Quality Over Quantity

[Seschat]

We wouldn't just delete them, but I wouldn't mind an alternate means of telling their stories if there was player interest in that.

MoL

Add my voice to the affirmative throng. As with mounted combat, I am not a fan of content where I suddenly have to play my character as something else.

[Oldwiley]

The authorial reason is probably the least-convincing argument against this, even if it's the one I personally care about: I wrote the story chronologically for a reason and I don't want you skipping parts of it.
MoL

Thats reason enough for the core story - Still not forgiven you for poking a stick in the nameless places that hadn't stirred since before the dawn of time so much that even Sauron knew them not, just cause we were passing through, all for some gratuitous Alien reference; but hey I respect your right to keep continuity in the story ^.^

[LabadalofDorlomin]

We wouldn't just delete them, but I wouldn't mind an alternate means of telling their stories if there was player interest in that.

MoL

If this takes away from new progression then NO. But if you can fit it in on your lunch breaks then go ahead... feel free to rectify your mistakes. Maybe sort the bloated LI system out too and that awful abomination which is the rope over the wall in Caras Galadhon !

Imagine the weight of Tolkiens heavy heart on you when you try and convince us that his beloved far seeing elves would have been duped by such crude means in the very heart of their inner sanctum. When all you needed was a familiar npc from earlier in the epic who could stand in a similar place and would vouch for your conduct until your rep was high enough to be no longer needed.

[sapienze]

that awful abomination which is the rope over the wall in Caras Galadhon !

Imagine the weight of Tolkiens heavy heart on you when you try and convince us that his beloved far seeing elves would have been duped by such crude means in the very heart of their inner sanctum. When all you needed was a familiar npc from earlier in the epic who could stand in a similar place and would vouch for your conduct until your rep was high enough to be no longer needed.

The rope is fine for its purpose.

Though I wouldn't mind it being the way it originally was where you needed rep to pass the sentry on guard. Laughing when someone playing a High Elf gets one shotted by a mere Elf guarding their post.

But... You'd rather have the Ice Cream man, who is a disguised ambassador for Galadriel standing outside the most secret stronghold of the Free Peoples in all of Middle earth.

I guess hearing the Ice Cream truck jingle would be great cover. I mean really who could ever guess?

[Aleziana]

Their Boss is actualy an old guy who can not think out of his "box" and even if the devs have some good ideas their boss will probably reject them.This is happens because the most of the companies are working with statistics. They actually see numbers and follow them by working the less they can. Devs may not paid well and since for them is a typical 8 hour job they may bored like hell so they do not have any motivation to give any kind of love for this game.Due the fact that boss of SSG is following blindly numbers and statistics (cause he is an old guy with zero imagination, greedy and egocentric) his employees work like him so they give their minimal effort like the most who hate their job.

There are some simple statistic that they can not take serious because they do not come from an graduated of some random super duper economical university. For example i would had a lot of friends (real life friends) who are in love with the lotr lore and would actually pay to play this game but every time i come across with those friends they tell me: "Hey i don't mind that it does not look like the movies i just want to see something worthy of the movies" " show me Minas Tirirth.... show me Gondor show me Erebor and all that places and what kind of content are in it? i guess something very impressive.." and what should i show them??? tell me??? Minas Tirith?? that is a huge mess? a garbage of throwing whatever we find in game into 1 place Big battles maybe??. What? Erebor? Yes i know i try to show them the best parts of the game (which are few)but they are not belong to the end game...The places where people are most interest to see are those came from the movies for example Gondor and now Erebor it is obvious and they are the most ugly places in game with the worst content. The game fails to gain interest of over 10 friends of mine to play this game and imagine how many other lotro players who have their friends lost interest the same way.The game could totally multiply its players with zero marketing by 500% and more just by its player community if it had QUALITY.

SSG FAILS to understand that it is not the graphics that makes a game liked by people. IT IS THE GAME PLAY . Do you understand what GAME PLAY means? INTERACTION between PLAYER and game ENVIRONMENT it is what make people want to stay and play for hours and hours this game. SSG You are holding one of the most successful and beloved medieval fantasy world in your hands and you treated it like it is..... *censored* .

