shot, in which case the stone itself is more than enough to recover.

RK gonna loose at any situation to mini, except RK is just healing himself and he is solo.

Maybe I need to explain this a little more clearly as some people still fail to grasp it
When fighting terrible creeps it is this:
Good/great mini>Good/great rk>subpar mini>subpar rk
When fighting good/great creeps it is this
Good/great rk>Good/great mini>subpar mini>subpar rk

So it depends on the skill level of the creeps you are fighting as to which is better.

[Leopoldio]

rofl

Whats so funny about that ? Try out brandy zerg and you will understand what I am talking about.

Actually its quite the contrary, if you pre-hot adequately and actually heal well you can easily keep up multiple targets. As a side note, if you are fighting decent creeps they will cc you(as a mini) however if they cc the rk he is still pumping out alot of heals during his cc which is something mini simply cannot match. You realise RKs have the highest ST HPS of any class? That means when you prepare your group for combat you have to make sure that the targets that will be focused have every bit of HPS avalaible.

If you ride into the fight, or creeps attacking you behind or from the side, you don't have time to preHOT. There is like 5% of situation when you can actually preHOT and maybe in case of small group only. You can't simply prehot 10+ ppl.
Prehot gonna work only in PvE world mate.

mobility

Healing RK doesnt have such. Unless you think prelude to hope/bomb Inspr are such. Mini has way more skills on move (if u know what code means, insta BC, TS, CoS)

should never go under 1/2 unless

I suppose here goes - rofl.

When fighting good/great creeps it is this
Good/great rk>Good/great mini>subpar mini>subpar rk

Another rofl.

So it depends on the skill level of the creeps you are fighting as to which is better

You can't choose what type of creeps you are fighting. It is random. So you have to be unique. Moreover, it depends more on your grp setup/members.

And jfyi, i am great rk & great mini. So i know what i am talking about. Been there done that.

[Ettenmoors_Emperor]

Whats so funny about that ? Try out brandy zerg and you will understand what I am talking about.

Yes, freeps should feel lucky they can still outheal superior numbers, even on Brandy.

If you ride into the fight, or creeps attacking you behind or from the side, you don't have time to preHOT. There is like 5% of situation when you can actually preHOT and maybe in case of small group only. You can't simply prehot 10+ ppl.

Perhaps raid leaders shouldn't be so stupid as to get flanked or charge in via horseback.

And jfyi, i am great rk & great mini. So i know what i am talking about.

No you aren't. Target forward healing doesn't make you good in the slightest, it makes you trash. There are good RK's like Navicious on Brandy, and minstrels like Uwish that you could learn from. Maybe ask them how to heal.

To the OP,

RK's are very potent healers, especially when supported. Their bubbles/damage re-directs can save freeps vs inc healing debuffs where minstrels cannot. However, the AoE healing of minstrels makes them favourable if the group/raid is lacking blueline captains. Ultimately, the best healing setup will involve 4 minstrels 2-4 rune keepers and 2-4 blue line cappies, depending on what's available. The survivability issue comes from most RK's being terrible, as well as lacking a flop on a 30s CD.

[Leopoldio]

Perhaps raid leaders shouldn't be so stupid as to get flanked or charge in via horseback.

This is random. Sometimes one gets flanked, sometimes other.

No you aren't. Target forward healing doesn't make you good in the slightest, it makes you trash.

I never TFH. I tried it couple days ago, but didn't work, because in lag you bring with your 24mans + same amount of taggers makes its impossible. When I select you, target you targeting appears only after 15-30s. Too much delay to loose. So I don't even try to TFH anymore. And yes, I am. It is what people are saying. One can't simply say that, who fought against me like 1-2 times with brandyzerg following you.

There are good RK's like Navicious on Brandy, and minstrels like Uwish that you could learn from. Maybe ask them how to heal.

Haven't seen Navi in ages. Never seen her in action. Uwish...been in my raid only once, and didn't show anything outstanding, just some mediocre healing. Maybe this wasn't his day or bad mood idk.

[Thaelon]

Big post, alot of quotes

Whats so funny about that ? Try out brandy zerg and you will understand what I am talking about.

Im laughing because you are trying to tell me that you fight vs creeps who "aoe focus fire".

If you ride into the fight, or creeps attacking you behind or from the side, you don't have time to preHOT. There is like 5% of situation when you can actually preHOT and maybe in case of small group only. You can't simply prehot 10+ ppl. Prehot gonna work only in PvE world mate.

It is your fault if you let yourself be flanked without being prepared or ride into combat on horseback, it is your raids decision not to prepare not a representation of the classes healing ability. It is actually very easy and quick to prehot a raid, maybe you need to relook at what you are doing wrong...

Healing RK doesnt have such. Unless you think prelude to hope/bomb Inspr are such. Mini has way more skills on move (if u know what code means, insta BC, TS, CoS)

If you read my reply properly you would see that I was referring to the people you are healings mobility not your own however rks can be very mobile when they need to be, it is not their strongest choice in combat but it is definitely not their weakest. As for mobility, rk has more viable healing skills that are usable on the move than mini.

