World Transfers

[helgamarie2013]

thnx to Nyzira combak and RJFerret for their replies

[Macroscian]

So just when is that supposed to start.

The bullroarer testing is still on, nobody knows what time that will take.
After that, there is supposed to be some undefined period of time when the five remaining servers can intermingle with transfers open between them all other than BW which will be one way only (supposedly). After that, elendilmir and...was it estel on top of list of EU servers?

So yes, it's quite clear that we and turbine can't yet say when stuff will happen!

[Divona.]

No, you don't lose your name, you have the option of waiting until Feb. 2016 and taking the name from them. Not fair to them obviously, but well, they aren't as active as you. Level should not be a consideration as some low level crafting or musicians are known on those worlds by those names, not fair that some usurper come take it just because they are higher level and then perhaps stop playing, and lots of other people on that server who knew the community member by that name suddenly find they are contacting you instead of them. The system is designed, and you get your name, just have to wait a while to claim it.

Well thats a "great" option really i have to wait with transfer until 2016 february? Well maybe i will do it since i'm sure i wont rename my main char because of Turbine lack of rules. 1 year is just way too long for someone to be away especially if its not even leveled to current max. This clearly indicates that player lost interest of that char or even account. Even if thats someones low level crafting alt whatever not logging in over half year even once just doesnt fit into active account at all. The level 5 same named char is even more hilarious.

[Arandeath]

tried reading through the pages,just looking for info on
what the time frame is for the name change if it has to
be done.does the name change token ever expire or
if you just don't get around to it does you character
name just stay with the -1 added to it?
or what if you never bother to change the name and
just leave the -1 on it.

[Marancil]

The name change token you are given when transferring from a closing world, will not expire.

[MagnesM]

I am at odds as to continuing to play this game. As a VIP Life member who has been on since BATA. I stand to lose the one thing that identified me in this game for the past 8+ years...My name (Armalas). Just because I did not waste the time and effort to create my Alt on every server, I now stand to lose my identity. It would be very easy to see which Alt was created first and the newer one gets renamed. Also I feel that being a VIP member has little influence to the people at Turbine. If you don't like the solution of oldest name stays, then you should at least give priority to VIP members of free play. VERY DISAPPOINTED. Your priorities Turbine shock me.

On another note.. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO DO SOMETHING THE HOMESTEEDS. Put crafting in there...Put events in there...put something in there...because all they really are is a waste of in-game money. It has been 8+ years and they still have no real purpose...

[Ospreyfeather]

For me that is a good thing in that, just creating a placeholder character succesfully, it means that nobody is gonna 'steal' its name, even if he/she happens to transfer before me. However, I understand your position.
It would not be such a great hassle for me just to log in each placeholder char for a moment, actually. But if the rules are changed at this point, Turbine should make it very clear...

Thanks to Mennhabar and others for their thoughtful replies to my idea about adding the -1 to characters who had never logged in, instead of to the active character transferring into the server. I learned a lot from the replies, or at least I learned enough to realize how little I knew before. I imagined that most of those characters generating the "this character cannot be added" message were simply old unused alts. I think now that probably most of them are naming placeholders, which the devs encouraged. These people shouldn't have to go back and log in all these placeholders now. And I realize that even if characters were never logged in, they are still subject to the one-year rule. So truly old unused names should be available even though there is really no way for me to see when a name was created if I can't add it to my friends' list.
So basically, I withdraw my flawed idea.
And here's hoping for a smooth and happy server merge.

[maartena]

Turbine,

I know you will never discuss specific server population numbers, but do you think you could show relative population percentages of the 5 servers that will remain open? This would not divulge any info about number of subs or players.

Example;

Brandywine - 40%

Landroval - 22%

Gladden - 18%

Arkenstone - 11%

Crickhollow - 9%

This would give players that are transferring a rough idea of server size. Some would like smaller quieter servers and others want super busy. This would aid in the decision making process.

These kinds of stats don't really say much though. I have leveled a toon to 100 for instance, but because Gladden was the preferred server for so long they have very very large population of mid-level players, but a lower amount of level 100 characters compared to e.g Crickhollow. At least, I did a search for non anon level 100s on the same night, and gladden wasn't stellar in 100s compared to the amount of logins it represents in the pie charts.