[OldMadeOfLions]

Still not forgiven you for poking a stick in the nameless places that hadn't stirred since before the dawn of time... all for some gratuitous Alien reference...

I love Alien, but that's not why we went below Moria. At any rate I didn't design the creatures down there.

Imagine the weight of Tolkien's heavy heart on you when you try and convince us that his beloved far seeing elves would have been duped by such crude means...

This is another good reason to not allow you to pick up chapters of the Epic Story out of order! The Rope solely exists in order to let players skip over previous chapters in order to play the Rohan expansion when they bought it. The Rope is super-Intentionally-gamey on purpose. I've never liked it, but I was told we needed a clicky, and any means of allowing access beyond the lore-acceptable process of gaining rep went against the mission of letting players quickly get to the thing they bought. Any self-respecting LotR fan should get inside Caras Galadhon the right way; I always do.

Devs may not paid well and since for them is a typical 8 hour job they may bored like hell so they do not have any motivation to give any kind of love for this game.... Do you understand what GAME PLAY means?... SSG You are holding one of the most successful and beloved medieval fantasy world in your hands and you treated it like it is

This is my dream job, I love it, and I've given it my blood and sweat and tears for thirteen years; not only that, there are lots of folk like me here on LOTRO. As a result, I've gotten quite good at weathering criticism, so I'll wave cheerfully at you and wish you well. I'm sure you can find a game you'll enjoy out there.

MoL

[Vanyaerunanethiel]

I love Alien, but that's not why we went below Moria. At any rate I didn't design the creatures down there.



This is another good reason to not allow you to pick up chapters of the Epic Story out of order! The Rope solely exists in order to let players skip over previous chapters in order to play the Rohan expansion when they bought it. The Rope is super-Intentionally-gamey on purpose. I've never liked it, but I was told we needed a clicky, and any means of allowing access beyond the lore-acceptable process of gaining rep went against the mission of letting players quickly get to the thing they bought. Any self-respecting LotR fan should get inside Caras Galadhon the right way; I always do.



This is my dream job, I love it, and I've given it my blood and sweat and tears for thirteen years; not only that, there are lots of folk like me here on LOTRO. As a result, I've gotten quite good at weathering criticism, so I'll wave cheerfully at you and wish you well. I'm sure you can find a game you'll enjoy out there.

MoL

@MadeofLions I love thy honesty and your response was impeccably flawless. To resolve any problems or flaming/negative commentes in peaceful and intelligent manner. I've seen thee during Anniversary Live Event. One can feel your burning passion for the game even thousands of miles across the Ocean. Thou art the invaluable asset for the company. I am certain we can expect wondrous creations from you in the near future. It makes me sorrowful for certain individuals not be able to comprehend,respect and value the immense work you and every single member of LOTRO team has done and they still doing.Indeed everything in the power humanly and Elvishly possible ever since the very first day. I am the constant witness of negativity and flaming,But today you shall receive the Ultimate positivity,Thanks kindly and I am not kidding I believe thee, The true passion and love for the game or cannot be faked. I am fan of you and +Diplodocus Tell her to send me a new Baguette! .D

Sincerely,

Vanyalanthriel

[Skyfoot]

This is my dream job, I love it, and I've given it my blood and sweat and tears for thirteen years; not only that, there are lots of folk like me here on LOTRO. As a result, I've gotten quite good at weathering criticism, so I'll wave cheerfully at you and wish you well. I'm sure you can find a game you'll enjoy out there. MoL

MoL, I'm a fan and always have been, but...actually there is no "but" to that. I'll let that statement stand as it is.

Now, convince the powers-that-be to get rid of loot-boxes. You always took me as a man of integrity, I can't see you agreeing to their inclusion in this game.

[OldMadeOfLions]

Now, convince the powers-that-be to get rid of loot-boxes... I can't see you agreeing to their inclusion in this game.

