concerning reports

[MithrilMinded]

So, back at my server at ark , there's a player that says openly he reports poeple because he think they are macroing ...now i see this as a childish behavior, since it magically seems that all monters players that defeat this freep player are somehow macroing !!now i wonder if hes reporting are behind headed or is there some kind of protection or conter reporting tools to such players that are imagining stuff?

[Giliodor]

Don't know, but it's the same on my server. Creeps are convinced that freeps are exploiting because they're getting killed. Two people have been banned so far, as a consequence.

[MithrilMinded]

Don't know, but it's the same on my server. Creeps are convinced that freeps are exploiting because they're getting killed. Two people have been banned so far, as a consequence.

This is my concern , because this person seems to be out of control in accusing creeps just because he gets killed ...really don't want to see ppl getting banned from such a soreness about losing fights

[Haruno]

This is my concern , because this person seems to be out of control in accusing creeps just because he gets killed ...really don't want to see ppl getting banned from such a soreness about losing fights

I think peeps that give too many false reports will end up being banned themselves. As far as I know, the gms try to verify wether the reported player extually exploits or not before giving them a ban. Your notice that people actually got banned because of these reports make me doubt this though.

[Thorgrum]

I still play on Arkenstone from time to time and I know of whom you speak. the system he is trying to use does not work, the GM's arent going to do anything even if it were true. There are people all over lotro who relish the opportunity to report others and get them banned.

*shrug* what the hell are we going to do, use shame? that wont work, so if you cant beat them join them. Ban everyone, im reporting this entire thread and every single one of you malcontents.

[Enzaraen]

I still play on Arkenstone from time to time and I know of whom you speak. the system he is trying to use does not work, the GM's arent going to do anything even if it were true. There are people all over lotro who relish the opportunity to report others and get them banned.

*shrug* what the hell are we going to do, use shame? that wont work, so if you cant beat them join them. Ban everyone, im reporting this entire thread and every single one of you malcontents.

you're just oh so bad.

[Thorgrum]

you're just oh so bad.

Following me around because you're butt hurt over my truthful description of your person, is extremely telling.

Welcome to ignore, go cry more about turbine and how they hurt your feelings because they wont give you freedom of speech. LOLOLOLOLOL

[007Squanto]

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...?558031-Macros

It seems this paranoia is on every server. Most of creepside on my server think I "Macro Exploit", what they mean by that I have no idea. Here are some facts that you should be aware of though.

1. Using macros is not against the CoC. You can even macro within the lotro client, but third party software is not against the CoC either.

2. You can't exploit with them anymore, that was fixed in update 12. something, not going to bother grabbing the link to the patch notes.

3. You can cut animations with instant skills, most notably on a warg or burglar. You can macro it if you wish and get around 8 skills off instantly. Or you can use your keys and do it in a little over a second if you're fast. So if someone does that to you and you can't fathom how they did that much damage and you say " He macros, report him!!!!!"-- You may be right, but reporting will do nothing since its not cheating.


So when people complain about people cheating with macros, again I have no idea what they mean.

[Enzaraen]

Following me around because you're butt hurt over my truthful description of your person, is extremely telling.

Welcome to ignore, go cry more about turbine and how they hurt your feelings because they wont give you freedom of speech. LOLOLOLOLOL

Like yourself, your posts are failures.

[007Squanto]

Like yourself, your posts are failures.

Says the one whining about "free speech" within an MMO forum. Lol.

[Enzaraen]

Says the one whining about "free speech" within an MMO forum. Lol.

Give some evidence on why most posts are failures? I have seen others raise the issue. Lol.

[Thorgrum]

Says the one whining about "free speech" within an MMO forum. Lol.

Its even funnier when they follow you from thread to thread telling you you are the fail, lol.

[Enzaraen]

Its even funnier when they follow you from thread to thread telling you you are the fail, lol.

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Get it right.

[Thaelon]

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...?558031-Macros

It seems this paranoia is on every server. Most of creepside on my server think I "Macro Exploit", what they mean by that I have no idea. Here are some facts that you should be aware of though.

1. Using macros is not against the CoC. You can even macro within the lotro client, but third party software is not against the CoC either.

2. You can't exploit with them anymore, that was fixed in update 12. something, not going to bother grabbing the link to the patch notes.

3. You can cut animations with instant skills, most notably on a warg or burglar. You can macro it if you wish and get around 8 skills off instantly. Or you can use your keys and do it in a little over a second if you're fast. So if someone does that to you and you can't fathom how they did that much damage and you say " He macros, report him!!!!!"-- You may be right, but reporting will do nothing since its not cheating.


So when people complain about people cheating with macros, again I have no idea what they mean.