Also, for me it's quality over quantity, I much rather have a good, solid, friendly community than more people. All servers will get a huge boost in population.

This is my "maturity" top 5:

1/2: Arkenstone and Crickhollow share the top spot for me.
3: Landroval
4: Gladden
5: Brandywhine

This is bases on PERSONAL experience, not on just statistics.

[RJFerret]

Sorry, I'd posted inaccurate info thinking of placeholder characters, not the conditions I was replying to, see posts below.

[KM3161]

maybe i missed this question buried somewhere, but will our friends list be auto-updated with names that get a ~1 ?

On my friends list i have say character X, that character transfers to the same server as me but the name is taken so it becomes character X~1, will my friends list update automatically to show character X is now character X~1? And will it auto-remove the incumbent character X that i don't even know? or will I wind up with incumbent character X plus my friend who is now character X~1? or do I have to edit the list manually name by name?

[Guhrasoh]

Not at all, no waiting to transfer, just waiting to rename to your basic name.



This. When you log into your character, it will be named character-1. There'll be an alert in the alert box: rename. If you click it, it'll pop up a window with a line to enter a new name. Don't until the date the original name you desire frees up. Then do. Now remember to tell everyone who knows you as character-1 that you are now simply "character" with no suffix.

Rename tokens currently don't override old names, only the transfer process is able to do this. So, if he wants to get the name he has to wait till the existing char is 12 Months inactive.

[cdq1958]

maybe i missed this question buried somewhere, but will our friends list be auto-updated with names that get a ~1 ?

On my friends list i have say character X, that character transfers to the same server as me but the name is taken so it becomes character X~1, will my friends list update automatically to show character X is now character X~1? And will it auto-remove the incumbent character X that i don't even know? or will I wind up with incumbent character X plus my friend who is now character X~1? or do I have to edit the list manually name by name?

I just looked at this on BR. Unfortunately, I can't properly check it. What I can say is that on the two characters that I checked, the names that were in the lists remained as they were. The issue is, though, that I did not take the time to populate the respective lists in the same fashion that I would have done live.

[RJFerret]

maybe i missed this question buried somewhere, but will our friends list be auto-updated with names that get a ~1 ?

Friends lists do not transfer.

So no, your questions are moot, a friend that transfers to the same server on you would have just as blank a friends list as yours, so you'll be adding their current name, whatever that might be. (If they rename after that, just like renames now, the new name will be on your friends list, and you'll wonder who the heck that person is.)

[Jurny]

This. When you log into your character, it will be named character-1. There'll be an alert in the alert box: rename. If you click it, it'll pop up a window with a line to enter a new name. Don't until the date the original name you desire frees up. Then do. Now remember to tell everyone who knows you as character-1 that you are now simply "character" with no suffix.

There seems to be a lot of mis-information being spread like wild fire lately. It is my understanding, that once a person transfers the system then checks to see if thier name is availible, if is deemed taken (through the new transfer policy) the person coming in gets the -1 after thier name. Now some people have gotten the impression, so it seems , that all they need to do is wait it out so many months time if they know the name they are wanting will have been inactive for a year, that all they need to do is use the free rename token. And get thier name. This isn't how it works!! There is still a person on the server with that original name. You can't just use a rename token to over write thier name!! A GM won't have the ability to rename your character and take it from another player.

[KM3161]

Friends lists do not transfer.

So no, your questions are moot, a friend that transfers to the same server on you would have just as blank a friends list as yours, so you'll be adding their current name, whatever that might be. (If they rename after that, just like renames now, the new name will be on your friends list, and you'll wonder who the heck that person is.)

Thanks, that's what i wanted to know. Have to re-add everyone manually.

[Sereena]

In the case of a conflict of Kinship name, the transferring Kinship will have a -1 added to their name and will need to open a ticket with Customer Support to choose a new name. We know this is not ideal, but this situation was one we did not have a good solution for in the time we had.

I am extremely disappointed by this. I would have expected some consideration for the length of time a kinship has been established - my kinship is a day 1 kinship, we started it on the first day of Gillian. In addition, we are part of a gaming community that is over 10 years old and has used the same name in every game we play - having already checked on both Evernight and Laurelin and for both destinations we will be getting the dreaded -1 added to the kinship name.

Surely doing a date check for establishment of the kinship is not that hard, especially as lotro kinships gained perks and rank partly based on the length of time they have existed?