I don't mind there being cosmetics in the lootboxes at all. I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance) and it seems fine to me, especially since there are lots of ways in LOTRO to earn the keys you need to open them. As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it. Where I start to get upset is if the best stuff comes from lootboxes and not from dungeons, where it belongs, but people I trust have told me that's not the plan. I think it's a good rule to keep in mind: if you want the BEST stuff, you should be playing the most difficult content. Even if you're grinding out repeatables to open up your lootboxes (and therefore have more patience than I usually do), I think it's a good rule to keep the BEST stuff out of the boxes. Play the dungeons for those.

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

MoL

[Fraushgrish2]

I don't mind there being cosmetics in the lootboxes at all. I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance) and it seems fine to me, especially since there are lots of ways in LOTRO to earn the keys you need to open them. As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it. Where I start to get upset is if the best stuff comes from lootboxes and not from dungeons, where it belongs, but people I trust have told me that's not the plan. I think it's a good rule to keep in mind: if you want the BEST stuff, you should be playing the most difficult content. Even if you're grinding out repeatables to open up your lootboxes (and therefore have more patience than I usually do), I think it's a good rule to keep the BEST stuff out of the boxes. Play the dungeons for those.

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

MoL

Tho this is true, the big problem is that you can use ash to barter for the best gear that drops from instances, and you can get ash via lootboxes. This is what i have the most problem with, also the fact that there are locks on instance is incredibly annoying, for example in overwatch as you stated (im curios if you play this game what SR are you? ) you get a lootbox every time you level up, there's no cap on how many matches you can do or how many levels you can go up everyday its just frustrating ive written the probable best solution right here ----> https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthr...k-Thread/page2 (the fourth comment)


I know that vastin said this was to avoid players farming the content for 48 hours and be done with it but he used the most over the top example imaginable, no one straight up farm an instance for 48 everyone does it for maybe at best 3-4 hours (depending on the difficulties of the instance which btw rn the instances are a joke)

Edit: and btw if the content is good and give great rewarads we'll never stop running it, people still love to run silent street and dome of stars not because they want loot but because they love the instances

[Kaldo]

Speaking about quantity: We need more Gandalfs!

[Skyfoot]

As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it. MoL

I appreciate your genuine feedback, but this statement stuck out to me. If SSG creates the playing field and the grind wheel in which we all play, your statement indicates that content is intentionally being designed to feed the loot-box system. We saw this on full display all through Mordor, and it shows no sign of stopping.

Also, it doesn't matter if there are a limited amount of chances to acquire a key in-game, if the loot-boxes are dropping at a much higher rate (the psychology behind that is dubious at best). It just doesn't seem right that after 11 years SSG would resort to this type of monetization. Just my two cents. Thanks.

[Fraushgrish2]

Speaking about quantity: We need more Gandalfs!

not exactly a bug but simply you doing a quest from the hobbit allegiance while gandalf is waiting for you to start the man allegiance quests

[B749]

I don't mind there being cosmetics in the lootboxes at all. I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance) and it seems fine to me, especially since there are lots of ways in LOTRO to earn the keys you need to open them. As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it. Where I start to get upset is if the best stuff comes from lootboxes and not from dungeons, where it belongs, but people I trust have told me that's not the plan. I think it's a good rule to keep in mind: if you want the BEST stuff, you should be playing the most difficult content. Even if you're grinding out repeatables to open up your lootboxes (and therefore have more patience than I usually do), I think it's a good rule to keep the BEST stuff out of the boxes. Play the dungeons for those.

It all sounds fine when you word it like that and technically speaking it's true that BIS items do not drop from the lootboxes directly. However, the reason so many players are upset about the whole system is because the boxes offer a FAR more efficient way to barter the BiS gear (which is all available for Ashes). A raid drop disenchants for up to 500 Ash (Abyss t2 armour piece), while a single lootbox can drop up to 1,200 Ash (so over twice as efficient as beating a raid boss towards gearing goals) AND usually drops another piece of disenchantable gear (total: up to 1,260-1,320 Ash from a box if I'm not mistaken on the 337 gear disenchantment prices). That's why people are mad; not because boxes exist and throw some mid quality gear at people who open them, not because there is a store option to open up more of them and gear up to a mid-quality gear standard if you don't have time to go through grinds (though, of course you could also remedy that by making grinds more reasonable than they've been of late), but because the dev team is basically saying "Look, the quickest way you can earn your raid loot is by beating the raid once, then buying a bunch of keys and getting piles of Ashes from boxes."