18. You may not create, post, use or distribute any utilities, emulators or other third party software tools without the express written permission of Turbine (including, without limitation, macroing programs, botting programs, server emulators, client hacks, map hacks, and data gathering utilities).
You really have no clue ey?

[Spilo]

Problem with macroing accusations is that most people aren't educated on them. I wasn't, but I learned. Once you run into a macroer, you won't confuse macroing and proper skill cutting again. About 75% of the macro accusations that I have seen have been incorrect. I would be legitimately surprised if Turbine actually banned anyone from macroing. They don't care about rank farming or multiboxing so I highly doubt that they care about macroing.

[b4jet9597]

Problem with macroing accusations is that most people aren't educated on them. I wasn't, but I learned. Once you run into a macroer, you won't confuse macroing and proper skill cutting again. About 75% of the macro accusations that I have seen have been incorrect. I would be legitimately surprised if Turbine actually banned anyone from macroing. They don't care about rank farming or multiboxing so I highly doubt that they care about macroing.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

[spelunker]

I'm hoping that with our new forum overlord I won't be re-infracting for this conversation again...

I can confirm that GMs will at the very least send warnings to players about the use of "macros" without actually having any proof of their use, as this has happened to me in the past despite the fact that I have neither a gaming mouse/keyboard nor any macro software or programs on my computer (and wouldn't know how to set one up if I did).

Presumably GMs have access to a players combat logs to at least do a cursory check on suspicious activity, but a combat log is far from a foolproof way to show someone is running a macro program, since everything that the type of macros in question here are capable of are fully doable by a person with their hands at a rate that a combat log won't be able to discern.

My anecdotal experience is that GMs simply respond to mass reportings. If a single person reports someone for Macro-ing, it probably goes nowhere, if enough people do, that seems to be enough for some to take action. In my case, two rather large PvP kins were apparently reporting me on the same day, including a number of people claiming in OOC to be reporting me, despite me not having even encountered them.

[lenway12]

18. You may not create, post, use or distribute any utilities, emulators or other third party software tools without the express written permission of Turbine (including, without limitation, macroing programs, botting programs, server emulators, client hacks, map hacks, and data gathering utilities).
You really have no clue ey?

He (squanto007) is not wrong, actually. Everytime I see you post it seems as if your only intent is to be a jerk to others. There are several third party programs that are protected by the CoC and that players use on a regular basis. He could have worded it better but again, not wrong.

[Bucataru]

What I've also seen: combat log registers wrong if you lag. I lagged and when I came back I had 14 attacks registered in the same second from a spider. Now if I had bad intentions I could have reported that spider for macroing...

[LEGENDofALL]

I macro cooking my dinner,cleaning my house and going to work for me so I can play lotro legit.

[Thaelon]

I never said it was incorrect. I'll steal your classic line and say " Can you read"??? Neither of you are wrong.

You said he was not wrong which means that you think his statement was correct, now if you want to go and read the CoC and discover that both you and him are stupid then go ahead but don't stay on this thread trying your hardest to prove me wrong, it wont happen. You and he are both wrong, end of story.

[LEGENDofALL]

You said he was not wrong which means that you think his statement was correct, now if you want to go and read the CoC and discover that both you and him are stupid then go ahead but don't stay on this thread trying your hardest to prove me wrong, it wont happen. You and he are both wrong, end of story.

they maybe wrong but I am right.

[lenway12]

You said he was not wrong which means that you think his statement was correct, now if you want to go and read the CoC and discover that both you and him are stupid then go ahead but don't stay on this thread trying your hardest to prove me wrong, it wont happen. You and he are both wrong, end of story.

No he is not wrong-- you seem unable to read your own citation. With the consent of turbine, its allowed, and there are several such programs.


Drop the hostility, there's no reason for it.

[LEGENDofALL]

18. You may not create, post, use or distribute any utilities, emulators or other third party software tools without the express written permission of Turbine (including, without limitation, macroing programs, botting programs, server emulators, client hacks, map hacks, and data gathering utilities).

[Thaelon]

No he is not wrong-- you seem unable to read your own citation. With the consent of turbine, its allowed, and there are several such programs.

Look at what he says:

Using macros is not against the CoC. You can even macro within the lotro client, but third party software is not against the CoC either.

Where in there does it say "express written permission"? It does not, he generalises that all macros are allowed and are not against the CoC, just like he generalises that 3rd party software is not against the CoC, which is incorrect.

18. You may not create, post, use or distribute any utilities, emulators or other third party software tools without the express written permission of Turbine (including, without limitation, macroing programs, botting programs, server emulators, client hacks, map hacks, and data gathering utilities).