Dissapointed in SSG i.e. 10 year giftbox

[Kostas2112]

People who played for 10 years are more faithful than people who played lessthan that. How complicated this is for you? Looking at your posts, it seems to me that you are here for less than 10 years and i have a feeling that this is the only reason why you try so hard to make everyine think that those who played for 10 years are not morefaithful. Yes they are. Nobody stopped anyone from starting the game back in April 2007.

I myself started playing April 2007 and i consider myself more faithful than you, especially with all the #### changes that started with Enedwaith update. That takes lots of faith.

And when it comes to OP: yes, the 10 years rewards box, if nothing changes is a slap in the face to those most faitfhul 10 years players.

Sorry but it doesnt go like that...

You might be a lifer that started playing for 3-4 yrs then took a huge 4 year break and returned again last year. That doesnt make you more 'faithfull' than someone who started playing at 2013 and continue to play non-stop from there on. You just started first and that has nothing to do with your 'faith' to the game.

Also do consider that many of those 'less faithfull' players might have spend way more money than you on the game and thus showing their 'faith' in a more practical way.

Having said that, i do agree that the rewards for you 10-yr guys are a bit 'cheap'...

[peachykins]

Do you even know what the meaning is? What connotations it has?
Veteran

• a person who has had long experience in a particular field of work
  
• someone who has been in the armed forces during a war

It sickens me that people even compare the fact that they signed up to play a game in 2007 and for no other single reason think they
are entitled to anything, let alone associate and compare themselves to the sacrifice that a real veteran does to attain that title.

Better direct some of that sickness towards SSG's way because they use the word veteran in the store.

As to your comment about players giving SSG gifts- LMAO You are truly a piece of work.

[siipperi]

Please stop with the "most faithful" thing. You're not "more" faithful, you've just been faithful for longer because you've had more time here than the player that just "stumbled in".

There is a reason why those players can continue to stumble in.

[Anglion]

I understand all what you are saying.

But for me it is very simple in the end. People have played since the start and for me they are more faithful. If those super faithfull players that have played for 3 years but spent some money on the game, could have showed their faith by starting to playing from the start. It is simple really.

And also for some of you, the amount of money that one spends o the game shows their faith (the more the more faithful). For me it just shows that they can afford to play the game the way they want.

I have a different perspective on this.

Btw i did have breaks but always come back in the end, even if there is 0 signs that the game will get treated more seriosuly by the devs. Now that is what i call faith.

[Kostas2112]

I understand all what you are saying.

But for me it is very simple in the end. People have played since the start and for me they are more faithful. If those super faithfull players that have played for 3 years but spent some money on the game, could have showed their faith by starting to playing from the start. It is simple really.

And also for some of you, the amount of money that one spends o the game shows their faith (the more the more faithful). For me it just shows that they can afford to play the game the way they want.

I have a different perspective on this.

Btw i did have breaks but always come back in the end, even if there is 0 signs that the game will get treated more seriosuly by the devs. Now that is what i call faith.

I could agree with you, if only the players with a more or less continous apearance in the game for 10 years would take the gift. That proves some 'faith' for sure, but thats not the case.

Even players that started from day one, played for a couple of years and then quited, will get the same rewards as you (if we assume that they will log on again now). Thus meaning, if we follow your logic, that you have the same 'faith' for the game with them. Sorry but i dont agree with that... Its your continous support to the game that shows 'faith' not your account creation day.

[Anglion]

I could agree with you, if only the players with a more or less continous apearance in the game for 10 years would take the gift. That proves some 'faith' for sure, but thats not the case.

Even players that started from day one, played for a couple of years and then quited, will get the same rewards as you (if we assume that they will log on again now). Thus meaning, if we follow your logic, that you have the same 'faith' for the game with them. Sorry but i dont agree with that... Its your continous support to the game that shows 'faith' not your account creation day.

I'm sorry but i don't usually post explanations of most obvious things because well...they are obvious. By those most faithful i of course mean those that played throughout those 10 years (i myself had breaks but i basically always had VIP account no i'm not a lifer).

