Book 3.1.4: Halros' Decision

[Reniannen]

about Halros

http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Halros

it says "Regardless of your advice to Halros while gathering the Rangers during Vol. III, Book 1, he eventually joins the Grey Company on their road south and takes part in a quest instance at Mirobel in Eregion."

so I guess his conscious/duty etc get the better of him and he goes with the Gray Company.

Gratz for the necromancy

Unless they changed something with those quests Halros will stay in the Shire if you tell him to. I have two characters one of whom told him to stay and other one to go. If you do the instance in Mirobel with a character that didn't tell Halros to go south he will not be there, instead of him you'll meet another one (I think it was Radanir).

[Yula_the_Mighty]

Gratz for the necromancy

Unless they changed something with those quests Halros will stay in the Shire if you tell him to. I have two characters one of whom told him to stay and other one to go. If you do the instance in Mirobel with a character that didn't tell Halros to go south he will not be there, instead of him you'll meet another one (I think it was Radanir).

I believe you are right. It is either Halros or Radanir.

[Nindolvoth]

Who is that?

He is a character from the tv show called lost.

[Snoggy]

umm.... it's the hobbits that scour the Shire, Saruman through Lotho (at least initially) just buys the entire Shire and enforces the rule using ruffians, Saruman just makes things worse then they were when he arrives at the Shire sometime around August or September of 1419 in Shire reckoning.

Kicking around Oatbarton kind of previews what Saruman's working on.

[Twitcheetwitch]

I've run the quest multiple times. Told Halros to go twice, and to stay in the Shire twice. Haven't noticed any difference down the line so far though. I'm interested to see if it plays out differently at some point.

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

I've run the quest multiple times. Told Halros to go twice, and to stay in the Shire twice. Haven't noticed any difference down the line so far though. I'm interested to see if it plays out differently at some point.

Seriously necro-ing this thread, but I didn't really want to make a new one, as its essentially the same topic:

In instances in early Volume 3, Halros is replaced by other rangers (Prestadir/Radanir etc. depending on the occasion), but I've just reached Wildermore on my current character, and have just been doing the Interlude which involves Halros watching over the camp of the Dunedain while they sleep.

As Prestadir is also present in that instance, I'm wondering if those players that told Halros to stay in the Shire instead play as Prestadir, rather than Halros in this interlude - if anyone does remember telling Halros to stay, and has got up to Wildermore, please let me know what happens with this interlude

[cdq1958]

Seriously necro-ing this thread, but I didn't really want to make a new one, as its essentially the same topic:

In instances in early Volume 3, Halros is replaced by other rangers (Prestadir/Radanir etc. depending on the occasion), but I've just reached Wildermore on my current character, and have just been doing the Interlude which involves Halros watching over the camp of the Dunedain while they sleep.

As Prestadir is also present in that instance, I'm wondering if those players that told Halros to stay in the Shire instead play as Prestadir, rather than Halros in this interlude - if anyone does remember telling Halros to stay, and has got up to Wildermore, please let me know what happens with this interlude

I can't help you there. All of my characters that have done this line had Halros go with the Grey Company.

[The_Jagannath]

I can't help you there. All of my characters that have done this line had Halros go with the Grey Company.

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[Urwendil]

When you tell Halros to stay you get a totally different session play with Halros still in the Shire. Let me not spoil it for you

[Belogard]

I find it odd to be giving the "Rangers" choices. They serve at the pleasure of the king. They are called Rangers by the common folk, but they are the equivalent of Aragorn's officer cadre. They're in exile, so they are rough in appearance. However, they are still by their own law in service to the king. The king commands. They obey. They don't get a vote, and Aragorn isn't making suggestions hoping they'll agree.

What the devs are attempting to accomplish by assuming the rather ignorant stance of a Shire-bred hobbit and viewing "The Rangers" as independent operators that sometimes cooperate with "Strider" is beyond me. However, to present situations with these characters as though their true condition, duties and obligations don't exist is what makes things become confusing.

Robbing a title that has a clear context and meaning doesn't help, either.

[Tirian-Hammerfist]

When you tell Halros to stay you get a totally different session play with Halros still in the Shire. Let me not spoil it for you

Aah ok, nice, thanks for letting me know!

[OldMadeOfLions]

I find it odd to be giving the "Rangers" choices. They serve at the pleasure of the king.

I disagree that it's odd for Halros to have a choice to make in this case, given that Aragorn set him the task of watching the Shire in the first place. During III.1.4, the task of sending the Grey Company to meet with Aragorn in Rohan doesn't come from him; it comes from Galadriel. Halros has to weigh which duty should control, and I think that it's appropriate he do so. The Rangers aren't unthinking automatons, and they'd be less useful to Aragorn if they were.