[Beaniemooch]

I am extremely disappointed by this. I would have expected some consideration for the length of time a kinship has been established - my kinship is a day 1 kinship, we started it on the first day of Gillian. In addition, we are part of a gaming community that is over 10 years old and has used the same name in every game we play - having already checked on both Evernight and Laurelin and for both destinations we will be getting the dreaded -1 added to the kinship name.

Surely doing a date check for establishment of the kinship is not that hard, especially as lotro kinships gained perks and rank partly based on the length of time they have existed?

I appreciate your frustration and I would feel the same way, but there's really no "fair" way to take somebody else's name. Could you get a rename of "kinship name of Gillian". That honors your kin name as well as your original server roots and history.

[Macroscian]

I am extremely disappointed by this. I would have expected some consideration for the length of time a kinship has been established - my kinship is a day 1 kinship, we started it on the first day of Gillian. In addition, we are part of a gaming community that is over 10 years old and has used the same name in every game we play - having already checked on both Evernight and Laurelin and for both destinations we will be getting the dreaded -1 added to the kinship name.

Surely doing a date check for establishment of the kinship is not that hard, especially as lotro kinships gained perks and rank partly based on the length of time they have existed?

I appreciate your frustration and I would feel the same way, but there's really no "fair" way to take somebody else's name. Could you get a rename of "kinship name of Gillian". That honors your kin name as well as your original server roots and history.

I guess with these servers a lot of old kinships are just dormant and unused. It is entirely possible that you can offer some deal with the target server kinship of same name simply by asking. You could take control of their kin temporarily and pay to rename it for them, then move your kin in.

I've given away a few r10 kins over time to exiles in need, renaming is doable as I understand it.

EDIT That was supposed to be a quote of the post above yours, sorry
EDIT2 Doh, I could just edit that in, of course.
Can I blame dangerously low levels of caffeine?

[Amrundir]

I doubt that Turbine will give us numbers but you can as well use the unofficial sources of login statistics for example:

http://lotrostats.gefallenehelden.de/us.html
http://lux-hdro.de/hdro-live-us.php

Added some new graphs
http://lotrostats.gefallenehelden.de/r10.html

[Macroscian]

Added some new graphs
http://lotrostats.gefallenehelden.de/l10.html

The interesting numbers would be sometime last September October or November, outside festival dates.

[Amrundir]

The interesting numbers would be sometime last September October or November, outside festival dates.

At this time the recommended server changed from Gladden to Crickhollow (atm it's Evernight). Numbers would not be very useful, because the recommended server has much higher login numbers then the other servers.

[padraxus]

I just had to rename my "young" Beorning, no problem with that. All other names have been reserved with once logged in dummies on the new server. I'm on Maiar, but started on Belegaer and still have some old characters there.

[Lilalene]

I don't know if this was asked before, but I read all 48 pages of this thread an cannot remember:

Will our userchannels be kept or do I have to write them down - maybe with passwords?

[Tinieth]

A lot of people (even blue names) talk about placeholder characters and even placeholder kinships to reserve their names on the remaining servers. How much time does the system need to clear these entries after I delete them?

Is this the right way to handle this:
- delete placeholder kin and character,
- wait for an amount of time which I don't know yet,
- then transfer?

Or is there any advantage in
- transferring first and get rename token,
- delete placeholder,
- wait for some time yet to be determined,
- and then rename?

Maybe the answers to my questions are already somewhere in these 48 pages... if so, sorry for aksing. Maybe someone can point me to them. Hoping for somer reliable information here.
Thanks in advance.

[Lilalene]

A lot of people talk about placeholder characters and even placeholder kinships to reserve their names on the remaining servers. How much time does the system need to clear these entries after I delete them?

Is this the right way to handle this:
- delete placeholder kin and character,
- wait for an amount of time which I don't know yet,
- then transfer?

Or is there any advantage in
- transferring first and get rename token,
- delete placeholder,
- wait for some time yet to be determined,
- and then rename?

Maybe the answers to my questions are already somewhere in these 48 pages... if so, sorry for aksing. Maybe someone can point me to them. Hoping for somer reliable information here.
Thanks in advance.

I will do the second option to be absolutely sure no one "steals" my name in the time between deleting and transferring.