Never thought i have to explain this tbh.

[Laerien]

This whole thing just feels really awkward. Demanding more gifts.

And... I hope SSG realizes that the people doing this do not represent the community. But I'm afraid this is not the case. Time and again, when there is a very strong voice in the forum, Turbine/SSG are known to always give in to it. This happened with FA symbol drop rates, mob spawn rates on landscape multiple times, class modifications (guard, hunter), most recently with rep farms. If they add something new to the box now, because of this thread, that would be the most extreme case in the line of these mistakes yet. I mean, seriously, what percent of the player base even visits to this forum? 0.4%? What percent of them feel strongly enough to actually comment? 0.03%? So why would you make decisions that affect the entire player base based on these minority voices? Why would you even take these people seriously when they do things like throwing a tantrum over free gifts in the manner of entitled brats? The strongest voices who got the guard destroyed are not even here any more. Not a single one of them. I know because I fought them back in the day. That's how much they cared about the game. Like I said, this is very awkward. On both sides.

It would be really sad, indeed. There are several attempts from some forum users to convert devs into puppets, literally telling them what they have to do with certain classes (guard, beorning, etc.).
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What is really a shame is a thread like this on a 10th anniversary. These "loyal fans" are doing their best to ruin the anniversary for everyone who visit the forums. From the OP tone I know is attention seeker (remember the thread trolling Landroval?) so it does not surprise me at all who lit this fuse.

It's fine providing feedback, "I was expecting something more", but all this fuss?

[siipperi]

It would be really sad, indeed. There are several attempts from some forum users to convert devs into puppets, literally telling them what they have to do with certain classes (guard, beorning, etc.).

It's good that there are people keeping devs in check instead of army of muppets who have no idea what red skills in skill bar does.

[Catburg]

People who played for 10 years are more faithful than people who played lessthan that. How complicated this is for you? Looking at your posts, it seems to me that you are here for less than 10 years and i have a feeling that this is the only reason why you try so hard to make everyine think that those who played for 10 years are not morefaithful. Yes they are. Nobody stopped anyone from starting the game back in April 2007.

I myself started playing April 2007 and i consider myself more faithful than you, especially with all the #### changes that started with Enedwaith update. That takes lots of faith.

And when it comes to OP: yes, the 10 years rewards box, if nothing changes is a slap in the face to those most faitfhul 10 years players.

So what does this mean? Every year the latest gift box has to be bigger and better than the last so that the people who have been here longer always get a better gift than those who haven't been here quite as long? I don't know about you but some years I get a flash birthday present and others I get a more modest one and so what? For most people in the game they will get their 10 year box after the 10th anniversary of Lotro therefore in my eyes the biggest part of Lotro's 10 years should be a celebration for everyone who is around NOW to take place in the party.

[sentinel1]

People who played for 10 years are more faithful than people who played lessthan that. How complicated this is for you? Looking at your posts, it seems to me that you are here for less than 10 years and i have a feeling that this is the only reason why you try so hard to make everyine think that those who played for 10 years are not morefaithful. Yes they are. Nobody stopped anyone from starting the game back in April 2007.

I myself started playing April 2007 and i consider myself more faithful than you, especially with all the #### changes that started with Enedwaith update. That takes lots of faith.

And when it comes to OP: yes, the 10 years rewards box, if nothing changes is a slap in the face to those most faitfhul 10 years players.

Unbelievable. You are sad.

I myself started playing April 2007 and i consider myself more faithful than you...

Stay classy bro.

[Joetzim]

People who played for 10 years are more faithful than people who played lessthan that. How complicated this is for you? Looking at your posts, it seems to me that you are here for less than 10 years and i have a feeling that this is the only reason why you try so hard to make everyine think that those who played for 10 years are not morefaithful. Yes they are. Nobody stopped anyone from starting the game back in April 2007.

I myself started playing April 2007 and i consider myself more faithful than you, especially with all the #### changes that started with Enedwaith update. That takes lots of faith.

And when it comes to OP: yes, the 10 years rewards box, if nothing changes is a slap in the face to those most faitfhul 10 years players.