MoL

[cdq1958]

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What!? :O





























We were all thinking it! :O

1. To give a point of view and 2. because I missed this thread earlier and found the topic interesting.

[Oldwiley]

I disagree that it's odd for Halros to have a choice to make in this case, given that Aragorn set him the task of watching the Shire in the first place. During III.1.4, the task of sending the Grey Company to meet with Aragorn in Rohan doesn't come from him; it comes from Galadriel. Halros has to weigh which duty should control, and I think that it's appropriate he do so. The Rangers aren't unthinking automatons, and they'd be less useful to Aragorn if they were.

MoL

A sensible and rational response

May I ask though, Moria: the whole nameless things in the depth bit. For me it was the biggest tangent the Epic took. The nameless looked more like a salute to old gaming artwork and the whole thing felt very un-lotr. It felt the biggest move away from a rational plot in my opinion.

Why go there?

[OldMadeOfLions]

May I ask though, Moria: the whole nameless things in the depth bit. For me it was the biggest tangent the Epic took. The nameless looked more like a salute to old gaming artwork and the whole thing felt very un-lotr.

This is more or less what Gandalf has to say about those guys, though: 'Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day.'

You might not like the art direction, but I don't think it's inconsistent with that passage. I do know that the art team did a lot of research into the types of creatures that live in subterranean areas, and that influenced their design.

MoL

[Oldwiley]

This is more or less what Gandalf has to say about those guys, though: 'Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day.'

You might not like the art direction, but I don't think it's inconsistent with that passage. I do know that the art team did a lot of research into the types of creatures that live in subterranean areas, and that influenced their design.

MoL

Thank you kindly for the response.

Aye I was aware of the reference to nameless things in the books, its just not what I personally envisaged and feel it would have been better left in the shadows.

Kind Regards
Wiley.

[GoldenusG]

This is more or less what Gandalf has to say about those guys, though: 'Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. They are older than he. Now I have walked there, but I will bring no report to darken the light of day.'

You might not like the art direction, but I don't think it's inconsistent with that passage. I do know that the art team did a lot of research into the types of creatures that live in subterranean areas, and that influenced their design.

MoL

For me, I've no problems with The Nameless themselves. In fact, I quite like them as a relic of a bygone age (I.e.. Creatures of Morgoth). What I did have issue with, are the Alien eggs down there. They made me roll my eyes the first time I saw them, and repetition has not made me grow more fond.

[Witch0King]

Thank you kindly for the response.

Aye I was aware of the reference to nameless things in the books, its just not what I personally envisaged and feel it would have been better left in the shadows.

Kind Regards
Wiley.

I disagree. It shows the depth of Moria and the horrors of the world. That there are more evil powers than just Sauron. It makes the whole world seem more authentic to have forces like that.

[HunterGreen]

While I agree that it definitely is tapping into the same well of horrors that H.R. Giger tapped into for Alien, and that that can tend to pull me out of LOTR a little, I think artistically it's a quite appropriate choice. Arguably both Giger and Tolkien had similar influences on these ideas (along with, for instance, Lovecraft), and in any case it seems very appropriate for a nameless horror from beyond the realm of knowledge. And the overall result is, in my opinion (and agreed to by several kinships who I've surveyed), the single creepiest place in LOTRO (and that's against some very stiff competition).

[Oldwiley]

While I agree that it definitely is tapping into the same well of horrors that H.R. Giger tapped into for Alien, and that that can tend to pull me out of LOTR a little, I think artistically it's a quite appropriate choice. Arguably both Giger and Tolkien had similar influences on these ideas (along with, for instance, Lovecraft), and in any case it seems very appropriate for a nameless horror from beyond the realm of knowledge. And the overall result is, in my opinion (and agreed to by several kinships who I've surveyed), the single creepiest place in LOTRO (and that's against some very stiff competition).

Aye I'd be inclined to agree. I suppose to me it felt more Lovecraft/Giger than JRR. If you have to depict the nameless then its got to be as the minds eye thinks. Although as the first Alien Movie and Gandalf both prove its scarier if you don't see it

I'll agree its dark relentless toughness with Alien eggs and Mutoid monsters made it scary enough for sure =)

I suppose its just my perspective, it kinda spoiled my perspective as it took some of the wonder of JRR's words away; outside of this I think the epic storyline has been delivered with fine grace making me a fan of Made of Lions for his contribution to the game and the fact he will actually speak to you on his role.

[LagunaD2]

This is more or less what Gandalf has to say about those guys, though: 'Far, far below the deepest delving of the Dwarves, the world is gnawed by nameless things. Even Sauron knows them not. ...

Except that clearly he, and one of his mid-level lackies (Gorothul), seems to know plenty about them...

[The_Jagannath]

1. To give a point of view and 2. because I missed this thread earlier and found the topic interesting.

That... that's what I thought. = |

[wolfgarde]

That... that's what I thought. = |

Amazing you had an actual thought