I suppose here goes - rofl.

Like I said, people you are focus healing should never go under 1/2 unless they are put there from 1 attack(huge crit/dev impale/vt) or you get ccd(even then for them to push through your hots they would need the crit VT/impale). I dont understand whats funny about that...

Another rofl.

Again I fail to see what you are laughing at, everything you have quoted is 100% accurate.

You can't choose what type of creeps you are fighting. It is random. So you have to be unique. Moreover, it depends more on your grp setup/members.

I didnt say that you could choose, I merely stated which class was better in which situation.

And jfyi, i am great rk & great mini. So i know what i am talking about. Been there done that.

What are your rks and minis name, I might know you(I highly doubt you are as good as you say you are since you clearly dont know a heal rks potential)

There are good RK's like Navicious on Brandy, and minstrels like Uwish that you could learn from. Maybe ask them how to heal.

Hmm thats where Uwish went, he originally was from DD, he was one of the better minis on dd(not that any of them were any good at all but he was one of the better of the trash) until aglaeka showed up and make a mockery of all other minis to play the game, Aglaeka is the only healer that I have ever seen(in videos or in game or even from word of mouth) that I would agree outperformed my RK in his prime.

RK's are very potent healers, especially when supported. The survivability issue comes from most RK's being terrible

100% agree

This is random. Sometimes one gets flanked, sometimes other.

No, it is choice that selects who gets flanked, not chance, if you are too blind/stupid to see creeps coming then that is your fault, not the RNGs

And yes, I am. It is what people are saying.

LOL, are you trying to tell us that because your friends tell you that you are good that it is true? Does that also mean if your mom tells you that you will grow up to be a CEO that it is true? My god, the lack of intelligence here is amazing.

In summary, Good/great rk>Good/great mini when fighting Good/great creeps.

[Constrictions]

Good runekeepers shouldn't be having anywhere near as many 'oh ####' situations as a minstrel does.

Passive pre-emptive healing > active, reactive healing.

Kinda like in mirkwood how pre-emptive tanking (wardens) was more capable of fulfilling viable raid roles than reactive tanks (guardians).
E.g. Being able to tank LT without losing threat and manage all corruptions by themselves without having hardly any power issues

[RGilthanas]

I still think that a minnie is the best PvP healer - overall

RK's are great for mitigating damage, bubbles, and I love hots (as long as you know how to pre-emptive heal), and a RK + minnie healing combo is the best way to go, both complement each other well.

Perhaps I'm biased, I've had my minstrel before WS and only know how to heal.

[Hayden102]

update-

Here is my opinion

Minstrel is easier to heal with, you can flop, solo heal raids or groups easier, disarms/silences and all that are less of a problem than that of a RK. Just spam bolster for that big spike and aoe too

RK - If the creeps have a competent group, they will split focus fire between you and the next squishiest. Disarm/silences/stuns interuppts.. If they interrupt you while your casting a heal skill the cd increases. fates rock, word of exaltation, essay of exaltation, armor of the elements are large cds if you run out of these the fights over, to use scribe a new ending you have to STOP before you can cast it + enjoy the skill delay and then the self root and to add to that you will have to wait a bit if the creeps know how to stack debuffs on you before you can heal again. @ Pre-hots, how often do you pre hot before the battle, this would only happen if you are being camped, camping, hiding etc. If you are a rk healer and travelling or on the move and do not get to pre hot you've practically already in a very very large pickle and disadvantaged.
If the creeps are not as confident and only focus 1 freep you generally should have a good time unless heavily outnumbered. imo I think rk hots are not as potent anymore and since HD the class lost alot of important things it has needed for it's role. healing potency, skill delay, reliance on cds, efta unreliable

From what I have seen personally and tested a mini has an overall easier job

Mini - Primary healing class

RK - Hybird of DPS and healing


- Plays both classes but still has more fun on rk.

[Ethrildar]

Without getting into a stupid argument with an utterly abysmal 3/10 reaver (self proclaimed best reaver in the world) and 2-3 of his other accounts...

Leo is one of the best RK healers on Brandy, in the top 3 without any doubt. Navi is good, Uwish is appalling on Minstrel, rank 13 iirc, not a clue what he/she is doing.

One point I will respond to though, saying RK's have great ways to mitigate when someone gets focused. YES, they do, with cooldowns. Try using fates stone a 2nd time around when 3 VTs are off CD just as your stones duration ends. Lemme know how that goes And yah AoS is greaaatt, versus Wargs and Reavers for 20 sec of every 180. Hardly a sustainable immunity at like 12% uptime. Essay bubble is gone in the blink of an eye and whilst it's a really good skill it's not comparable to being able to heal an ally from 5k to 25k in one skill press with a delay of around 0.2 second for the second bolster to hit.

[sm91]

Let's just say they both are too hard to kill and need a major nerf.