Your view is not very life-like. People don't play games out of loyalty. They play games they enjoy. Luckily!

I also think a lot of people stick to games they are familiar with, because they are uncomfortable with change. Never out of a sense of loyalty. There is no reason to be loyal to a game you just "kinda like" or you don't even like.

[Bel-Astarte]

People who played for 10 years are more faithful than people who played lessthan that.

I'm sorry you are disappointed in advance with anniversary gifts, but this is just getting more ridiculous and petulant as it goes on.

You have been able to enjoy this game for 10 years-and thanks to the initiative shown by the dev team when Turbine/WB no longer felt it was an asset-WE were an asset-worth investing in, SSG found a way to continue developing the game.

The best POSSIBLE gift-even with the continuing issues every single MMO faces in continuing to run.

I've only been here since F2P started, though I'm a subscriber ever since a few months in. Since I'm paying and I don't have to-does that make me MORE or LESS faithful than a 10 year lifer? How exactly does this petty calculus get formulated in your mind?

They made a decision to concentrate on creating new content, including rewards, for this anniversary, and that we can all enjoy.

You are all complaining about being disregarded and abused and you haven't actually seen anything but a list of items.

And yes, leaving the game is an option if you feel so slighted-though I certainly hope that upon reflection you will decide playing with friends in Middle Earth delivered even imperfectly is itself sufficient reward to stay.

[bucko39]

Btw i did have breaks but always come back in the end, even if there is 0 signs that the game will get treated more seriosuly by the devs. Now that is what i call faith.

No, that is called addiction.

What is really a shame is a thread like this on a 10th anniversary. These "loyal fans" are doing their best to ruin the anniversary for everyone who visit the forums. From the OP tone I know is attention seeker (remember the thread trolling Landroval?) so it does not surprise me at all who lit this fuse.

For starters, Kickman is the OP of this thread and if you are referring to him, you couldn't be more off-base.
Second, no one is ruining anything for anyone. If you are so fragile that a single thread on a particular subject on an open community forum ruins a particular event for you (that hasn't even happened yet), might I suggest you spend less time on the forums and more time in-game? For you own mental health, of course

Cheers!

[Gandalphor]

Saying they decided to add some content is just plain stupid. This does not add value or show appreciation to the people who are there for 10 years.
This content will not be gated by portrait picture, it will be there for people who are there for 10 days.

[Bel-Astarte]

Saying they decided to add some content is just plain stupid. This does not add value or show appreciation to the people who are there for 10 years.
This content will not be gated by portrait picture, it will be there for people who are there for 10 days.

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I get it. You want to feel MORE special than every other player who didn't start their account 10 years ago.

If content is added that all players can enjoy-does that sour your enjoyment of the same content?

[Joetzim]

No, that is called addiction.



For starters, Kickman is the OP of this thread and if you are referring to him, you couldn't be more off-base.
Second, no one is ruining anything for anyone. If you are so fragile that a single thread on a particular subject on an open community forum ruins a particular event for you (that hasn't even happened yet), might I suggest you spend less time on the forums and more time in-game? For you own mental health, of course

Cheers!

Whilest it doesn't ruin the event for me, it does affect my experience, because I am also a crybaby and the author of many critical posts. This is like a mirror to me, because I know I could possibly be the person whining about "insufficient gifts" on one of my worst days and I don't like what I see. Sooo... I'm trying to get people who do this to see themselves from the outside. It's really hard. Sometimes, you are so deeply absorbed in your own darkness, you literally need a real mirror to notice what you are doing.

[riedlj]

I'm a ten year player and i think this years gift is #### and last years was also pretty lame. I liked the mounts we got in past years and the cosmetic items as well. Objectively speaking cosmetic items and mounts > firework.

[riedlj]

Just to clarify the forum edited out the word C R A P.

[Anglion]

Not sure why some people try to change my view on the matter or even call me names in this regard (this will not work for sure, no matter what you write about me).

It will not change and especially will not change because of posts on LOTRO forums.