The people in charge of the game are either not willing to admit that fact, or they don't play the endgame themselves and are unaware of this ingame reality. Either way it's not a healthy state for the endgame to be in.

Besides, if you look at current endgame, the BiS earrings and bracelets (lvl345 teal) come from Lootboxes and Ash only now that Thrang has shut down. One lvl345 teal jewel of your choosing is awarded from the final quest of The Lay of Rust and Rime, but no more than that. Side effect of Thrang being a seasonal instance? Fair enough, but that doesn't take away the fact this now lootbox exclusive jewellery is a whopping 15 item levels stronger than t2 instance loot, and 8 item levels stronger than t2 raid loot.

Also -- let me point out that actually all gear drops from lootboxes are currently stronger than what you get from t2c Seregost or Naerband. So while neither of these item tiers are BiS, lootboxes offer stronger rewards than t2 endgame instance content. That's a cold hard fact you can't deny. Unless you don't consider Mordor instance(s) to be relevant endgame, in which case your group endgame consists of literally one raid and nothing else. Food for thought? Hope that makes it a little clearer why the torches and pitchforks are out now that more of this stuff has shown up on beta. Not the core design, but the implementation is terribly flawed.

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

MoL

Though, the Black Book in the U22 area did award a lvl340 teal chestpiece (and, iirc, at a later point Leggings as well) which are 10 item levels stronger than t2(c) instance loot.

Back to a positive note though. No luring needed as long as you go easy on my poor Hobbit's feet -- he doesn't enjoy running up and down Minas Tirith a bunch of times, he'd rather sit in one of the taverns and grab a bite to eat with a whole half Pint of nice Gondorian brew!

Keep up the good work on the Epic Story, it's the part of a new update I usually look forward to the most (unless there's a new raid without lootbox shenanigans coming out!).

- Earbold

[elzeqq]

I don't mind there being cosmetics in the lootboxes at all. I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance) and it seems fine to me, especially since there are lots of ways in LOTRO to earn the keys you need to open them. As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it. Where I start to get upset is if the best stuff comes from lootboxes and not from dungeons, where it belongs, but people I trust have told me that's not the plan. I think it's a good rule to keep in mind: if you want the BEST stuff, you should be playing the most difficult content. Even if you're grinding out repeatables to open up your lootboxes (and therefore have more patience than I usually do), I think it's a good rule to keep the BEST stuff out of the boxes. Play the dungeons for those.

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

MoL

Thats nice to hear, but everything you are saying here, watching SSG is exactly the opposity, BiS gear in lootboxes, locks on 3man/6man instances which we never had before (unless we are talking about carndum again)
Pay to win morale/power potions, you know. It's all nice what you wrote here but none of this is really happening.

Unless locks get lifted from dungeons and BiS gear becomes an actual unique loot table, because mordor/dale/U23 items are not unique whatsoever, i'm talking about special kind of items, golden items from dungeons etc, it will be very biased towards pay to win in my opinion and many others and won't continue to support the game.

[gildhur]

But locking parts of epic behind BBs is just wrong. Very same battles could be served in quest instance form, same as Pelennor or Black Gate. Talk to MPC here, defeat some mobs there, things like that.

"Talk to NPC here, defeat some mobs there" is exactly what BBs are. No additional mechanics are required, especially in solo versions. In one or two cases, you don't even have to defeat any mobs; the soldiers do it for you.

[Arveedui]

I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance)

Let‘s take any negativity aside that might come up with this question, but do you actually play lotro?
Or is it just something you don‘t want any kind of interaction with after work?

I adore the work you have done for lotro, but it‘s essential that the ones in charge actually play their game to really understand what is going on. Hearing is just not enough. To truly improve things you have to understand.
And I think many players don‘t really get that feeling from the developer team.

[OldMadeOfLions]

but do you actually play lotro?

