Please use Midnight and not 12pm as a time refrence

[Reddora]

I am looking at the down time post today and I can not tell if the game will be down for 4 hours or 16.
Please say Noon or Midnight, know one knows what 12 pm is
12PM is night time to me.
Is the game down all day?
Or just 4 hours?

[peachykins]

I am looking at the down time post today and I can not tell if the game will be down for 4 hours or 16.
Please say Noon or Midnight, know one knows what 12 pm is
12PM is night time to me.
Is the game down all day?
Or just 4 hours?

Noone knows what 12pm is- I do, it's NOON!

[legablaze123]

12pm has, and always will be - Noon.

Heres a little refresh of how to tell the time incase you missed it in little school

12AM,
1am,
2am,
3am,
4am,
5am,
6am,
7am,
8am,
9am,
10am,
11am,
12PM,
1pm,
2pm,
3pm,
4pm,
5pm,
6pm,
7pm,
8pm,
9pm,
10pm,
11pm,
12AM,

Please bookmark this incase you ever forget how to tell the time

[Econn71]

Noone knows what 12pn is- I do, it's NOON!

Yup gotta love people who can't tell time. If they can't tell time using standard twelve hour periods then just imagine them using military time where midnight is 0000. lol

[Cliford]

I can agree that request sounds ridiculous, but still would be a nice addition to give time also in other time zone (GMT for example). Somobody was already asking for that. And yes, I know I can check it, thats what I doing now, still for me it would be more comfortable just to see it, and after all there is no much effort needed from ppl to do that.

[Econn71]

I can agree that request sounds ridiculous, but still would be a nice addition to give time also in other time zone (GMT for example). Somobody was already asking for that. And yes, I know I can check it, thats what I doing now, still for me it would be more comfortable just to see it, and after all there is no much effort needed from ppl to do that.

Use time conversion sites such as http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html . It would be a pain to have several times listed for people which is why they list their time.

[Sheaezra]

12pm has, and always will be - Noon.

Heres a little refresh of how to tell the time incase you missed it in little school

12AM,
1am,
2am,
3am,
4am,
5am,
6am,
7am,
8am,
9am,
10am,
11am,
12PM,
1pm,
2pm,
3pm,
4pm,
5pm,
6pm,
7pm,
8pm,
9pm,
10pm,
11pm,
12AM,

Please bookmark this incase you ever forget how to tell the time

What about:

00:00
01:00
02:00
03:00
04:00
05:00
06:00
07:00
08:00
09:00
10:00
11:00
12:00
13:00
14:00
15:00
16:00
17:00
18:00
19:00
20:00
21:00
22:00
23:00
00:00

[Hallandil]

I am looking at the down time post today and I can not tell if the game will be down for 4 hours or 16.
Please say Noon or Midnight, know one knows what 12 pm is
12PM is night time to me.
Is the game down all day?
Or just 4 hours?

FUN FACT! PM actually stands for "Post Meridiem" which means after midday, which is that case from exact noon onwards.

So... according to this expert diagram pictured in the meme below.



What time is 12pm? Most certainly High Noon.

[kickman77]

?This thread is a joke right... I mean I know they dont teach basic time in school anymore but really?

[Marancil]

There is no officially acknowledged time standard for the AM / PM system.

The 24 hours system is based off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

The AM/PM system is obsolete and its usage being removed from significant US entities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_a..._United_States

The ISO 8601 date notation YYYY-MM-DD is popular in computer applications because it reduces the amount of code needed to resolve and compute dates. It is also commonly used in software cases where there are many separately dated items, such as documents or media, because sorting alphabetically will automatically result in the content being listed chronologically. This format may be considered less of a break with tradition by U.S. users, since it preserves the familiar month-day order. Two U.S. standards mandate the use of ISO 8601-like formats: ANSI INCITS 30-1997 (R2008); and NIST FIPS PUB 4-2 (FIPS PUB 4-2 withdrawn in United States 2008-09-02), the earliest of which is traceable back to 1968. The ISO 8601 format is also used within the Federal Aviation Administration and military because of the need to eliminate ambiguity.