Let's better stick to the OP in this case, which is correct because the 10 years gift box is very unimpressive to say the least.

[LabadalofDorlomin]

This thread is going all over the place and in disparate directions.

The fact is you have some folks saying that a join date makes them more worthy of x,y,z... (look half a dozen posts up or so)

But how can you measure worthiness?

Is my friend more worthy than me because he is a founder but hasn't played in 5 years?

Is a lifer who has played for 8 years more worthy than some one who has paid a VIP sub for 8 years?

Is a F2p player who has played for 5 years more worthy than a player who has payed a sub for 2 years?

The anniversary gifts have always been a nice gesture and if you view them in that sense then anything is good.
If you view it from entitlement or your apparent view thereof, then you get what we have in most of these posts.

[Snowlock]

When developing for our 10th anniversary, we made a decision to focus on both items and content. What this means is that the 10th anniversary has far more playable content associated with it than any other anniversary we've had. We also have more than thirty items available in the scavenger hunt. We appreciate the feedback on the gift boxes themselves, though. I would caution that I'd wait until you see the fireworks before passing judgement, though, as they are pretty sweet.

I don't normally weigh in on fluff. For me the people that like it good for them. The people like me that don't (I can't recall ever firing a firework in lotro), whatevs. But this is a 10 year anniversary and the 10 year players deserved way more than this (and a VERY lackluster portrait frame) for 10 years of loyalty in an industry that doesn't foster it, with a game and company that objectively, probably didn't deserve it for a good chunk of it's middle years. At minimum, there should be a hefty deposit of mithril coins for our loyalty. And you guys really need to take a class or seminar or something on customer appreciation and service.

[Gandalphor]

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I get it. You want to feel MORE special than every other player who didn't start their account 10 years ago.

If content is added that all players can enjoy-does that sour your enjoyment of the same content?

Your pointing fingers at players because SSG is ####ing failing to appreciate their players is hillarious. And you also failed to point the finger at a right person, since this year I will get my 6 year portrait. This doesn't prevent me to say that SSG has shown in the last month what the value of players is - 0. The lag, the tailor and cook crafting, the rep drop, bad copy/paste, no communication etc... So I'm not surprised by the anniversary at all, which doesn't say I still can't advocate for something better.

[Sito_Origami]

Wow, sure are lots of self-entitled people on this forum. True the reward isn't mind-blowing but on the other hand you haven't really *done* anything to warrant a reward. Merely having your account exist doesn't inherently make you deserving of anything.

To be honest this is saying more about you guys than it is about SSG.

Have to agree with this. If they are spending their time crafting exciting content instead of drawing up YET ANOTHER MOUNT, I'm all for it. Too many mounts as it is. I quested my brains out in order to get the Eriador mount. That took lots of in-game effort. A 10 year mount would never be used by me.

[Sito_Origami]

I don't normally weigh in on fluff. For me the people that like it good for them. The people like me that don't (I can't recall ever firing a firework in lotro), whatevs. But this is a 10 year anniversary and the 10 year players deserved way more than this (and a VERY lackluster portrait frame) for 10 years of loyalty in an industry that doesn't foster it, with a game and company that objectively, probably didn't deserve it for a good chunk of it's middle years. At minimum, there should be a hefty deposit of mithril coins for our loyalty. And you guys really need to take a class or seminar or something on customer appreciation and service.

You spelled "Snowflake" incorrectly in your forum profile.

[Gandalphor]

Have to agree with this. If they are spending their time crafting exciting content instead of drawing up YET ANOTHER MOUNT, I'm all for it. Too many mounts as it is. I quested my brains out in order to get the Eriador mount. That took lots of in-game effort. A 10 year mount would never be used by me.

I like me steed of eriador for the same reason, I got it the slow way and not the skirm camp way. And I am still using it. But I have more than one toons and I didn't bother to get World Renown on all. Guard has Rohan cosmetics and mount. Some use the VIP mount, some the new rep mount... It's nice to have a choice.
And I would agree with you if the time on "creating content" wasn't spent on something that will be there for a few days and be gone and High Elves race only ####.