I do! I have a Guardian and Champion at the top, and various other classes hanging around at previous level caps. My Beorning is dear to my heart but is on hiatus until she gets her revamp. This year I've been having a good time bringing up a Nature's Fury Lore-master, but I'm not confident enough to use her for our internal playdays; for those I stick to Guardian.

Once my Lore-master is caught up I think Warden might be next.

MoL

[Fraushgrish2]

I do! I have a Guardian and Champion at the top, and various other classes hanging around at previous level caps. My Beorning is dear to my heart but is on hiatus until she gets her revamp. This year I've been having a good time bringing up a Nature's Fury Lore-master, but I'm not confident enough to use her for our internal playdays; for those I stick to Guardian.

Once my Lore-master is caught up I think Warden might be next.

MoL

Pm me and me and my kin can work on getting you into one of our raids so we can show you the instance content in the game! (even if you have 0 gear we can carry with 11)

[Decrepify]

I do! I have a Guardian and Champion at the top, and various other classes hanging around at previous level caps. My Beorning is dear to my heart but is on hiatus until she gets her revamp. This year I've been having a good time bringing up a Nature's Fury Lore-master, but I'm not confident enough to use her for our internal playdays; for those I stick to Guardian.

Once my Lore-master is caught up I think Warden might be next.

MoL

Glad to have a dev playing a Guardian!

Can you pass along a note to Vastin to make a tooltip for Terrible Wound visible on Overwhelm, please?
There is no way of knowing how much damage it deals without actually applying it, it would save people like me a bunch of headache when making builds, gearing or comparing damage mumbers to other bleeds with different gear/builds

[groucho42]

Ultimately, with as small a team as SSG undoubtedly has, the time required to produce the higher quality (even if that just means going back to update older content, or stabilize the inner workings of the game) would likely be much longer than is sustainable without losing heaps of its playerbase due to boredom. The alternative is to do a lot of patching (figuratively, as in bandaids on wounds) while trying to push out more content. Some sort of theoretically "happy" medium between quality and quantity. The "best of both worlds", if you will. If they had a Blizzard-esque team, I'm sure it would be a very different story.

The problem is that the SSG team is the same one that messed it up when owned by Turbine so, sadly, I don't see anything changing. They don't have a "Blizzard-esque team" because of choices they made that lost so many players.

[Velkeirien]

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

Trait points and gear are transient pixel fluff. I came for the story! (and the characters, and the lore, and the world exploration: the experiences that you can keep for a lifetime, rather than just till the next update.)

This year I've been having a good time bringing up a Nature's Fury Lore-master, but I'm not confident enough to use her for our internal playdays; for those I stick to Guardian.

That's what I play at level cap. It's a lot of fun!

[Kasius]

I don't mind there being cosmetics in the lootboxes at all. I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance) and it seems fine to me, especially since there are lots of ways in LOTRO to earn the keys you need to open them. As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it. Where I start to get upset is if the best stuff comes from lootboxes and not from dungeons, where it belongs, but people I trust have told me that's not the plan. I think it's a good rule to keep in mind: if you want the BEST stuff, you should be playing the most difficult content. Even if you're grinding out repeatables to open up your lootboxes (and therefore have more patience than I usually do), I think it's a good rule to keep the BEST stuff out of the boxes. Play the dungeons for those.

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

MoL

If everyone in the SSG team would act like you write it here we wouldnt have any problems at all......

[BotLike]

I don't mind there being cosmetics in the lootboxes at all. I play lots of games that do this (like Overwatch, for instance) and it seems fine to me, especially since there are lots of ways in LOTRO to earn the keys you need to open them.

Me neither , although i'd prefare if lootbox vanished from the market entirely , like it was a few years ago.
But i am fine with playing and enjoying any game that has them for cosmetic only purposes.

As for gear, I recognize that there are players with more money than time who want to be able to play, and the gear helps them find a happy medium that lets them enjoy it.

You always got enough gear to enjoy Lotro through questing , crafting and reputation vendors , limited time or not.
Gearing through lootboxes is simply a 'milking' concept.