[bambubambubambu]

FUN FACT! PM actually stands for "Post Meridiem" which means after midday, which is that case from exact noon onwards.

So... according to this expert diagram pictured in the meme below.



What time is 12pm? Most certainly High Noon.

'I'll be back this way on Monday! We'll settle this then... right there... out in the street... in front of the Palace Saloon!'
'Yeah, right. When? High noon?'
'Noon? I do my killin' before breakfast! Seven o'clock!'
'Eight o'clock. I do my killin' after breakfast!'-Back to the Future III

[Hallandil]

'I'll be back this way on Monday! We'll settle this then... right there... out in the street... in front of the Palace Saloon!'
'Yeah, right. When? High noon?'
'Noon? I do my killin' before breakfast! Seven o'clock!'
'Eight o'clock. I do my killin' after breakfast!'-Back to the Future III

Remind me to bring my McGuffin Ned Kelly bullet-proof armour, Tin-foil hat and 20-sided die.

[Sheaezra]

?This thread is a joke right... I mean I know they dont teach basic time in school anymore but really?

They does at my skool.

[Oelle]

i don't see the reason, why some countries still use a time-system, where you count 12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, repeat.
it is much more logical to count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, repeat. or just 0->23:59 like its done where i live.
it does not matter, if you can learn it in some schools in some countries.
it is not taught everywhere and it does not make any sense.

in germany, we have different systems to talk about time and if you hear someone saying the actual time, you can guess, where he comes from.
for example, for 11:45, many people from eastern germany say 'dreiviertel zwölf', while most germans say 'viertel vor zwölf'.
for 10:15, eastern say 'viertel elf', while most say 'viertel nach elf'.
Some people make jokes with this system and extend the eastern system to tell you ALL times in fractions. like 09:48 would be 'fünf sechstel zehn'. nearly nobody understands it, although its totally logical.
Still, logic systems can be understood by thinking about it. Thats a nice thing.

For knowing, that some people count 12,1,2,3,4... instead of 1,2,3...11,12, you have to know it. no way to get it by thinking about it because its ridiculous.

[maartena]

I am looking at the down time post today and I can not tell if the game will be down for 4 hours or 16.
Please say Noon or Midnight, know one knows what 12 pm is
12PM is night time to me.
Is the game down all day?
Or just 4 hours?

12 PM is noon.
12 AM is Midnight.

It's confusing, yes, but the 12 hour clock starts with 12 AM, then 1 AM, 2 AM and so forth and for noon its 12 PM, then 1 PM, etc.... They should just use the 24 hour clock and use 12:00 for noon, and 0:00 for Midnight, problem solved for those who are clock-illiterate.

[AccessDenied]

Reddora,
I cannot imagine the time will change. It would require that the automatic time-stamp used and perhaps some internal systems would have to be changed as well. I cannot see Turbine being willing to make that change.



Everyone Else,
Let me get this straight... some of you folks want to change the time system used in the USA? Are you crazy? The Elderly & AARP won't stand for it - their mail carrier won't come on time!

(Yes, that is kind of a joke - but only 'kind of'. 'Cause you know it's true.)

[Silmelin]

Where I live we use 24 hour clock
And no, they didn't teach us in little school how people in a country far far away tell time, and that doesn't mean that I can't tell time. I can. I can tell time in the way we tell time where I live


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hou...n_and_midnight

Confusion at noon and midnight

It is not always clear what times "12:00 a.m." and "12:00 p.m." denote. From the Latin words meridies (midday), ante (before) and post (after), the term ante meridiem (a.m.) means before midday and post meridiem (p.m.) means after midday. Since strictly speaking "noon" (midday - meridies (m.)) is neither before nor after itself, the terms a.m. and p.m. do not apply.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language has a usage note on this topic: "By convention, 12 AM denotes midnight and 12 PM denotes noon. Because of the potential for confusion, it is advisable to use 12 noon and 12 midnight."[18]

E. G. Richards in his book Mapping Time provided a diagram in which 12 a.m. means noon and 12 p.m. means midnight.[19]

Many U.S. style guides, and NIST's "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" web page,[17] recommend that it is clearest if one refers to "noon" or "12:00 noon" and "midnight" or "12:00 midnight" (rather than to "12:00 p.m." and "12:00 a.m."). The NIST website explicitly states that "12 a.m. and 12 p.m. are ambiguous and should not be used."