Where I start to get upset is if the best stuff comes from lootboxes and not from dungeons, where it belongs, but people I trust have told me that's not the plan. I think it's a good rule to keep in mind: if you want the BEST stuff, you should be playing the most difficult content. Even if you're grinding out repeatables to open up your lootboxes (and therefore have more patience than I usually do), I think it's a good rule to keep the BEST stuff out of the boxes. Play the dungeons for those.

Well throughout Mordor that was never the case so those people you trust are either unaware of how wrong they did it or they simply lie.
Lootbox gear was always the same as the best gear , it was updated multiple times past year to always keep up with newest content loot.
That was obvious when the first instances launched , and the gear was instantly included in ash barterer and gorgoroth lootbox loot table...
So no , it was not only 'play the dungeons for those' , neither they belonged there in this case : )

Keep in mind lootboxes was by far the best way to get ash throughout Mordor and apart from the rare and random gear rewards through opening a lootbox , the ash you always got could be used to easily barter the best gear in the game , including raid gear as long as you did the raid just ONCE in ONE character , for t2 at least , t1 had no limitations....
Before the raid , you could get the best gear in 5 minutes or so , by opening lootboxes and visiting the barterer.
That was also the case for essences , relics and jewels...

That means that no one's ever going to get the best stuff from playing the Black Book, but I'm okay with that. I lure you in with Trait Points, but hopefully you stay for the story.

MoL

Yes , trait points are a great incentive for doing the books : D
Perhaps you should consider reducing the default trait points awarded by levelling so that you include those trait points more often in the future.
Problem currently is , we've got too many of them , not long before being able to reach the trait capstones on 2 different trees on a single build -_-
This breaks balance significantly.

Also , adding those book trait points on a Valar version later on , should keep the people that want to skip doing the books multiple times happy , while getting some fat $$ ; )

[LabadalofDorlomin]

This is another good reason to not allow you to pick up chapters of the Epic Story out of order! The Rope solely exists in order to let players skip over previous chapters in order to play the Rohan expansion when they bought it. The Rope is super-Intentionally-gamey on purpose. I've never liked it, but I was told we needed a clicky, and any means of allowing access beyond the lore-acceptable process of gaining rep went against the mission of letting players quickly get to the thing they bought. Any self-respecting LotR fan should get inside Caras Galadhon the right way; I always do.

I do kind of like the new refreshing candidness that seems to purvey in blue posts recently. I remember when we have had this discussion way in the past and managed to draw you out on this rope subject...... you defended it to the hilt. Which makes me think that you were having to toe the party line and no matter your personal preference, you could not give it in public debate.
I also prefer it when approaching Lothlorien from Nanduhirion - you would be one shot by the hidden sentries. And it was like a right of passage taking a friend through who hadn't been before and when collecting the last item from the repeatable quest, watching eagerly as they couldn't resist heading to the arch iirc and boom - down they go
The rep was very easy to get even without the artificial accelerators we have today. But, I'm also guessing that if you don't own the region then you can't do the rep quests? All my accounts are VIP so I can't be sure. Maybe make those quests open to all? Make them repeatable with no timer and ditch the rope. Maybe make the Dimril Dale and Lothlorien free to all? I can't imagine too many folks buy that region?

So, for the new found freedom of speech I don't know who to thank? Silorien?

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Devs may not paid well and since for them is a typical 8 hour job they may bored like hell so they do not have any motivation to give any kind of love for this game.... Do you understand what GAME PLAY means?... SSG You are holding one of the most successful and beloved medieval fantasy world in your hands and you treated it like it is

This is my dream job, I love it, and I've given it my blood and sweat and tears for thirteen years; not only that, there are lots of folk like me here on LOTRO. As a result, I've gotten quite good at weathering criticism, so I'll wave cheerfully at you and wish you well. I'm sure you can find a game you'll enjoy out there.

MoL

Most of us know the hard work and effort most if not all of you folks put into this game. Very unfair to be labelled a 9-5 clock watcher as anyone who has been around long enough would know.
Not blowing smoke up your a$$ .... well unless the ropes demise is brought to pass. It should go on display by Celeborn with whomever head attached that passed the idea into existence. Create the Flet of far sightedness and dangle it from.

Peace