The Canadian Press Stylebook (11th Edition, 1999, page 288) says, "write noon or midnight, not 12 noon or 12 midnight." Phrases such as "12 a.m." and "12 p.m." are not mentioned at all. Britain's National Physical Laboratory "FAQ-Time" web page[20] states "In cases where the context cannot be relied upon to place a particular event, the pair of days straddling midnight can be quoted"; also "the terms 12 a.m. and 12 p.m. should be avoided."

Likewise, some U.S. style guides recommend either clarifying "midnight" with other context clues, such as specifying the two dates between which it falls, or not referring to midnight at all. For an example of the latter method, "midnight" is replaced with "11:59 p.m." for the end of a day or "12:01 a.m." for the start of a day. That has become common in the United States in legal contracts and for airplane, bus, or train schedules, though some schedules use other conventions. Occasionally, when trains run at a regular intervals, the pattern may be broken at midnight by displacing the midnight departure one or more minutes, such as to 23:59 or 00:01.[21]

The 24-hour clock notation avoids these ambiguities by using 00:00 for midnight at the start of the day and 12:00 for noon. From 23:59:59 the time shifts (one second later) to 00:00:00, the beginning of the next day. In 24-hour notation 24:00 can be used to refer to midnight at the end of a day.

In Britain, various conventions are employed. For instance, on 17 December 2005 The Sun (London) newspaper's TV magazine used "noon (12.00)" and "midnight (0.00)" in individual listings. Sequential listings started with a.m. or p.m. as appropriate, but these indicators were not used again, although in sub-listings "12midnight" was sometimes employed. On the same date, London's The Daily Telegraph used "12.00noon" and "12.00midnight" in individual listings. In sequential listings the first programme to start after 12.00 was marked "am" or "pm" as appropriate.

[Hallandil]

Where I live we use 24 hour clock
And no, they didn't teach us in little school how people in a country far far away tell time, and that doesn't mean that I can't tell time. I can. I can tell time in the way we tell time where I live


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hou...n_and_midnight

Yes there is some level of confusion, however it is well established that Ante Meridiem is 0:00 - 12:00 and that Post Meridiem is 12:00 to 24:00. For during Ancient Rome where the Latin terms originate, time was told using Sundials and the shadow of the sun's path long before the invention of the clock (dismissing the discovery of the Antikythera Mechanism). One key fact that establishes Meridiem is its sibling the Meridian which is better known as the vertical North - South line. These two terms Meridiem and Meridian worked hand in hand as both would signify the presence of the other as when a Sundial's shadow is along the Meridian (North/South) it means that it's the Meridiem (Midday/Noon) and vice versa.

The argument that the Meridiem cannot be midnight, because..... well.... there's no sun.

[cdq1958]

There is no officially acknowledged time standard for the AM / PM system.

The 24 hours system is based off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

The AM/PM system is obsolete and its usage being removed from significant US entities: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_a..._United_States

Um, yes there is, at least for astronomy. AM is ante-meridian and PM is post-meridian. Way back when, you looked up or at the ground at a shadow, to tell time. Noon (and thus the meridian) is the point where the apparent sun is at its highest point above the southern horizon for the extra-tropical parts of the Northern Hemisphere (for the Southern Hemisphere, that's the northern horizon). For the tropical parts, it is probably best to use lowest zenith angle facing the sunlit horizon except on the day the sun passes overhead. On that day, the overhead sun is Noon, or on the meridian. AM means the daylight time before the sun crosses the meridian (noon) and PM means the daylight time after the sun crosses the meridian. Today, the prime meridian is Greenwich, England's meridian. From that we get GMT/UTC. Astronomers still use this system to convert to *local* time (not just time zone time) for celestial observations.

[Hallandil]

Um, yes there is, at least for astronomy. AM is ante-meridian and PM is post-meridian. Way back when, you looked up or at the ground at a shadow, to tell time. Noon (and thus the meridian) is the point where the apparent sun is at its highest point above the southern horizon for the extra-tropical parts of the Northern Hemisphere (for the Southern Hemisphere, that's the northern horizon). For the tropical parts, it is probably best to use lowest zenith angle facing the sunlit horizon except on the day the sun passes overhead. On that day, the overhead sun is Noon, or on the meridian. AM means the daylight time before the sun crosses the meridian (noon) and PM means the daylight time after the sun crosses the meridian. Today, the prime meridian is Greenwich, England's meridian. From that we get GMT/UTC. Astronomers still use this system to convert to *local* time (not just time zone time) for celestial observations.

The Meridian is different to the *Meridiem, although same argument still stands. When it comes to *Ante-Meridiem and Post-Meridiem, Meridiem literally just translates to "Sun's Peak."



The Meridiem is when the shadow path of the sun crosses the Meridian North/South line, when the sun reaches its highest position in the sky.
Another fun little tidbit - In Southern Hemisphere countries like my own, Australia, the path of the sun is inverted and the shadow points South at the Meridiem.

[legablaze123]

Is there literally a legitimate argument going on in this thread about how to tell time, and whether the way some countries do/don't is completely wrong?

I learnt how to tell the time in little school, because its just something everyone get's taught - obviously your parents also teach you at home, but you get a more clearer understanding in school.

12am = Midnight

12pm = Noon

What is so difficult about that?

Theres no difficulty with counting, because, 12am is also the same as 0, because its the start of the new day - So for those who its difficult to understand, think of the day like this;

0, 1, 2... 11, 12, 1, 2... 11, 0, 1, 2... Not so very difficult is it?

The only reason its 12 is because it would be too complicated for those who already struggle to tell the time, if we put both a 12 and 0 on the analog clocks..

And.... Its got nothing to do with learning how to tell the time because different countries tell the time in different ways.

EVERYONE should know what AM/PM means, and everyone should recognise what the time is when they're used. I live in England and generally we operate on a 24hour system, but I can still tell the bloody time in AM/PM!

[Bohdb]

This game servers are based in the US. They have been using EST or ESD forever. Do you really think they are going to a 24 hr clock? Do you really think they are going to recode at this point? We use a 12hr clock for most things in the US. Not to sound rude or argumentative but if you do not you are just going to have to make due or google it. Some things are not going to change and would be a waste of the few resources they have left.

[monk_tbd]

Is there literally a legitimate argument going on in this thread about how to tell time, and whether the way some countries do/don't is completely wrong?

I learnt how to tell the time in little school, because its just something everyone get's taught - obviously your parents also teach you at home, but you get a more clearer understanding in school.
[...]
EVERYONE should know what AM/PM means, and everyone should recognise what the time is when they're used. I live in England and generally we operate on a 24hour system, but I can still tell the bloody time in AM/PM!

Just because it is like that in the US or the UK does not mean it is like that in other countries.

While you probably get it taught in most countries (especially once English is taught in school) you never use it in every day language. Never - ever.

I would never say 1 p.m. in my native language however I would say either 13.00 or "1 in the afternoon".
While that is the equivalent for p.m. it will not work for 12 p.m. or 12 a.m. which are always referred to as "noon" or "midnight" never as "12 before noon" or "12 after noon".


Just pointing out that something that is obvious for a lot of people might not be obvious at all for others.

[Sheaezra]

[Marancil]

Just because it is like that in the US or the UK does not mean it is like that in other countries.

While you probably get it taught in most countries (especially once English is taught in school) you never use it in every day language. Never - ever.

I would never say 1 p.m. in my native language however I would say either 13.00 or "1 in the afternoon".
While that is the equivalent for p.m. it will not work for 12 p.m. or 12 a.m. which are always referred to as "noon" or "midnight" never as "12 before noon" or "12 after noon".


Just pointing out that something that is obvious for a lot of people might not be obvious at all for others.

Those guys are about 10% of the planet anyway so we can just ignore them , hmm, not sure about India though, but India or US, meh. We have ISO standards in the civilized world.